Gwe Remaster: Appreciation And Discussion Thread

May I be very honest? Given DTG's reputation when it comes to promises, I think we're entitled to be somewhat skeptical. It's not that I don't believe you personally, but the whole LAMPOIL process has shown that such statements really should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

I wonder if this route and TSW5 and now the announced route would benefit from the latest DLSS? It seems to perform very well in other games.

 

You must be new to TSW and how DTG work.

I remember being that naive once.

 

Matt and Alex officially confirmed earlier today in a video

 

Liam, thank you for all the work you have done on this project. I’m sure it will be amazing when it comes out. Things happen, life happens, and sometimes projects have to be adjusted. I’m really looking forward to your HST pack, it must be incredibly exciting to be working under your own brand. Ignore any hate on here, it’s a few people but does not represent the community.

 

It's not hate to have concerns.

 

Your concerns do seem somewhat misplaced though and you keep throwing back the answers Liam has given. It's not unreasonable for you to be unhappy about something having been announced over a year ago and not then being available within the period suggested, I think most of us are a bit disappointed it's taken this long but we know the reason's for this. You seem to keep bemoaning the fact that on consoles it could potentially have a reduced timetable as compared to the PC version as well as doubting that it will be free.

There is no precedent for content being announced as free and then being released as paid software, all of Liam's previous remasters have been free upgrades for people who own the original routes and they have changed the prices of said routes after the upgrades either. It would also be something DTG could be pulled up for under advertising laws. You could have potentially make the argument about having to pay for it through upgrades of TSW but both 5 and the upcoming 6th instalment have the Free Starter pack which you generally have no reason not acquire unless you feel like spiting yourself (just don't buy future content for it if you have an issue with the business practices).

Regarding the timetable, having them be reduced on consoles sucks but if that's what needs to happen to prevent crashes or poor performance that will not be signed off by the console companies than that's how it is (for now at least). Even with the reduced timetable, it is an objective upgrade both in terms of route detailing, variety of services and everything else when compared to the original version of GWE (which you'll still have the original timetable for).

 

Here's the thing though.

When it's released, people who don't already own it will purchase it, and it's 99% certain they'll purchase it for the new timetable.

And it'll cost the same across all platforms, even though there's a possibility the timetable for consoles will be reduced, thereby console users will be paying more for less.

And yeah TSW6 will have the free starter pack....but only for a limited time, so people who own TSW5 but for whatever reason miss out on the free starter pack will have to pay for the game.

So the remaster that was promised for TSW5 will be stuck behind a paywall for TSW6 and will likely have a reduced timetable for console users despite them paying the same amount as PC players.

Suddenly a free remaster is starting to get more expensive.

And a remaster for TSW5 will require people to own at least the free starter pack for TSW6, Thereby bumping up sales figures for yet another iteration of TSW.


So yeah I'm dubious and cynical.

 

*Whispers* free starter pack

 

*Only for a limited time

 

I think the negative comments about the GWE release dates are very misplaced and very rude quite honestly...

Liam has been absolutely transparent from the very start, he has taken time interacted and answered each and every question (within limits) that the community has had, and has been working on other projects whilst doing this in his spare time and for free... This was no easy feat, even for payware. And I think people should be completely appreciative of all the above facts.

Outside of the ungrateful behaviour of some forum members, I think we can only judge developers by their track record of content. Some are awful, some are okay, and some are great... If we look at all the projects Liam has worked on, they have been nothing short of fantastic and I've never felt short changed or less then impressed. I've always found Liams work comprehensive, detailed and accurate and those are important factors when TSW content is concerned. So to cast any doubts on his work is completely insulting... If we judge Liam by every project he has been involved with, we should know the wait is worth it, and this will be no different!


I continue to look forward to this, and I continue to look forward to any content Liam is involved in based on experience of all of his work. So I suggest others reconsider their thoughts and doubts...

Liam does have a life outside of TSW, and has had other things going on that have delayed it. And I think with all their interaction, taking time to engage with the community and work on this, people should cut him some slack and be more understanding. Although this has been delayed, we've had more updates around the GWE remaster then other projects that have been left in limbo...

I'm excited for this as I was last year, and I'm sure the wait will be worth it!

 

Well if people are happy to be conned out of their money for a "free" remaster or help DTG boost their sales figures with an obvious business move then go ahead.

I also have snake oil and the email of a Nigerian Prince wanting to give you his fortune.

I'm done.

An idiot and their money are easily parted. Have fun, I'm out.

 

For the people that don't already own GWE, if they buy it even for the remaster they aren't technically paying for the remaster, they are buying the GWE route just as everyone else did to own it, they get the remaster as a bonus, just as everyone else is getting the remaster for free as a bonus for owning the GWE route. Pretty simple logic really when you think about it, so definitely wouldn't say anything backhanded going on with it.......

 

Is your internet going to be out for 3 months or something (i think the TSW5 starter version was available until the end of 2024 iirc)? They've also just given you a 2 month notice that it's on its way!

There's no way it's unreasonable when there's a clear, free, and easy upgrade path.

