Need To Save Tsc From Been Dead

Modern CPUs are not "dual"....think in larger multiples of cores (not processors), your 7800 has 8 cores for example.

 

However, it does work on modern processors utilising a single core of those processors. The warning pertains to multi-core processors operating at a clock speed of less than 4GHz...

 

How many cores are tried to be used is decided by Windows, just use Task Manager's Performance Manager routines to see how many threads and core are utilised when running TS. Most games are predominantly a single main core with peripheral routines farmed out as "helper threads" which run on other cores.

 

I think you need to read the article again, and stop spreading incorrect information. Nowhere does it say the game will NOT work on a modern processor. You just need a processor with strong single core performance.
The article says you will not get the full benefits of modern, multi-core processors. 2 completely different things. Any decent processor with a good single core clock speed (and yours is) is fine for TSC.
Your issues of low fps is down to something on your system. I was simply trying to help you figure out what the issue may be. You may not feel confident in exploring what the issue is and thats fine. We are all different. If I had spent money on a new PC, I would want to make sure I am getting the most from it.

Modern hardware will not be the reason TSC ceases to exist.

 

No miss information here! - if there was then I would think the MODS would remove it!

From the DTG TSC article:
Why is my frame rate so low?
Train Simulator is a very CPU intensive game due to the amount of AI and physics calculations going on in the background. Due to this game being over 15 years old, it cannot fully utilize modern hardware.
When the game was made, CPUs were getting higher clock speed to make them faster. However, since that time there has been little improvement to clock speed, as manufactures have instead focused on increasing the amount of CPU cores. Unfortunately, Train Simulator is a single-threaded game and cannot make use of multiple CPU cores. This will be a significant limiting factor for your frame rate, and changing your graphical settings will have little impact on your performance. The only way to improve performance is to use a CPU with good single threaded performance and a high base clock speed (4 GHz+)

The only conclusion from the above, and what I have experienced on my own new PC with TSC, is that TSC wont work on a modern PC that have dual processors (which alot now do!)

 

Which is the incorrect conclusion. Your processor has a base clock speed of 4.2 GHz, offering great (though not exceptional) single-core performance. Something else in your rig's setup is holding back TSC. My 5800X3D, with a slower clock speed, still runs TSC okay when I'm not overexerting it and getting out-of-memory (OOM) errors. My processor's base speed is a whole 1 GHz less powerful than yours.

 

What is more interesting is why is TSC better than TSW with respect to frame rate drop (at least that is my experience along with many other users unhappy)

 

TSW5 is horribly optimised it seems, though yesterday’s patch brings a glimmer of hope. I know that my old potato PC I7 4770 running at 3.5Ghz and accompanied by a 4Gb GTX1650 does very nicely on TSC. The only route that stutters is the Tokyo suburban line but I suspect that has its own particular issues.

 

Once again, nowhere does it say it will NOT work. Not fully utilize, is not the same as it will not work.
DTG are simply lowering expectations for people who upgrade their PC components. You keep harping on about dual processors. Dual core processors were available before TSC came along. Modern games & software thrive on multi core processors to balance the load and bring EXTRA performance. They are programmed to utilize this extra power. TSC is not, and cannot utilise these extra cores, so you get no extra performance. That does not mean it stops working, it simply uses only one of the available CPU cores. My I5 cpu is 6 core, and has a single core clock speed much slower than your 7800, and yet TSC runs fine. My I3 dual core cpu actually has a faster single core clock speed than my I5. Guess what, that also runs TSC fine.

You have a CPU that is capable of that !!

Absolute nonsense, as many, many TSC players can prove.

The only sensible conclusion is that something else is causing your lack of performance in TSC.
If you don't want any help finding a solution, that's fine, but telling people that a modern PC will not run TSC is factually incorrect and unhelpful.

