Just Trains Next Route Predictions

Not being an unofficial moderator (which I hate) but not sure how the finer details of the ATS Manchester route are relevant to what Just Trains next route might be.

 

MAC route is Man Piccadilly to Alderley Edge via either the Styal line which includes the airport spur or via Stockport.

 

I would think that after looking at a map of the UK and seeing that we've had a lot of routes in the NW (and two more on the way) JT and DTG will feel that a change of scenery is required for JT's next route.

After so many London Midland Region releases I'm rather hoping the 2025 Dovetail Direct (or whatever it's called this year) gives us two or three new routes on the roadmap that are in the Southern, Western or Eastern regions. One of each would be pretty cool.

 

I really hope the MAC route delivers. ATS have a lot riding on this being their first route and all.

impress me, IMPRESS ME!

 

OldVern What is your avatar piccie buddy. Cross country dmu interior maybe ?

 

It’s actually the JT screenshot showing the interior of their forthcoming RMB!

 

What is RMB? Is this Restaurant Miniatur Buffet?Heritage Railroad from JT?

 

RMB = Resaturant mini buffet. From JT's 86 upcoming pack

 

If you look at all the screenshots supplied so far, it looks very impressive and l am certain ATS will deliver a first class route. Manchester to Alderley Edge via either the Airport or Stockport is already giving plenty of variety, with two different ways to travel. Bring it on ATS soon.

 

What movie/TV series is this GIF from?

 

Here, Here! I am really looking forward to it.

I’m not sure. I got this off a random gif site.
I don’t recognise the actor’s either which doesn’t help.

 

Done some digging on Google, it appears to be from the TV Drama series Legacies.

 

I was totally wrong there then, thank you.

 

How about this. We have a route including Crewe coming from a new third party developer, it's likely to be a smaller route for their first TSW release, so let's say it's Crewe to Preston. What does that leave for JT if they want to use the 86 and/or 87 for future releases?
Crewe to Birmingham, Birmingham to Milton Keynes, the Trent Valley line, branches to Liverpool and Manchester a backdated WCML south. Or GEML.

I'm convinced that the answer is somewhere above and hopefully they'll do another route that's long enough for those 86s and/or 87s to stretch their legs like on the current JT route.

 

Maybe they're going to Bulgaria, some 86s and most 87s were exported there.

You never know!

 

The problem with doing a random section of the southern WCML as previously touched on, is the skip stop nature of the service. Taking for example the Trent Valley from Rugby to Stafford (or Crewe), generally it was only the hourly stopping expresses that called at Rugby. Or you might have something fast to/from Euston to Nuneaton or Stafford but then next stop Crewe. Very few of the West Midlands expresses called at Rugby either, you had to slum (slam?) it on a Class 310 which, depending on the year in which the service was set, called all stations between Coventry and New Street.

It would be very hard for JT to do another section of the WCML, assuming Carlisle to Glasgow still off the menu, without either duplicating what’s already been done, albeit in a different era, or hitting the scant service hurdle. And if they baulk at doing Glasgow, I doubt they want to attempt the section from Watford into Euston in the 80’s either.

 

I would like to see a JT expansion of WCMLOS to Glasgow, as per the merged TSC route.

 

That's the bit they have said they're not doing though owing to complexity of the rail network and urban scenery around Glasgow. Which, as being discussed, does leave some odd sections if they want to reuse the 86/87 and give a decent length run.

 

Oh is it, i don't follow what is being done or not being done for TSW thank you Vern.
I would say there isn't anywhere else you can utilise the two sparky loco's
WCML South is modern era so no go, well for me anyway.
Like the Blue dlc for Paddington - Reading, complete joke in a modern setting and where is the 117 .

 

Wonder if they could perhaps even at least do up to Carstairs, where the line also branches of to Edinburgh ? Avoids the complexity of Glasgow and adds a good few miles onto the route. Although I guess the scenery isn't quite as nice and there would only really be Lockerbie and Carstairs stations to include, so maybe not enough interesting stuff.

 

Same problem as going south though - not that many trains called at Carstairs, mainly just the cross country "splitters" that served Glasgow and Edinburgh.

 

Maybe Just Trains are doing a Bulgarian route for the Class 87 and the GEML for the Class 86. The 87s don't really seem to have settled down anywhere for long or in great numbers after its Virgin West Coast days, so it's difficult to see anything other than another section of the WCML on its way from JT unless it's going to be an electric railtour pack with it in.

 

I chose WCML North Carlisle to Glasgow segment that way we can see Aisgill Summit it's steepest section

 

Ais Gill is the highest point on the Settle to Carlisle, not the WCML. The highest point on the WCML north of Shap is Beattock.

 

As already discussed at length in the thread, JT have stated they are not doing Carlisle to Glasgow. Which means if they are planning another section of route on which to use the Class 86 and 87, it's going to be somewhere between Euston and Preston via the Trent Valley and or Birmingham New Street, Stafford to Manchester via Stoke and/or Crewe to Manchester and Weaver Jn to Liverpool.

And as said it is hard to see without duplicating some of what's already done they can make this a viable length.

Settle and Carlisle is an unlikely choice regardless anyway as traffic levels in the early to mid 80's were very low, the route was essentially kept open on a "Parliamentary" basis as BR wanted to close it.

 

Stafford to Preston would be a good run and allow for a route hop at the end on to the northern stretch. Knowing Just Trains' attention to detail it's likely they'd make sure the timetables match-up.