IMO you're just looking for reasons to be angry about what is, again, a free update!

 

Honestly never heard such pathetic ranting in my life.

 

Just hope he comes back, I need to know where that Nigerian prince is so I can get my fortune......

 

Anyhoo as someone who’s had GWE since the OG edition I will be looking forward to the FREE update which I’m sure will be worth the wait. And will also be picking up the HST pack to support Liam’s efforts (sure it will be top notch too).

 

The ‘Ignore’ function is free and easy, and this is the first forum I’ve used it in anger on in my life!

Use said function, everyone, on the ungrateful, petulant forum participant marcsharp2 (I have) and that will filter out the dross posts (but you can click a button to show them if the context then goes amiss without).

 

Nigeria

 

That's an incredibly nonsensical leap in logic. So let's say that you are brand new to TSW and 6 is the first game you've got. You see GWE, you're not buying it simply because of the new timetable, you're buying it because you want the route. It being "new" is only relevant to people who have the old version. The kicker here is that even if there does end up being a reduced timetable, it's still going to have more than what is currently in the route for the same price. This isn't the same as Frankfurt S-Bahn, where you pay the same for a route with less. You are quite literally paying for the current old route with stuff added on for free, then, the PC version may end up having a little more on top of that. (Not forgetting that we still don't even have concrete information on whether or not a reduced timetable will be in play)

What possible reason could there be to miss out on the upgrade period beyond actively deciding you don't want TSW6? You don't even have to be at your console or computer to register something to your respective platform. If you were already interested in and knew about the remaster before hand you aren't just going to forget to upgrade. Unless you happen to be on a journey of self discovery in the Himalayas or are trekking through Antarctica I just don't see anyone not being able to take a couple of minutes out of their day to log into Xbox on their phone and click a button.

Who cares if sales figures are bumped up? That doesn't mean anything if there is no revenue behind it, if people such as yourself were to only get TSW6 for GWE then DTG aren't making a dime off you. At worst, it would look good on paper prompting more investment which would hopefully then be spent on making things better. Unless your point is that you want DTG to cease trading then this quite literally doesn't affect anything.

Your cynicism would be much better put to use regarding the state of actual brand new routes that're being sold with version differences, not the free thing that is FREE. People need to start treating this remaster as a mod because that's basically what it is. An incredibly well built mod that one person has sunk a load of time into and that is lucky enough to be made available on console too.

 

Okay, lets get back onto the GWE: Remaster topic, guys

(yes, it's still coming!)

 

They are a beta tester I believe.

 

Liam, regarding the new updated timetable, does it include current timetable services with bits added on or is it a completely brand new timetable from scratch? If someone has completed the current timetable, does that transfer over or start a fresh? Thanks

 

It’s a completely new timetable, made from scratch. It has a significantly higher service count rate compared to the original timetable.

You’ll have the choice of the original and new timetable to choose from, within the menu selection.

In regard to the current timetable progress carrying over from one Train Sim World version to the next, when upgrading - TSW 5>TSW 6, this is something I’m unsure of. Though from my experience, every timetable has reset its timetable completion upon upgrading game versions.

 

Mine carries over. Be it London Commuter or Koln-Aachen, I've yet to have my progress wiped.

 

I have been lucky, my timetables have never rest, thanks for the info.

 

Quick question.

Will the 166, HST and any other passenger trains use the new P.I.S systems? (E.g: smart p.i.s with scrolling destinations.) Or has nothing changed from the basic ones?

 

It’ll be out for TSW6?…..thats a 13 month window then….

 

Es4t DTG has already confirmed in the roadmap this route upgrade will be released under TSW6 and not TSW5 as it was announced earlier.

 

I know this is getting remastered cant wait. But do then do something to this route on the last update. I've done a few full length runs and passed no ai traffic whats so ever. Line is completely empty.

 

I can’t believe the entitlement of some people. A free update being developed by a single dev in their own free time, and the company providing a free core update isn’t good enough. And don’t use the arguments the the free core update is only available for a limited period of time and if one doesn’t own the required route they would have to pay for the required route is somehow a sign of bad practice on the companies part is ludicrous. Then on top of it all to call people idiots , I am glad this individual is out. ( but I doubt he really is out.)

Liam, I applaud your efforts on this remaster and look forward to it whenever it is released.

 

How can free content weather that be a remaster one guy has done in his own time and a free core update be a con, you’re getting something in the end, you’re not being conned at all, but anyway this isn’t an airport so no need to announce your departure

 

It’s a bit bad that DTG ditch support for the previous version as soon as the next come out, but that’s not the fault of Liam or the time slot the remaster has ended hitting.

Another point to consider, is whether the remaster might take advantage of the as yet undeclared core improvements TSW6 will bring.

Please don’t be disheartened DTG Liam , the majority of players are eagerly awaiting the fruits of your labour.

 

It's clear that DTG Liam is not responsible for his GWE remaster being about a year late. That's on DTG for releasing a WCML that was so poor that it took him away from polishing the GWE project thus likely causing a delay from "5 " to " 6 ".

So any criticism of DTG Liam is completely unwarranted.

