Caltrain Removal/get It While It Available.

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  1. ericb

    ericb Active Member

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    Good route 40 mile track. Not to boring. The baby bullet come in handy if you purchase it alone with the other content. Traffic is some what ok I guess. But it not to bad. Get it while it there. Once it gone it gone for good. License issues what uh pit fall. How many of you actually have this particular route vs how many of you don’t. This route actually remind me of the other u.s. route. Wow it gonna be out of the collection pretty soon. Take advantage of this while it there if you don’t have it.
     
  2. pasquiles

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    I am thinking about buying it, but question is… will we be able to play to it in TSW6? I understand we will NOT.
     
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    It's been £5.99 in every XBOX and Steam sale for the last few years.

    The wheels on the GP38-2 don't move at all ... So that's one of the many, MANY bugs with this route.

    Ignore the FOMO voices in your head, and don't pay more than £10.
     
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    Caltrain MP36PH-3C 'Baby Bullet' and MP15DC Switcher
    £2.49 each
     
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  5. SierraOscar95

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    I bought the whole collection for essentially peanuts in the sale...

    I've got to say for a route built in 2019, it's incredibly well put together with a variety of stock and a good end to end service. AVL, SB, and LIRR definitely have the upper hand in terms more up to date features... But Peninsula Corridor is actually a good little route for its time. Well worth the money in the sales, along with the accompanying DLC.
     
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  6. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    and it has quite nice speed limits for a US commuter route... a lot of the time you stay between 60 to 79 mph with decent spacing, so you get quality time driving in decent speeds, which is nice :)
     
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  7. Crosstie

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    Peninsula Corridor was promised a remaster back a couple or three years ago.
    Never happened and now I guess it never will.
     
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  8. razmatus#2517

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    they might sort it out later, who knows
     
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  9. DJsnapattack

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    Caltrain Switcher hasn't been in the last 2 steam sales, still £11.99

    At full price its not worth it, even to never have it.
     
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    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    There's still several days for a sale to happen
     
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    Swisstrains Well-Known Member

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    And there we go! The loco add ons only cost ~3 bucks now :)
     
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    "As a note, we have unfortunately not been able to secure a Last Chance sales opportunity on Xbox platforms."

    Microsoft strike again - now there's a shock :cool:
     
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  13. DJsnapattack

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    Interesting that the wording is "you will be able to continue playing it during the current version of TSW"

    Does that mean that when TSW6 lands in September we won't be able to play it?
     
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    Apparently that must be the case. But the reason is actually pretty clear: Making it available for TSW6 would mean to add a new iteration in form of a separate add on. But because Caltrain doesn’t want people to be able to buy any add ons with their branding, it also means that a new iteration can be published
     
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  15. aeronautic237

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    Also, technically, TSW6 doesn't exist. TSW5 is the game to focus on. DTG won't announce TSW6 early (understandably) which comes at the disadvantage of not knowing how this will affect TSW6.

    I find it interesting to note that they seem to be working with Caltrain to get Peninsula Corridor back. It looks promising...
     
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    Steam sale just started check announcements page.
     
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  17. TrackingTrains

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    Difficult now it's on sale for some platforms and not others. Really the sale should have been uniform across all platforms for all players, or if too short notice to secure discounts for all players, keys for all handed out via support. I'm PS5, but feel sorry for the xbox players missing out again
     
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  18. vendys#6021

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    Do I understand technically correctly that if I delete the DLC from my PS5 after February 27th, I won't be able to install it again? Because I uninstall something quite often and then put it back after a while, because on the PS5 you can't turn off DLC maps under......
     
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  19. Crosstie

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    Some clarity is needed from DTG as to the status of the Caltrain assets.

    My understanding is that, if you own them as of 2/27/25, they will remain in your library forever, but playable only in TSW5. I can't speak for PS5, but in Steam you could uninstall and reinstall as often as you like. I would think console players have the same ownership rights.
     
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  20. vendys#6021

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    Well, we're not sure, I'm still downloading it to the PS5 from the PS Store server, I don't know how it works exactly, but if Sony removes it, then that's a question. I'm asking hypothetically, fortunately, I don't own it, but the situation interests me, in the future there may be something else that I need to own.
     
  21. armus

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    Caltrain sold off their diesel trains to Lima, Peru so not sure the gov’t agency has reservations about renewing a license to something they no longer own.

    I’m trying the MP15DC switcher and the graph that depicts acceleration (blue) and deceleration (orange) is backwards when the reverser is in reverse (accreditation is orange and braking is blue). Doubt that’ll ever get fixed but I hold that opinion for any bug I’ve reported since none have ever been fixed over the years.
     
  22. Killer-Of-Night

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    Caltrain still retains their MP36 fleet, 3 MPI rebuilt F40s, and the Bombadier Bi Levels for San Jose to Gilroy service, as the tracks aren't electrified past Tamien station.

    The MP15s are kept as well.
     
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  23. armus

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    The map (at least in MP15DC scenarios) tends to get stuck in TSW5 on PS5, whereby the map won’t scroll around nor can you exit from the map. Toggling the labels once or twice seems to be a way to allow the map to be exited.
     
