PlayStation Its Time For A New Passengers System!

I suppose we could learn something from SubwaySim 2, as they also use UE (albeit UE5) have a much better passenger system.

• Daytime passenger count variation exists.
• Passengers can open doors, and will always board properly instead of lingering on platform. They also exit properly at terminus.
• There's always passengers on the platform, though might due to their station being small and require less navigation.
• However the animation of those passengers are particularly stiff and appearance lack variance, for which TSW NPCs do have advantage.

 

Maybe that's the problem.

TSW has too much focus on NPCs looking different.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if they used one standard male and female model to represent all NPCs, if it meant more attention was paid to making them behave better than they do.

 

They don't look that different. I usually have a car full of ginger pony tailed clones!

 

In some places in the UK that's not unusual =-)

 

Really good Thread this is. I am shocked that Matt hasn't acknowledged this and seems to be distancing himself from the passenger system needing to be worked which is really annoying. It be nice to know if a Whole rework of it is being worked on or they just not going to bother. I do actually find it immersion breaking when you have passengers on ECS services when there should be 0! Same for when Terminating at Stations. I can only assume it should be a simple system considering other simulators such as Bus simulator have implemented it perfectly. This what TSW Needs. I would love it as well.
Also people chatting to others etc. It be great.
But when I leave Euston in an Empty 390, Im just like wtf is the point of this if I am transporting 0 passengers!

 

Somebody at DTG really has been putting the work into how passengers look- their clothes, faces, accessories, postures, all are vastly more interesting than back when




What desperately needs overhaul is their behavior. As a first step, simply implementing an "All Off" trigger at terminus stations, and ensuring that depot and ECS moves have nobody aboard. Beyond that, somehow sychronize passenger movements to the schedule, so we no longer have passengers standing idly around a platform that won't see a train for three hours, or staring blankly at an arriving train while making no effort to get on.

 

Now passengers are just random.
random on the platform
random on the train
they do move in and out and disappear
have a random ticket

for a working conductor mode those people should be individual instances with a target (and valid or non valid ticket)

That is a very massive overhaul
edit: of which i don't care much

 

Anything but boarding the train.

 

Mine do.... they get off too.
Now they then insist on jumping onto the tracks into oncoming traffic, well I'm not responsible for their mental health =-)

 

I'm thinking they need to just add ragdoll physics to the ones that fall onto the tracks...

 

Another problem is that only passengers who were in "waiting for train" mode before its arrival board the train. Passengers who switched to "waiting for train" mode after the player opened the doors are simply waiting for the next train. The current train does not exist for them.
It's annoying when you stand at the platform for 5 minutes, and none of the newly arrived idiots get on the train, they all just stare at it. The same problem exists in the TSC.
I assume that passengers are triggered by the opening of the doors. Player press doors open - mine embark. Player press doors closed - mine stop embark. There is simply no script for them to check the train doors status.

 

How do you know it was their train?
Maybe they are waiting for a different train. You can't just kidnap them! ;-)

 

Cause it's just a game. And I see that the passengers' script is written exactly like that. They are triggered only by the fact that the train are opening doors. If they were not expecting a train at that moment, then they simply do not see the open doors.

 

That would be plausible in LIRR or Bakerloo, maybe a busy terminus like Frankfurt. But the same thing happens at podunk stations in the sticks where trains are an hour or more apart.

 

You're missing the point though... you're the one making it less immersive. I don't "expect" anyone to board the train. You wouldn't as a driver know who "should" be boarding your train at any given station. Even if no one boards... no skin off my nose. I'm just the virtual driver making the same virtual dollars per virtual hour driving a virtual train.

 

Or my personal favourite, standing still until the doors close and then they start moving around.

 

I'm just saying that the algorithm is too primitive. It might be an optimization issue. I don't know if having passengers check the door status every second will be too CPU intensive, given the number of passengers, trains and stations.
And I'm not saying that EVERYONE should get on the train. I'm saying that those who have just arrived at the рlatform should get on the train just like those who were standing and waiting for it.

 

Again, normal behavior of commuters in real life, especially if they are looking at their phone.

