Route Mbta Commuter Feedback Thread

Discussion in 'Player Feedback' started by DTG Harry, Nov 12, 2024.

  1. SGTDRE

    SGTDRE Well-Known Member

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    I have a hard time with can't or will not__, you can see that with the one video where I spent 12 hours, if not more, to figure out it was a save game causing the Red Light Bug. And right now I'm not feeling well. Or I would have tried this.
     
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  2. jkefel_2003

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    I understand that it’s just that they had access to all the trains it seems copy paste to me and these are my local trains
     
  3. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    so I just completed a run - and the 5 mph kinda helped, cos I didnt get a penalty application before stopping, HOWEVER, once I stopped I got beeps and my PCS opened for some reason, as if I got a penalty :D
     
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  4. SGTDRE

    SGTDRE Well-Known Member

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    That is odd, and did you try to acknowledge the beeps/alarm? Maybe caatusjuice can take a look at this, if he has the time.
    By the way, which run did you do? I will try the same run on my Xbox Series X
     
  5. cActUsjUiCe

    cActUsjUiCe Developer

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    Just to clear things up, the signal system is separate from the train safety systems. The train interprets what the signal system sends to it and decides what to do (do nothing, enforce a penalty brake, etc). The only train setup stuff I'm ever involved in is getting the basic cab signaling to function. The safety systems are handled by others at DTG.
     
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  6. SGTDRE

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    So, would that mean that entering the station at 5mph rather than 15 or higher before coming to a stop is how it is set up? And not getting a penalty brake at 5mph compared to 15.
     
  7. cActUsjUiCe

    cActUsjUiCe Developer

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    I don't know all the programming behind it, but the train safety system is generating a "braking curve" of sorts. It's likely a function of distance to the signal and current speed. It makes sense that coming in at a slower speed allows you to get closer to the signal without violating that braking curve.
     
  8. SGTDRE

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    Okay, thank you, that sounds about right.
     
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  9. cActUsjUiCe

    cActUsjUiCe Developer

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    In any case, it is definitely programmed incorrectly. It's something we've been vocal about for years.
     
  10. SGTDRE

    SGTDRE Well-Known Member

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    Then there is a much lower speed restriction, than what is displayed on the dash readout. I have also noticed that many times, the mini HUD speed indication does not match the speed indications on the acses and ATC.
     
  11. razmatus#2517

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    yes I did, and I was going like 4 mph, then I got exactly at the stop marker, pressed acknowledge one more time and hit the brakes, and I stopped right at the marker, which is where PCS opened up for some reason lol... even tho I was going slow, stopped, and opened the doors :D

    so if I got this at that 4-5 mph speed, then it doesnt really matter... previous runs I would do like 10-15, got close to stop marker, and got this also... so as we see, it isnt a fault on cactus' side, but rather sth with the loco/safety stuff it seems... I mean, as long as it doesnt stop me from getting nicely on the marker, not a big deal, but still sth I am noticing

    havent tried if it behaves the same on Boston Providence HSP46 timetable, but on Boston Worcester I get this every single time, both in HSP46 and F40PH
     
  12. Anthony Pecoraro

    Anthony Pecoraro Well-Known Member

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    Try going under 3 mph. The "Velocity Zero" light comes on then, and the systems usually have a 3 mph buffer.
     
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  13. SGTDRE

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    I can't disagree with ya there, yet it is still something that has to get corrected, But, with DTG now putting more effort into getting TSW6 ready for launch and putting less effort into what is broken or just now working properly in TSW5, if we want to keep playing these routes, we either walk away or suck it up play. And as catusjuice said, this has been discussed for some time; it's almost like you're better off running without the safety systems.

    Either way, which service did you do this on?

    Now that would be a bit odd Yes? to have it set so low.
     
  14. OldVern

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    II just encountered the same issue with P520. As I have manual switches set to AI to change, would have thought that should have happened automatically. The root cause is P520 being routed on the left hand track as the outbound services are calling at the stations with just one platform, but seems something slipped with the timetable routing here. And not been fixed. Hoping I haven't gone too far down the adjacent line so I can reverse without a SPAD.
     
  15. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    I had that problem when it first come out and its still like it wow.
     
  16. OldVern

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    I mean I don't know if the real railway infrastructure is like this, but what sort of messed up operation has an unsecured (as in no ground frame release as we have in the UK) in the middle of a 79 MPH section of line on a busy commuter railway, leading onto a 10 MPH side track. Seems to be contrary to all health and safety design criteria.

    Anyhow the solution worked and I was (just) able to back out on to the main line and continue after changing the points.

    Even if it is like that in reality, for simulation purposes those points should be maintained in the normal position.
     
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