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    This is a general TSW5 issue.
     
  25. richtayls

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    The article DTG have posted suggests people that don't have TSW5 yet but own the route/locos should claim the free copies for if they get TSW5 in the future, so no reason to think we won't be able to redownload them in the future.

    Lots of games get delisted from sale on assorted storefronts and they are nearly always redownloadable.
     
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  26. OldVern

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    Yes I just spotted that too. Sounds a bit ominous though they could just be covering all the bases. Assuming TSW6 is coming and most of us update, not going to keep 5 hanging around just for one rarely played route.
     
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  27. pasquiles

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    I believe this should be clarified by DTG.
     
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    DTG Harry please may you try to find this out?
     
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  29. Doomotron

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    I imagine it has something to do with upgrading on consoles (PlayStation at least), as the versions for other TSW games are not claimed automatically so you need to manually go through the ones marked as 'free'. These probably won't be there, but I'm willing to believe that DTG would give codes for people who forget to do it before the 27th.
     
  30. Redbus

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    I was flirting with the idea of the Caltrain SF-Gilroy route for Train Simulator Classic but it really is showing its age now.
     
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    If you were considering it I'd recommend getting it. If you change your mind later on, you will have missed out.
     
  32. The Training Center Goat

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    I suppose this means these routes will eventually no longer be available for re-download through Steam. What are the files & folders that I need to include in backups in order not to risk losing it forever?
     
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    If you own the DLC you will be able to download it at leisure from Steam, its not been physically deleted.

    It is thought that TSW6 will not allow the DLC to work. As it's effectively a new game.
    To play CalTrain content you would need also to have an installation of TSW5
     
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    Unless I hear different from an Official Voice, I am going to have to assume there will be no TSW6 version of the route, and so after upgrading later this year the route will have gone to join the choir celestial.
     
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    Correct, you would need to retain an installation of TSW5 to play the content.
     
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    And by the way, how long is a full download of TSW5 through Steam guaranteed? Can those who bought it still install TSW2, TSW3?
     
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    Darn nuisance that will be. I see no good reason why it can't be ported over ( as has been done in the past ) without violating the terms of the license. No new sales would take place.
     
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    The DLC would have to be made "TSW6 Compatible" for existing owners only I guess. Depends how strict the wording on the license was. The problem is TSW6 is a new game, and the license holder might not even respond to backwards compatibility requests.
     
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    I think this will be significant--even license permitting, the cost to update and recook the route for a new version of TSW with no possibility of future sales to make any of it back. DTG may be willing to do it if the route is popular enough and the loss isn't too onerous, but there's going to be a point where it doesn't make sense.
     
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    Remember that you might be able to copy the DLCs into TSW6 and get them to run. There's no guarantee of it working, but it's worth a go.
     
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    Always possible, though TSW6 has to exist first. :)

    At worst, it stays with TSW5, and people can delete everything but that DLC. Then the only extra disk space taken up is by the main TSW5 program itself.
     
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    I sincerely doubt anyone but the most devout Caltrain fans would want to keep TSW5, which at the point of TSW6 will be abandoned and no longer supported, hanging around just for one route and two sub DLC’s.
     
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    I probably will. I have no idea how Sony handles re-downloading delisted content, so I think I’ll keep TSW 5 and the Caltrain DLCs installed rather than risk losing access forever.
     
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    If and at this stage its a big IF, that whenever TSW6 releases and assuming PC isnt ported over due to licensing then I'll 100% be keeping TSW5 installed, not so much for Cal Train but more for the excellent Oakville Commuter timetable. I'll also be keeping Boston Sprinter and Sand Patch for the same reason. Its not ideal but I've unused storage on my SSD so its hardly costing me anything to keep it.
     
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    If Peninsula Corridor is not ported over, I will certainly be keeping TSW5 installed.

    TSW5 is largely forgettable with three mediocre routes I've barely touched and core issues with no improvements in sight, but I'll keep it for that one route and its locos.


    I still believe that DTG owes it to loyal long-time customers to find a way to port the route over to the next version, so that we don't have to waste valuable disk space.
     
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    I must say, with the addition of mods from the Train Sim Community site, the Peninsula Corridor route, while older than most of the US routes, definitely is a must have. While it's from an earlier era of TSW, it can be brought up to modern standards, and has a decent amount of local and express passenger traffic, road switchers to tow equipment to the CEMOF depot and freight switchers across the route. I have not played Peninsula corridor in several years but with the addition of mods to enhance it, it definitely is a great route across the board. If the license for Caltrain comes back at some point, I am hoping DTG can extend the route to Gilroy while updating the portions of the route that we already have.

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    Is this a piece of creator content?

    As ideal as this would be, I'd much rather DTG and their developers prioritized code stability and functional stability over disk space optimizations. I think it's better for every player to keep a modicum of control over what we're running, what branch/version of the core and what version of the route.
     
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    And so Peninsula Corridor will have the same fate as NEC New York - New Rochelle, for those who still remember that route.
     
  50. Gianluca

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    I would save TSW5 whit all Caltrain contents on external memory from my PS5 if next iteration not allow to port over from this title
     

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