Route Enquiry

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  1. sparraboy

    sparraboy Active Member

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    I have downloaded the UKTS Southwest route (Exeter to Waterloo) and have a problem with Exeter Central whereby the platform is missing and the benches are higher than the train cab. Reading the instructions I noticed that I don't have JT Mid Hants, do I take a guess that this route is used for the platforms etc? I don't really want to spend £20 just for 1 station and I'm not a massive steam fan either. I searched for missing assets through TSTools but it didn't flag anything. Can anyone confirm that the missing JT route will solve anything? Also cannot find the SW Wales route that is needed as the download link to the site is dead. Ta.
     
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    Had another look with TSTools and the stations are part of the Mid Hants route. I am also looking for the free SW Wales route that was available at 'Oakwood sheds' site but that is gone now. Does anyone know if it can be found anywhere else or better still that they may still have the route as it contains quite a few assets needed for the SW route.
     
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    My versions of this network are routes procured directly from Justtrains. Maybe the assets are from these.
     
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    Doomotron Well-Known Member

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    TS Tools can't identify a missing asset, because you don't have it.
    If it's the only thing you don't have, yes.
    Do you mean South Wales Coastal? The original version was delisted years ago and you can't get it anymore.
     
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    749006 Well-Known Member

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    If the Route says you need an Asset and you don't have it TS Tools will tell you its missing
    That is the whole point of TS Tools.
     
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    I assumed they were talking about the identify object tool; I never knew it could do that.
     
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    Many years ago, probably well over ten there was a freeware route based around the Pembroke area. It was well detailed for the time. I think the developer who was on UKTS had Pacer in his name. I think the download site is long gone, I don't have a copy of the route anymore.
     
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    That suggests the route wasn't that good.
     
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    How does It? The reason I don't have it is that it and other downloads I had at the time were stored on media, probably a USB stick, which is long gone. I wasn't as meticulous in what and where I backed files up onto in those days.

    It was good and was well regarded at the time.
     
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    We take care of things we value. If you didn't think it was worth keeping, it's probably what others thought about it as well.

    Since it doesn't exist now it's not going to help the OP.
     
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    Yes that's the route I'm looking for. It's needed for what is labelled SAD assets (lots of vegetation, signals etc) in the Southwest England Exeter to Waterloo route.
    Thanks, but this route is a freeware covering the whole SW trains route to London.
    I own both versions of SW Coastal and I quickly worked out how to find missing stuff using TST (I didn't see for looking) This SWW route was something that was highly regarded back in its day and I was hoping that someone might still have a copy as it's the only way of getting the only 'full' SWT route available working. There is always confusion when trying to ask about ancient routes lol. I may well abandon the idea of getting it running as the track gradient work isn't great in the first climb I came to, so who knows what the rest is going to be like!
     
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    I did keep it on something with other things like some early Meshtools items and some early AP items on some media which stopped working or got lost.

    I don't even know why I am trying to explain it,

    It was just some historical information, I didn't intend for it to become a Question Time debate! I thought some might find it interesting.
     
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    Is it possible that DTG/NorthWalesCoastal has similar or same assets as SouthWalesCoastal that may help you? NW Coastal is available on Steam.
     
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    I believe this the excellent South West Wales route by PacerPilot, I think he was an actual train driver who signed the area. Was it someone called Traveller54 who continued to develop the route? This was all during the heyday of UKTrainsim, so the files should be available somewhere. I unfortunately had a hard drive failure with no backup so lost a ridiculous amount of trainsim stuff including this and Wales and Borders plus many others ....thought it would never happen to me etc etc.....
     
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    I have the South West Wales v5.5 installed -not sure if zipping this up and giving you a link will be enough? I can identify 2 specific asset folders connected to it but for other stuff you would need to specify what (freeware) stuff you need.
     
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    Yes it was someone called Traveller54 now you mention it. This is bringing back memories, I wonder what happened to many of the old UKTSimmers. I know there are a couple on here.

    I too lost stuff in the past as I thought one back up drive was sufficient. I had another recently but found a program where you can restore files from a damaged hard drive. I am thinking of using a cloud back up.
     
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    That would be awesome if you could zip it and send me a link Chris, there is quite a lot of assets in the route that are needed for the Waterloo Exeter branch. Much appreciated!
     
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    Links sent in Private Conversation. Let me know if any issues and confirm if/when you have them
     
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    It was pants and to qualify that, i live in Johnston (Pembs).
     
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    That's great! Many thanks Chris, should make the route usable now.
     
  22. Gary Padley

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    Was your version of the route better then?
     
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    That's a silly argument. If I don’t like a car I've been given, I'm under no obligation to make a better alternative.
     
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    It was freeware so for me that means any non-constructive criticism is unfair as someone has gone to the time and effort to produce something without expecting any reward for it. However, I don't recall it being "pants" as it was so eloquently put. It had a lot of positive comments at the time, baring in mind this was in the earlyish days of RW/TS and both payware and freeware has moved on since then.
     
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  25. sparraboy

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    Anything in this sim that is freeware and still contributes to routes that are not found anywhere else is absolutely fine in my book. I don't care if it's not to 'modern' standards as this sim is always going to be as good as the amount of effort that non paid enthusiasts put into it for our enjoyment 'Freely'.

    This sim is currently on life support with regards to upgrades and new content. Any new stuff is going to be coming from the very people that have spent their time learning and creating stuff for free and should have the right to charge for it if they see fit. This is a very niche but not necessarily finite hobby that everyone is trying to keep afloat. Slagging off people who have worked hard for free is just wrong and making demands of anyone who works in this genre is also wrong. Nothing is going to happen by making demands but things 'can happen' if we help the Devs by proving what needs to be done to keep this sim alive.
    Prove to them what needs to change in the sim and provide a rough business reason and maybe they might spend the funds to make it happen. Demanding that they make it open source is never going to work.

    Apologies for the negative nature but this hobby is descending into a strange 'I want, you must provide' nature whereby the very people who can help will just walk away and I for one wouldn't blame them.
     
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    Yup much better, set in the late 1950's - early 1960's. Includes the main line to Neyland and full accurate semaphore signalling.

    Your next question................... ignore list.
     
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    Probably from people that do not know the area. I usually agree on freeware being untouchable, but it was such a dogs breakfast i ran it once and then binned it for good. Got it here on a dvd somewhere.
     
  28. Gary Padley

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    Ran it once???...that would have been a long session to traverse every inch of the route, and hardly enough to elicit a scathing review. That's before we wonder which revision of the route was tried.
     
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    For its time Pacerpilot's route was very good. It was produced when there were not a large number of assets available and in the early days of the sim, I am pretty certain before the migration to Steam. We were all learning what was and wasn't possible at the time, and every reasonably detailed route was definitely pushing the boundaries. Certainly as a simmer who moved from the late days of MSTS, to the first version of Rail Simulator, Pacerpilot's route when he started releasing it set new standards, however accurate or not.

    The perspective of players new to the sim following the migration to Steam may be different, based on a different first experience. The original KUJU routes weren't exactly the best ever but were a big advance for the time as opposed to MSTS.
     
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  30. chrisreb

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    I enjoyed and can still enjoy the route
     
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