Linke Rheinstrecke: Mainz-koblenz

looks like an interesting DLC, but it has be executed well given the prototype route is well known and well documented in photos and videos

quality of landscape and scenery will be important, also on the other bank, since a river is well, a river, and hardly a visual barrier

and will we see ocean freighters on the river Rhine again?

BR103 on passenger expresses?
BR110 on stopping services?
Wasn't this mostly BR140 in light and fast freight service, with BR150/151 taking the heavier freight trains along the right bank line (which 99,99% certain will be ignored?

we'll see what DTG makes of this route in TSW3, given the mistakes made TSC's

 

Maybe the reason why they are avoiding screenshots of the Avmz/Bvmz coaches could be they will come with fold-in doors? The animation is in the game now, since the n-Wagen..

 

Here's a coincidence for you: I took that picture.

 

I expect they'll be the modern ones with plug doors. Matt said on the stream that they're still WIP - they'[l need to change the seats inside.

 

The 110, I’d imagine. As stated before, not totally unreasonable although 110s pulling freight en masse will certainly look out of place. In an ideal world, I’d have wanted a 140 or 150 for freight (a 151 can easily come with a modern route, I’d rather see older locos here) but I’ll take what I can get.

True. Maybe we’re lucky and an IR/Br 120 loco DLC will come.

 

I feel like the route is begging for an expansion pack with the IR coaches, a freight loco and some more wagons, and perhaps the BR 120. After that you'd also have a great base for future 80's and '90s German routes, making it another argument for new German vintage routes if this one sells well (which I think it will). It will be nice to build up a collection of older German locos and coaches to use on perhaps a future Saalebahn of Main-Weser bahn in that era, as both were very busy and interesting at that time and could make great use of layers from this one .

 

Spot on and if you want to do the 1980s the base route fits which is Kassel Würzburg. because the Fulda Würzburg opened in 1988 featuring DB Baureihe 120 ICE V as your locomotives.
Burgsinn 1988


Owners of 1988 Fulda Würzburg get to use DB Baureihe 120 on Linke Rheinstrecke Main Weser Bahn combined with Niddertalbahn since it shares Bad Vilbel.

 

You are correct and how does a DB Baureihe 150 151 work do you run it like a 155 or the 110.3 with the route and Bremen Oldenburg. Another locomotive that can fit the route is a Knallfrosch DB Baureihe 141. Train TV Berlin has a video of them on the route.

The 140 can also pull N-wagen too

 

I can hardly imagine that the Rhine will come along without life, i.e. without (moving) ships. He is too dominant and big for that, so that you can just show him empty. That wouldn't be TSW3 worthy either.

Along the route there are numerous details such as vineyards, turrets and jetties, I'm curious if and how they will implement it.

I am also curious to see whether the route from Koblenz Hbf to the DB Museum Lützel will be continued. Here you would have numerous possibilities for scenarios and details. You can see the museum from the main tracks. Here are a few impressions (pics from me):

Old signal box at the museum, on the left are the tracks of the main line.


View of part of the building


Operational 103 245 in the museum


Old "Bundesbahn" classics, a DLC with the 120 would be great!


The turntable is also visible from the track.


The one and only!


So please DTG, please extend the route to Koblenz Lützel.

 

It would be such a shame if the museum wasn't included. The possibilities for scenarios (be they official or custom) or future railtour services are endless. The museum is well worth a visit for anyone here unfamiliar. Their collection is astounding!

 

Those class 66's get everywhere! I hope this doesn't give DTG ideas to layer in RHTT to provide the freight workings!

 

I do feel like we need a larger variety of liveries than announced right now. Then again, if we don't get that I'll just download the logo pack again and will go off and create my own or download some from the creators club, although that never looks as good as official ones.

 

Yes I agree, for both loco's and carriages.

I imagine there could be some good DLC opportunities for this route maybe some livery packs similar to the UP ones just announced.

I would hope a realistic freight loco is top of their agenda.

 

That's also something that bothers me. The liveries in the "Creators Club" almost all look childish, cheap and "paint"-like.

The few good liveries are available on other websites and via "Livery Manager".

 

The big issue with Creators club is the limitations of the shapes and layers, and the fact that we can't choose materials, just colours. There's no way of controlling reflectiveness, nor is making the tiny writing locos have easy. It begs for improvement.

 

Yes, the editor is just useless for really good liveries. It looks more like a children's painting program.

Here are two examples of an oriental red 110 from the Creators Club:





Missing addresses, locomotive numbers written in Arial and we don't even want to talk about the DB logo. Sorry that's just ugly and I don't want to drive something like that.

In comparison, the professional repaint by DTG. The pantographs and roof structures are also correctly red here. Only the DB logo (although it looks good) is from the old Bundesbahn. In 1997, however, the DB AG logo had been around for a long time. Please change, the n-Wagen already have the new logo.

 

I disagree. If you use the unlimited layer mod and the logo mod + invest a lof time, you can actually achive very nice results. I did it by myself a lot of times, and they're doing very well.

 

There are a handful of good looking liveries, but yes overall the Livery Designer & Scenario Planner are not much more than gimmicks.

