Console Discount Not Viable Frankfurt Sbahn

I don't understand and I understand at the same time the anger towards DTG. It is sad that console players get 40% less playable services; but DTG tried their best. This route is, after all, one of the best, most polished, least linear, etc. etc.

Having it be discounted could be done, but there are PC players (not me, but there probably are) that only want to play the reduced timetable, and they are going to pay the same as those like me who want to enjoy the full timetable?

 

The difference here is choice.

At a higher price you get a choice, and if you don't get a choice, you should pay less.

I don't think any of that is unreasonable.

 

PC Players have the option to choose though, we don’t.

 

The reason PC players have a choice is many have machines capable of running the full timetable. Those that have older, or less capable, machines can use the reduced timetable. The case with consoles is that NO ONE has a machine capable of running the full timetable. It’s not a fairness thing, it’s a practicality thing.

 

Hsve I missed something? Why is this suddenly an issue?

Gen 8 have always paid the same yet for years have had reduced timetables. I don't recall there being much complaint about that back then or even now.

 

This is a real head-scratcher. Before Generation 9, I don’t recall Generation 8 ever receiving reduced timetables prior to the release of Gen 9. Once Gen 9 was released and Gen 8 started receiving cut timetables it was already considered 'outdated' hardware. However, Gen 10 isn’t even out yet, and despite being the newest console hardware at the moment, Gen 9 is already seeing timetable cuts. So I understand why Gen 9 users are more upset than Gen 8 users at the time.

 

Im guessing that there’ll be numerous PC players who won’t be able to run the full timetable, if your logic is console players should get a discount then shouldn’t these PC players also get one?

Then what happens if DTG can get the full timetable out to console players, then surely it’s only fair that they charge a top up if you’ve had a discount originally?

 

Gen 8 has always had reduced timetables. I believe the original GWE had to be reduced when first ported over. Whether the full timetable later came I can't remember. Either way, I remember when the dedicated gen 9 versions of TSW came out there was a whole song and dance about those consoles being able to run full timetables for the time.

 

The difference is that some PC players can and will run the full timetable, some won’t. It’s very dynamic so you can’t lower the price just for some people. But if every console player is going to be in the same boat there’s no excuse not to get a discount

 

They even said 3 times in the stream that they highly recommend that if you don't have a high end machine to use the reduced as you will have performance issues with the normal.

So probably most PC users will be stuck using it too.

As I said on a different thread asides from the main Frankfurt HBF area there was traffic on the route so it doesn't feel dead and the most Important no blurry textures on the Series X with performance also good.

This might be my 1st purchase since December.

Won't be day1 as I'm going to cheap out and wait for the 10% Gampass discount.

 

Some PC players might have a low end PC and only plan on playing the reduced timetable. But they will pay more nontheless, so its not fair.

 

Exactly what I said.

 

I can run Frankfurt-Fulda 60 fps easily on a 3050, which isn't that high-end. So I believe many PC players will be able to run the full timetable.

 

Did this really need its own thread? There are enough Frankfurt S-Bahn threads already.

 

I have an aging PC and not planning on getting the route at this time. However likely performance just one of the factors. I really have little use for another German stop/start electric bus stop route, not for £30 anyway.

 

This is not happening anyway they were very clear.

 

People have different likings, so that's 100% your choice and if I didn't respect it, I would show a lack of maturity. But I personally like it, and I get why people do or don't.

 

That's great. What's sad is, this route would have been one of the most successful routes if this hadn't been an issue. It's highly wanted, well built, etc.

 

What would help a lot is the minimum specs required to use the full timetable?

My PC is semi decent with an i7 intel core, 4070 RTX, 16GB ram. The only issue I have, well for TSC anyways is that I struggle to reach 60fps on the more demanding routes. WCML (TSC) for example. I think not having 32GB ram being the culprit here.

When it comes to TSW I’ve never really had much issues, though I don’t play TSW on pc as I hate sitting behind a desk playing TSW or any game for that matter. I may play the occasional indie horror game with my headphones in as steam has a better selection of them compared to console. I still like the comfort of sitting on my sofa looking at bigger screen though.

 

That's true. A requirement would help us know. I am also guilty of only having 16GB RAM, but when I bought my setup (less than a year ago) it was the standard.

 

I have an RTX 4060 8GB, with a Ryzen 5 5600x and 32GB of RAM, and I still have difficulty running this route, especially in Hanau and Frankfurt, even using Lossless Scaling. For much of the route I stay at 60 FPS, but when I get to those regions it drops drastically, especially in Frankfurt where it drops to less than 20 FPS.

 

It was more complicated to price gen 8 routes lower than gen 9 as people could abuse that to get the gen 9 version cheaper with the free upgrade.

With this route not being on ps4 and Xbox one, there's not free upgrade to abuse. Ergo, teh price could be lower.

 

Ok but what happens when the Gen10 verdion comes out? Equally, what about when it was Gen8 or PC?

 

You could say the same for players who bought TSW2 routes on sale when the ps5 came out.

By the time gen 10 is here, the route will go on sale for less than half the price it is at launch. Weak argument.

 

So hypothetically if DTG could release the full timetable in 3-4 months time on gen 9 would you be happy to pay for via a DLC equall to the value of the discount you’re asking for?

 

Don't be daft, of course they won't, it's this point their argument just stares into space because it hasn't been thought through to that point......

 

Then you are fine. But yes I forgot to say my fps also drops at Frankfurt. Frankfurt is memory hungry.

 

I am not asking for a discount, I am saying that a discount shouldn't be available.

P.S. I am a PC player.

 

Think we figured that one out already. Why are so many PC players concerned about an issue that doesn’t affect many of them?

 

Because it does, which has been stated multiple times already.

 

Exactly! Many of us still running potato PC’s for various reasons, not least the Covid then Bitcoin farming which led to sky high hardware prices if you could even find somewhere stocking the item. The market still hasn’t recovered fully yet with even the humble RTX3050 still costing nearly £200. TSW particularly the newer routes are pushing those PC’s which are probably somewhere just north of a PS4 or equivalent to a XBone, to the limit lucky to get 20 FPS.

 

The difference is actually night & day. The Gen 8 situation (and I was a PS4 player for a while) is that after buying the DLC for the full price you knew you could upgrade to a Gen 9 console when able and have the full experience without rebuying it if you use the same XBox or PS account. The situation now is that I have to rebuy everything if I upgrade to PC.

 

Yes. As long as it's only the difference

 

Because it's affecting the reputation of the route overall, and the route intself; we don't get 430 substitutions on FF because of console issues; and because of other routes: say bye bye to say Köln-Frankfurt because of consoles. Matt has confirmed that no more Frankfurt routes for a while.