 

My experience is to just get a nice big SSD and only put your stuff there. I have a 2TB for TSC and a 4TB for TSW (expecting future purchases if they ever get their act together). Everything else is on other drives. CPU can certainly slow things down. Good example is the menus. Memory access whilst playing to load in the next section of track and assets will also have an impact, hence why I have several distinct drives on my rig.
Respectfully

 

My six month old PC runs TSC fine, the best I've every known it run.

 

How about a total fresh Install?
And nope. It didnt help anything either.

 

Check your AA settings. Reducing them can improve performance. Balance between performance and quality.

 

I was able to put AA and everything else all the way up at its highest. What changed?

I know what changed. Nvidia Drivers.
There has been nothing but problems with the drivers for the same amount of time that I have been seeing bad performance in TSC.
And the bad performance is NOT just in TS Classic, its in other 3d Accelerated apps and games as well (like Cyberpunk 2077, 3ds Max and all those). Including something I am developing myself, And what i am developing, does stuff with Vulkan, and I did notice a performance change for the worst even in that since January.
Its a driver problem. I will roll back my Nvidia driver version to a December one, and report back.

EDIT: No good, no use, Still the same. This is deliberate just to annoy and agravate.
I am done with this Lost cause now. I have more important things to do than deal with a group of mean people that hate me. Its a hardware problem, and I think people know that. GOOD FOR YOU. Enjoy your superiority.

 

There is nothing wrong with Nvidia latest drivers.
I always run the latest drivers and have no problem with any of my games.

Probably it is third party addons and other stuff which makes people have problems.

 

I always use the latest Nvidia drivers and have never had any issues with them.

 

I rolled back the Drivers. It helps nothing.
No such luck. I bet that makes many on here really happy.

Anyway, I am done with this. I got better things to do.

 

Are you unable to stop kicking a man that’s lying down? What’s the matter with you?

 

It’s factually correct that my new modern PC cannot run TSC, and is helpful to those planning to buy an updated PC, not to go for the specifications I went for if they want there new PC to run TSC.

It would be preferable please to avoid keep replying with the same answer, I think it’s called Trolling!

 

That's not what you said originally. You said it "cannot smoothly run Train Simulator Classic, even with only a couple of DLC installed" which isn't in your own words factually correct as it can run it, albeit not to your satisfaction. I'm not trying to pick a fight but please beware of making statements that might influence people to make a poor choice or avoid TSC altogether.

 

Not trolling, just saying

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/new-trainsim-pc.90835/

 

I dont want a confrontation either, but I think you are being a bit selective with one of my posts from 10 days ago!

In that time I taken a day off work and tried TSC on my new PC in a whole host of different in game settings, with only one DLC and no MODS installed.

I also submitted a ticket to DTG.

After many hours of trying, I could not get TSC to work so have unistalled on my new PC, and quite happy to use my old PC to play TSC.

My posts in this thread have never meant to put people of buying TSC and I apologise if I have put anyone off (but I doubt many new purchasers of TSC will have read this thread, and if you look in the new members on this forum there has only been handful joined this year!)

All I have done is detailed my experience to try and help probably a few others who are considering upgrading a PC to avoid the specification I went for, so they can buy a PC with a better TSC spec that will work better than I have experienced and enjoy TSC and keep TSC alive.

 

No. YOUR new PC with those components cannot run TSC for whatever reason. Your original blanket statement was that anybody who buys a PC with modern components wont be able to run TSC well, is factually incorrect and you used the DTG article to back up your claims, even though it said nothing of the sort. You have then back tracked by adding the phrase "my new modern PC"
Your modern PC is a good machine. It should take TSC in its stride. The fact that it does not is the puzzle I was originally trying to help you with.

And how can I be a troll? My intention was never to get into an argument, more to try and make you understand that what you were experiencing was not how it should be. I was actually trying to help you. PC`s can be complicated and frustrating. Especially with the myriad of settings nowadays. A lot of pre-built machines are garbage out of the box. They are never optimized correctly, as most will get used for simple tasks. I have built all of my PC`s from scratch, and have seen two identically built PC`s perform completely differently, due to configuration issues.