The example you’ve used is fairly good though, kudos to the creator. But overall yes stacking the custom liveries up against the official liveries will yield disappointment.

One of the good things Rivet does is their models keep the finer details in the livery designer, such as the Depot details, unit information & safety notices, which go along way to making a realistic reskin.

 

Although I would love to see the museum included...I was there last summer as well, with the Sommerfest.

The museum opened in 2001...just after the time this route is set.

 

well, as said, the museum was only opened in 2001, so after the route is set.
And even else, the museum would be empty, we have nothing to show there ...
And it is not on the line itself

 

I the museum wont almost certainly be included, its two stations along the Line in the opposite direction from Koblenz and as said wasnt even a museum back then.
But nowadays its full of 110s, 103s and n wagen

 

I think you should be a little more tolerant. The developers put so much work and effort into making Creators Club work. Of course, with the layers limited to 300 and the lack of logos, it's difficult to create a perfect 1:1 copy. It's also clear that most players want original liveries rather than fantasy creations. But in the end it is much easier to just subscribe to a livery in CC than to load a livery file from an external website and then to copy it into the appropriate directory. I think that the Livery Designer is actually quite good and so much people have fun with it.

BTW: good that DTG now relies more on varied original skins, after the need for DB red has been more than covered for German rail fans!

 

They shouldn't be. The ones included with the 101 are the types 106 Avmmz and 284 Bpmmz, both of which only entered production in 2015: completely anachronistic for the 90's. They should be Eurofima 108s, or even older x-Wagen 111s from the original TEE group. The livery could correctly be either white with orient-red window bands, or beige with purple-red lower sides; both could be seen in service during this transitional period (sometimes in the same train).

 

Not necessarily. It was only 3 years since the merger, and locomotives don't all get repainted overnight. It takes a while. I have photos timestamped 1997 that still show ocean-blue/beige locomotives, and 143s still in DR maroon, much less OR locos with the old Kekse.

 

You are wrong. We get the same coaches we got with the BR101, and it is correct. They have been built end of the 70s until end of 80s , and got heavily modernized in 2015. They are still working on the coaches to show the pre-modernized version.

 

The Avmmz 106 may have been based on the 108 which was based on the 107 which was based on the 207, but after that many overhauls it was in effect a completely different coach.

 

Nope. Avmz207 got upgrade ("Druckertüchtigung") to be able to run on the SFS. The upgraded ones were called Avmz107 to differentiate between them. Then they got PIS, and renamed Avmz108. After modernization (2015), they got called Avmmz106.
So, it is still the same coach, with same doors, same window locations etc. Not a new coach. So, it is sensible to rebuild them in the older versions.

 

Nun, wenn Sie den internen Editor (Creators Club) mögen, ist das in Ordnung. Normalerweise mag ich die meisten Lackierungen nicht, die damit erstellt werden. So ist es. Das mag natürlich an den Umständen des Herausgebers liegen, ändert aber nichts an meiner Meinung. Aber ja, natürlich finde ich es gut, dass die Möglichkeit überhaupt besteht. Meiner Meinung nach sollte es eine einfachere Möglichkeit geben, Originallogos und -etiketten zu bearbeiten. Ansonsten sieht es für mich einfach komisch aus. Aber das ist nur meine Meinung. Ich habe die meisten Repaints, die ich verwende, aus anderen Quellen bezogen, nicht aus dem Creators Club selbst. So oder so, es ist immer viel Arbeit, das weiß ich.

Sry, aber das stimmt nicht ganz. Zwar waren 1997 noch viele alte Lackierungen aus fast allen vergangenen Epochen zu sehen. Aber das neue DB-Logo war bereits allgegenwärtig und das alte Logo hätte die Ausnahme sein sollen. Eine Bildersuche bestätigt zudem, dass es 1997 kaum noch alte Logos gab.

 

Note that liveries downloaded from 3rd-party mod sites and installed vs Livery Manager were also created using Livery Designer- it's just that the creators who upload to those sites tend to be the more dedicated ones. It is very possible to make good liveries in LD, but it is a LOT of painstaking, niggly work. Just for a start one has to hack the program to bypass the 300 layer limit; and one has to be prepared to manually construct every individual letter and number to get the typeface correct. But it can be done.

 

Okay, I wasn't exactly sure about that, but of course it's true.

But another thing:

In 1997 most (or all) stations still had so-called "folder displays" and no digital displays.

I'm curious how DTG will implement this, because it would be something completely new in TSW.

Here a picture from 1997 and Koblenz:
https://doku-des-alltags.de/StreckenundBahnhoefe/Rundfahrt 97/Film 6/04 216 127 in Koblenz Hbf.jpg

 

Well, in the roadmap it was stated that we will get a Bvmz with the Avmz. The 101 has the Avmmz and Bpmmz.
Bvmz are still around today (modernised as Bvmmsz) and are second class coaches with a mixture of compartments and 2+2 seating, whereas the 101s Bpmmz just has open 2+2 seating

 

It goes without saying that professionally made liveries are better received than those made just for fun. Especially console players who are not familiar with external fan websites or with mods are happy to get a new skin quickly and easily via CC. It's also clear that many PC creators use mods to break the 300 limit and have their own, but unofficial, logo packs. DTG would certainly have been happy to provide all the logos included in the game, but licensing is still the problem. Many train operators are now familiar with TSW but don't want to simply give away their brand logos. Some like DB allow an imitation, but are not ready to provide their original logo yet. DTG is also aware of the problem that texts for markings use up one layer per letter. In the future there may be a text input option that only consumes one layer for a short text. Actually, the only thing that bothered me was the statement that CC liveries are just childish and cheap. A more diplomatic phrasing never hurts.