I appreciate another route builder is doing something more modern from Crewe but there are plenty of choices from there.

However, and I know I'm sounding like a broken record, can we please take a break from yet more LMR routes soon please? There are far more interesting routes and scenery elsewhere in the UK than what's left of the English portion of the WCML.

 

Are JT confirmed to be making another route for TSW? There's always the chance that after working nonstop on Blackpool Branches and launching direct into WCML OS they might want to take a break, or have decided instead to focus on smaller add ons like the the 86.

Honestly it feels like the amount of DLC is drying up for TSW.

 

No official confirmation as of yet, but you can bet they have started another route. JT is easily everyone’s best or top 3 devs for TSW.
Hopefully we’ll hear something during the summer reveals, could be even part of the TSW6 route bundle. Who knows.

The amount of development that has gone into BR you’d think it’s certain we can expect more from that era. I mean they could do a full 180 though and be working on something modern, I hope not though as I really enjoy the BR content and since no one else is willing to make a BR route, we only have JT for that.

 

It is. But there’s a goldmine of untapped potential in TSC 3rd party devs that could come over to TSW. Unfortunately there seems to be too many hurdles in their way to come over for some reason.

 

How about the Met set in the late 80s/early 90s? Unpainted A60/62 stock with a 1st gen DMU in NSE livery.

 

I wouldn't expect that. They are now on a schedule of one big release per year, so I would expect a new JT route no earlier than november.

 

I would have to check but think this still gives the problem that most of the key expresses didn’t call at Stafford. You had the hourly semi fasts from Euston, whether going to Holyhead, Blackpool or Carlisle plus the inter regional services off the Birmingham line but it was a very untidy service structure.

 

It's a good point. LMR is not my area (region) of expertise so I'm now totally baffled as to what JT will do. Would Birmingham to Liverpool and/or Manchester work?

 

Still a bit of a stretch to get good use from the 86 or particularly the 87. Guess we will find out in due course! Mind, anything based around Birmingham or the Trent Valley could add the 310 or 312, probably a bit late by the mid eighties for the 304’s which tended to be the mainstay of the non Euston oriented local services in the 70’s.

 

May need to zoom in but here's a sample of the WCML intercity timetable from 1984-85;

 

Above really does demonstrate the random nature of the service pattern south of Preston and Crewe.

Look at that 1330 from Euston to Liverpool. First stop Stafford then non stop to Runcorn, not even calling at Crewe.

 

Yeah that’s the schedule that JT usually follows, but could their third project be tied to the core big three this time? A more linear, watered down route. I can’t see it happening, but anything is possible since we’ve all been shocked by what’s been released in the previous months (TTTE).

Like you, I also believe JT will follow suit and release something big at the end of the year. I just hope it’s something BR era still.

 

Before clockface timetables were a thing. Going away from Train Sim but these timetables were deliberately left with gaps so extra trains could slot in and if stuff ran late or some sort of degraded working was happening en route then the whole service wouldn't fall apart and whole sections of route would keep trains running as opposed to the turn up and go timetables of today which we are told is where demand is.

Also a lot more freight which to be fair was often slower. 45mph class 7s or slower were fairly common on some routes. Plus Parcels which has all been lost. A very different world. Trains were events then not conveyer belts.

 

OK then got the two mixed up

 

Ik vind dat Britse Duitse en Amerikaanse vaak voorkomen
Waarom niet meer Nederland?
Ik stem op Nederland

Like als je op Nederland stemt

 

Not being rude but this is your third post in Dutch. This forum is international and requires users to post in English, thank you.

 

Translation - I find that British, German, and American are often present. Why not more Dutch? I vote for Dutch. Like if you vote for Dutch.

 

I wonder if they’d do the WCML Crewe - Preston stretch which is shorter than their Shap route, but also include BR era Crewe - Lime Street as well? By including those two, you’d have a total track mileage similar to that of WCML Shap.

We don’t know where the first route from all aboard is going, but it’s looking likely to be modern so wouldn’t clash with JT’s content.

If JT head for Crewe though, we’d have a representation of it in the steam, diesel and modern eras. That would be neat!

Now, if only someone would come along and make more locomotives for Spirit of Steam and give it a remaster style scenery update… It’ll be the lacking version of this all comes to pass!

 

Preston to Crewe and Colne comes in at 80 miles. A nice mix of a long run in the 86/87 and an hour or so local stopper with the 101/142.Marvellous!

 

I've said that myself a few times now, though with the Liverpool to Wigan branch too allowing one to recreate the Liverpool-Scotland services with loco swaps at Wigan

It would also offer an opportunity to use the Pacer on local services between Wigan and Liverpool, though I don't think 142s were common on that line in 1986.

 

Personally would like it if they moved into the 90s and finally give us something InterCity Swallow

 

One thing I'm sure of - I'll buy everything these dudes create, they (JT) create the most beautiful routes with fun gameplay (even despite my neutrality to the 80s)

 

Pretty certain from memory they were quite common from when delivered. Worked all routes around Liverpool and Manchester except the Buxton line. Even travelled on one over the long closed St Helens Jcn to Shaw Street line due to failure around that time.

 

Yeah I remember them on the Atherton line, being young and foolish I used to sulk when some rickety old slamdoor turned up but when a shiny new Pacer bounced into Swinton I was all smiles... I just never did WGN-LIV until they'd been in service a few years (by which point they were well established on that route).

 

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