I don`t post on the forums much, but In this instance, I thought I could offer some assistance to a fellow TSC user. How wrong I was.

 

Whilst we are on this subject, have a look at the attached screenshot. I have rescaled it for the forum, but I run the game at a 2K resolution, and 2x2 mutisampling. WCMLS as you all know is a bit of a struggle, performance wise. A lot of routes, I can sit at a constant 60fps, (Capped)

For those that wonder whether a better Graphics card would help, it does, but only to a point. TSC really is a CPU bound game, my 4070 super Gfx card is running at less than half its capable speed, and is drawing so little power, the cooling fans have turned off. My I5 CPU is running at 4.2k mhz boosted, but the actual CPU usage is only at approx 18% because the game refuses to utilize the extra cores available on the CPU, so one core is running flat out. This is where a fully working DX12 version would help, because it would, in theory, move a huge chunk of the graphical load to the graphics card, leaving the CPU to do everything else. But its not easy, as the TSC team have found.
So despite having plenty Graphical & processing power available, TSC refuses to use it.

Its a rare beast this game.

 

2 years ago I bought a brand new top tier pc to run TSC. I was getting a lot of glitches and black screens. At the time TSC was the most demanding software I was using. I was very frustrated. I tried everything to find out why my pc crashed during TSC sessions. My brother was over and suggested checking the bios. Apparently I was running an old bios on a brand new machine. Guessing it had sat somewhere gathering dust. The bios was not compatible with my Nvidia drivers. Bios updated and voila pc has never been better. Long story short you never know what you are buying even from the best stores. One doesn’t expect to have to check software compatibility out of the box. Well there you go!

 

My PC is a couple of years old with a decent-but-not-great CPU, and TS runs fine most of the time. I'll upgrade at some point, but I've been spending money getting into Macs instead because I can't stand Windows for non-gaming tasks.

It's been covered before, but it's always a good idea to try to eliminate other potential causes of an issue. But it's been made clear that the issue at hand here is very likely the Windows installation itself. The PC is more than capable, and TS runs well on modern machines (and has held up much better than other games of its era). But until westcastlerail accepts that, there's nothing more we can do than add fuel to an argument that's just going in circles.

 

Yes I do thx

 

A lot has been discussed about CPU's and configs but I found years ago that the thing that was limiting FPS and stuttering was mostly related to the video card and it's configuration not the CPU.

 

i'm wondering if someone is experimenting on making same train simulator classic style game on unity to see if it possible.

 

I Dont care anymore.
It would be possible. I have the knowledge, I had started something like it. But now I have lost all Interest in even finishing it, after what has happened and how I have been treated on here.

Even If I was interested in starting it again, I Know I would be hindered by people and get stopped in some way.
I also wasted my time learning Unreal Engine and the Route Editor of TSW. I know its just a recruitment tool, and I know they hate, and dont want me, so its of no use to me.

I Wasted so much time on all of that, when I could have spent it better saying goodbye to my sick mother.

I have had enough bad luck in life in 2025, I dont need to invite more bad luck And have copped enough hate on here, just for existing.

 

I did make a comment about the running of you game and I even suggested looking at something.
# 40 about the computer not being up to the job and #51 about the CPU
However you told me that you build your own computer and you know how it runs and I know nothing.

 

oh really that neat. so unity Language code base is somewhat the same as train simulator classic Language code base.
sorry for your lost.

 

No Its not the same as TS Classic, whatever you mean by that.
I didnt think anyone cared about who or what I lost.

 

They are unable to stop it. Its because they get a nasty kick out of it.
This is another reason to stop coming here to this bully full forum, and to delete Train Sims of my PC. I have better things to do, than speak about a lost cause, and get spoken down to by people like them.