 

If you search on that website there are sleeper trains operated by the DB Baureihe 103 on the route EN222 Wien Westbahnhof Dortmund Hbf. nowadays the ES64U2 ÖBB Baureihe 1116/1016 DB Baureihe 182 MRCE Dispolok Baureihe 182 family 23:45 Koblenz 00:39 Mainz Hbf.

 

If you look inside it there is a
DB Baureihe 150
DB Baureihe 169 E69

DB BR 119
DB BR 160 E60
Adler Dampflok

There are also steam locomotives inside here most of them are from the Deutsche Bundesbahn others might be Deutsche Reichsbahn German Democratic Republic East Germany.

 

The museum won't be featured, as it is not located on the line, and it would not make any sense to include it.
And even if the museum was on the line, we would get empty tracks, like on Dresden-Chemnitz.

 

Yeah.. because the museum opened in 2001

 

Pronunciation guide for English speakers, as a few people found my last one fairly useful. Dashes are to break up syllables, they don't represent pauses. ' represents a schwa, the second syllable of "London". True German is a bit more rhotic than this, but this gets pronunciation without going into the accent.

Koblenz: K'-blence
Rhens: Renz
Spay: Shpie
Boppard: fairly phonetic
Bad Salzig: Bahd Salt-sig
Hirzenach: Heerts-'n-ack
St. Goar: Sankt Go-are
Oberwesel: Oh-buh-vay-z'l
Bacharach: exactly like the recently departed songwriter
Niederheimbach: Nee-der-hime-back
Trechtingshausen: Treck-tings-how-z'n
Bingen: Bing'n (in that era, Bingerbrück, Bing-guh-brewk)
Bingen Stadt: Bing'n Shtat (in that era, just Bingen)
Gaulsheim: Gowlz-hime
Gau-Algesheim: Gow*-al-g'z-hime
Ingelheim: Ing-g'l-hime
Heidesheim: Hi-d'z-hime
Uhlerborn: Oo-luh-born
Budenheim: Boo-d'n-hime
Mombach: Mom-back
Mainz: Mynce

* rhyming with "now"

 

With the caveat that both P's are pronounced, where most English speakers would run them together. The difference between penknife and penny.

 

How many BR 110.3 locomotives served freight trains at that time?

https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/deut...alte/220392/110-510-wuerzburg-080694-mit.html

 

Not so many. And it reduced further after 94, when the 110 was more or less demoted to regional traffic. They were still doing long range and fright, but it was more the exception rather then the rule.

There were 110s, which had been changed to the 139, which were then used exclusively for fright, but all of them had the old form and did not look like the 110 we have in game.

 

Excellent explanation and furthermore 139 can pull N-Wagen provided Munich Innsbruck Garmisch-Partenkirchen Mittenwald Railway 1990s is built

 

True, they did also do some commuter service, once some of them got push pull control. The cool thing for TSW would be that once you had the 139 in game, you would only need to remove the electric brake and you would have the 140 in game as well

 

True. The modularity of the Einheitsloks could really work to our advantage for vintage routes. Once we have a Kasten-one, the 3D models are extremely similar for all of them. I'd still love to get a 140 and 150. They were the real workhorses. Fascinating machines.

 

Here is a cab ride on an IC Service from Koblenz to Mainz, really shows how beautiful the route is

 

Looks like a beautiful route, I am very much looking forward to it now after seeing the video. Shame it froze at the end.

I think a trip to Germany to see some of these routes and trains for real is a must for next year.

 

The Rhine route is absolutely stunning. As previously mentioned, if you actually want to go through with it, a visit to the museum in Koblenz-Lützel is highly recommended and on route anyways. They usually have their traditional summer festival on a weekend in June. The somewhat quiet museum is a hive of activity then and historic locos from all over Germany come over along with cab rides being offered and lots of other things. Just putting that out there

 

The train to get is EuroCity 9: 10:53 off Köln, gets to Mainz around 2h later (and continues to Zurich). Beautiful SBB coaches, and a panorama coach in first class. Perfect for such a scenic route. Alternatively most of the trains in that hourly path are classic Intercity or (increasingly) ICE1s - all magnificent trains.

 

I would like to travel on a ICE one day, they look much nicer than the high speed trains we have here, well post HST anyway.

 

Highly recommended! I've been to Germany twice - Munich and Dusseldorf - on day trips from the UK.

The ICE trains are my favourite as well, just simply stunning:

 

"Seven hour bullshit bingo"??? Seriously?
(The poster on the wall)