 

It seems to me, especially now that guard mode is a thing, that NPC programming should be "destination oriented", in other words, when a passenger spawns he is given a goal, say "Bletchley", and on that basis should make his way to the platform where the next train that calls at Bletchley is going to arrive, boards that train (with a ticket which should be for Bletchley on that day, except for a ~15% "invalid ticket" randomizer), and get off when he gets to Bletchley. From there he should head for the exit. This also would ensure empty depot moves, since all passengers will have reached their destinations and debarked by that point. To create station interest, passengers could be given a secondary objective, to visit the ticket counter or the coffee bar or whatever before heading to the platform.

 

As long as you don't mind all the identical twins, triplets and sextuplets, or the inappropriately dressed passengers, say on BPE wearing skimpy clothing on a snowy winter's day, or seeing every single waiting passenger opening an umbrella during a rainstorm.

 

The twins/triplets issue is much less pervasive than it used to be, since the random generator has a lot more variables to work with. Circa TSW2 it was common to get a whole trainload of clones of the same three or four people.

 

Shorts in winter is normal here. On a rainy day most people have an umbrella so.... again, not that odd.
If anything (besides the hauntingly disturbing faces) I find the NPCs less unusual than the people in real life trips.

 

Take a minute and think about how many passengers at one time are on a route. Now figure in that they all have to now "exist" as independent entities at all times, even when you're not interacting with them, each with a whole set of instructions and actions to complete. And people are already complaining about the game being resource intensive.
Most of which isn't even used on 99% of runs unless you happen to want to use Guard mode?
I think we're leaving train sim territory and starting to turn the game into the Sims. =-)

Do we have them start commenting and rating you on the quality of their train rides? Too bumpy? Braking was sub par? Complain if you don't turn the heat on in winter? Have hydration and food levels to satisfy? Do we get a restocking menu for the buffet car?

They actually have some of this stuff in other games... that are designed for a completely different purpose. It could be fun to run a little scenic railroad and worry about this stuff as a railway company simulator game with a single line but none of that is what TSW is about, and the biggest gripe currently is game performance with the content we have.

 

Actually, NPCs only exist within a fixed radius of the player; they spawn when you come in range and despawn when you leave it. IIRC there are only actually no more than 150-200 in existence at any given time.

 

Give me a break. You obviously don't live in the North East or Mid West of the United States.

 

You've obviously never met a geordie

 

I do. I'm near Buffalo. We're spitting distance from Canada so yeah, I know all about shorts in winter. That's why I said it =-)

 

Shorts in winter here (Western Canada). Check. Trousers after -20 C tho.

 

Yeah, once the air hurts the rules change.
Certain bits of anatomy you don't want to lose =-)

 

I tried using an umbrella a few years back. It blew inside out after 5 minutes and my legs were still getting wet. Went back to my trusty waterproof coat. You don’t see that many people using umbrellas these days.

 

at least we get a laugh now and then from the amazing passengers in TSW
i even have seen very small or large passengers although that was in a previous version

 

Totally agree, it's sometimes a funny distraction.
They've got the UK passengers completely wrong. When they bump into each other they should both apologise. And walking through a packed London Overground train and there are actually passengers who don't have headphones or people not constantly staring at messages on their phones.

I do think we need the British Transport Police added too. Might stop these passengers from foolishly levitating above the running line.

 

I've just played for the first time in a few weeks. Have DtG been messing with the passengers system?

I spawned in on WCML OS and went outside of the station. There was 5 or 6 NPCs stood on top of a car just outside of the station. Literally just stood chilling on top of a car.

Noticed odd behaviour on other routes too.

This either needs fixing/reworked or removed. It's embarrassing at this point.

 

passenger ai needs to behave correctly and pass each other correctly instead of keep bumping in each other
you see that a lot around stairs
or they try to use the same pathway's incoming outcoming traffic

 

I've noticed a lot more invisible passengers lately, you bounce off them on a platform but you can't see them

 

set ts2.passenger.ObjectPoolSize to 200, and you'll notice improvement.