However, it's perfectly legitimate to criticise DTG for this delay and to add it to their track record of over-promising and under-delivering.

 

Im still looking forward to this remaster gonna be awsome going by the pictures.

 

I cannot see why DTG has any criticism due simply because a free update takes a while to materialize - it's free, they have no responsibility ever to release it. They certainly cannot be expected to place it ahead of commercial releases - or don't you understand business? I doubt anybody would have gone off and bought the DLC based on the update - likely the majority of users (unlike the tiny minority in the forums) are not even aware of the update. Just about everybody probably already has it. I am frustrated also by the delay, but get a grip guys - and wait for the usual crew of whiners to say it does not meet their expectations.

 

If you want to wait until the free upgrade deal to TSW6 has expired and then pay for it, then yes you’re an idiot.

But unless I’m incarcerated/in coma for the duration I along with I’d guess 99% of people on here will not be paying a penny to enjoy the GWE expansion on TSW6. But you do you

 

Guys back on topic please.

I wonder what the new core improvements will be with TSW6 and how that could affect/improve GWE Remastered.

 

Makes perfect sense to save it for TSW6 at this stage.
Liam's been working on this in his spare time. How many of us have to work late regularly and know how much it takes out of you?
This is a labour of love project and let's say it is nearly ready, it gets released a month before TSW6 and then the update breaks it.

I am usually more understanding when people complain about official payware not working as it should, but complaining about a hard-working guy who is slogging away all hours without being paid overtime to deliver an update that significantly improves a DLC many of us purchased 7 years ago....it's really bad manners.

 

If you've read the thread, you would know that no-one, I repeat no-one, is ( or should be ) complaining about DTG Liam and his hard work.

Any complaints are directed towards DTG and its broken promise to have this update within the TSW5 window.

 

…probably something to do with the eternal gestation period…DTG have a habit of announcing routes/dlc in the Roadmap which get pushed further back all the time. I appreciate that this is one persons work but in my opinion it should never have been announced when it was. DTG created the hype but haven’t delivered (yet) and in today’s world patience isn’t a thing anymore!

 

As Liam has stated above, when it was announced every indication pointed towards it releasing in 2024. That certainly wasn't it being announced too soon, that was genuinely the timescale set at that point. The reason it got delayed was the mess of WCMLS when it first released, which meant Liam had to divert away from working on this remaster to basically remaster that route instead. Logically, potentially even legally, he and DTG as a whole basically had no choice - people had paid money for a route that released in a borderline unplayable state, and naturally that would take priority over the personal side project of one man upgrading an already existing and stable release for free.

As Liam has also said the remaster was later delayed again by personal circumstances on his part, general life getting in the way, and let there be no animosity towards him for that because it happens to literally everyone. The exact nature of the personal issues he had to take time away for are things he is under no obligation to share, but the blame for the delay still ultimately falls to the state of WCMLS because had that not been an issue and the original timescale kept to, the remaster might have been out before the reasons for that second delay ever even came about.

I had a somewhat similar series of events in my own life recently. About four months ago I told people around me that I was planning to get my hands on the Hori Truck Control System to enrich my ETS2 experience. I told them because my next payday was going to see me have the money to buy it and I would have had it by the end of the following month. That timeline was believable, all but confirmed in fact, unless something else happened in the meantime. And oh boy, did something else happen. Two weeks later I bit into a pizza that had a chunk of bone in it which cracked and broke two of my teeth, meaning I then had to fork out for multiple dentist visits. Then I had a motorcycle accident where I was lucky enough to escape injury, but my bike needed replacing. Then a lightning strike fried my PC's motherboard and now I'm saving to replace that. I still don't have my Hori system.

The fact is in my situation my bike accident and PC death likely would have always happened regardless, but had I not broken my teeth on that pizza I flat out would have had my Hori system exactly on schedule, and the same exact thing likely applies to the GWE remaster being delayed by WCMLS where regardless of other circumstances, were it not for that specific one the original timeframe would have been kept and the original announcement not remotely premature.

(I now ride a 2005 Honda CG125 if anyone is curious or cares )

 

I addressed the reasons I feel it makes sense for it to be in TSW6.

I have been reading this thread from the start and I felt that some of the comments were somewhat ambiguous when it came to pointing the finger of blame. There have been some being impatient about when this update will be out. We don't know whether that's because Liam's not had enough spare time to get it finished or whether DTG are holding it back for TSW6, I felt it important to point out that complaints about the delay could be putting Liam under pressure, perhaps I wasn't clear enough though.

It's a hot topic for me because I had a nervous breakdown last year because I was under immense pressure at work that no amount of additional unpaid overtime could resolve. So pardon me for worrying about how complaints and pressure are associated and the effect that pressure can have on hard-working individuals.

 

Does anyone have all the screenshots so far?

 

Depends what screenshots you're looking for

 

Is there going to be an 80x for this? If not no worries. I know alot of work has already gone into making what's there. Just curious.

 

No, because it's still going to be set mid 2010s

 

I really cannot wait for this route remaster to be released. It’s going to be amazing.