Woah woah, don't you think you're asking for a bit much there?? Dawlish to Dawlish Warren seems like a more suitable route. I think anything else is far too much work.
I wouldn't be mad if the "new" trains for a Riviera route were just repaints. XC HST GWR 150 GWR 158 EWS 37 Plus GWR HST GWR 166 66
If we was to get a great eastern, I would like to see it in the changeover between the 86s and 90s, utilising the 86 as you said and bringing the 90 as a new addition + the dvt.
They got the GWR license back for a reason. They also got the XC license for a reason. And based on how they released the game last year we could be seeing a loco DLC released alongside the main UK route again. Obviously it’s all speculation but I think Exeter to Plymouth fits perfectly. It’s 50 miles. So the ideal length for what DTG do. They already have the 801 modelled so they could easily remodel that into the 802. The Voyager comes as the DLC like the 390 last year.
The XC license MUST be more for than just this 170 pack, its not even a new loco. I mean, XC hasn't been in TS for 10 years at this point, they lost the license because that XC voyager in TSC was taken off sale. Oh but now Rivet just randomly feel like getting it back for this pack? I think not. There's a lot of things pointing towards it being Riviera.
Bristol to Exeter is also another plausible route. It is just under 70 miles in length and through countryside...
Although for the most part, it’s surprisingly flat though you do have Wellington Bank. For a real, “Come and have a go, if you think you’re hard enough” needs to be Exeter to Plymouth with Dainton, Rattery and Hemerdon!
Now that you mention this, it probably should. Where it joins before Bromley-By-Bow till Upminster is 14 stops on the district line. And they run pretty parallel to each other. Would be nice if they decided to give the S7 tube stock as DLC.
But then DTG has to make a steam loco what they probably don’t want to do and with a 140km (87mi) long route the only chance where only a part like the Selketalbahn or the Harzquer & Brockenbahn
I wonder if it the simu graph system and how it hard to make steam locomotive for this game. one of the downsides to unreal engine i guess
Or maybe they just didn’t put in the effort for the reason not to make more because going off their logic which is easily disproven, “old doesn’t sell” Or so they say which most people don’t believe
I think 70 is too far. Especially when there are a few stations. With Exeter/Plymouth you have the right number of stations for what DTG can do and you have Newton Abbot as the mid route ‘big’ station. Let’s also remember that DTG normally always have an express component to their launch routes. They leave the commuter/slower routes for DLC. I think given what we know about their recent license acquisitions it fits that we get a route in the South West and I don’t think there’s a more logical choice given what we know about their capabilities than Exeter/Plymouth.
I disagree. I don't think it's completely impossible for it to be Bristol to Exeter, if ECML was a similar length and similar in the sense of how built up and dense it was. It certainly makes it a possibility... The more built up the area is the shorter a route is, and the more 'countryish' a route is, usually means a bit more mileage from my experience with TSW. I'm not saying I'm right by the way, I'm obviously only speculating like everyone else is. But I don't think Bristol to Exeter is a impossible for TSW and certainly falls within its 'limits'.
Of those options, number 5 is by far my favourite. A decently long run with two destinations, with a varied mix of expresses and local trains. Something like Swindon to Bristol sounds good on paper, but I can easily imagine it getting old very quickly with just IET expresses to drive. This might get me crucified but Exeter to Paignton sounds... extremely underwhelming to me? I know it has Dawlish but the rest of the route is pretty unremarkable from what I remember. It's also pretty short, and unlike the other routes you mentioned the IET wouldn't have any room to stretch it's legs. It doesn't sound appealing to me, unless the line would continue onwards to Kingswear. That would be a different story.
7 miles for the branch, and another 7 if the Dartmouth Steam Railway is added. Exeter to Exmouth is 9 miles too. Aside from the mainline you’ve mentioned at 50, adding branches totalling 23 miles take the grand total up to 73. Although it could be feasible, I see the biggest challenge of this route not being its mileage but its iconic scenery. The (in)famous sea wall between Teignmouth and Dawlish Warren, even up to Starcross, could take a lot of specific modelling, assets, textures and detailing. Sea physics would need some ‘play’, at least simulating waves or buoyancy of some kind. The boat yards would need populating with an adequately varied amount of boats, and not just a copy paste job with the same two models. Even the stations are pretty unique across the whole route! Dreams can come true, I hope..
Well we know that Rivet will play a part in building whatever route it is and for all their faults they are pretty good at modelling stations. And I have hope after how well they did with the Fife Bridge.
The irony is, all the potential Western Region routes would be far more interesting if set back 40 or so years. Fewer trains but more variety of motive power - and more freight. In the case of Swindon to Bristol TM and Parkway, even just going back to the late 2000’s would give you 9 or 10 coal trains a day between the Avonmouth BBHT and Didcot Power Station. Sadly wherever you look in the UK these days for route projects, it’s going to be a regular interval service of largely identical trains. We walk by the Wilts and Berks Canal at Wootton Bassett once a week and that parallels the GW Main Line (the bits that aren’t obscured by Network Rail’s linear forest) and apart from a 158 on the Melksham Flyer or the occasional freight with a 66, it’s a solid procession of GWR Cucumbers going about their business.
I feel like everyone says that on this forum regardless of the route... I certainly think the Riviera Line would be much more interesting in the steam era, but I don't care to see anything in the BR Blue era unless it's gonna feel massively different to all the previous routes from that period. If it's another route primarily with the 101 and 47 I'm not interested. I would love to see a Valenta powered HST mind you.
Actually Riviera Line potentially good in the early to mid 90’s. Last of the Heritage DMU’s but also Pacers and Sprinters. HST’s and loco hauled, though too early for the Voyagers. You also had the Burngullow to Irvine “Silver Bullet” running at that time, double headed 37’s! Loco hauled would also be transformed if we got a Class 50 in the game. That would light the LAMPOIL!
For the UK: Crewe to Manchester or Birmingham Birmingham - Stratford upon Avon/Kidderminster Kings X - Stevenage/Welwyn Garden City Bristol - Plymouth Salisbury to Cardiff Central For Germany: Westfalenbahn Hannover - Osnabrück/Braunschweig Berlin - Brandenburg/Potsdam/Ostkreuz Stuttgart - Karlsruhe Hamburg S-Bahn Hamburg-Neugraben/Elbgaustraße or Pinneberg Neustadt (Weinstraße) - Freinsheim For USA: SEPTA Frankford - City Hall or Chestnut Hill West - Norristown or Paoli/Thorndale Line METRA Chicago - Aurora/River Grove Amtrak New Orleans - San Antonio or Washington D.C to Chicago (Freight) El Paso - Fort Stockton, Salt Lake City to Coalville Amtrak Denver - Granby via Moffat Tunnel.
Most of the US suggestions are far too long and disregard the fact the big freight railroads are not talking to DTG and that Metra have previously shown no interest in licensing their operations for TSW.
a good dream. I visited the Kent and East Sussex Railway about 10 years ago and had a grand time behind an 0-6-0 tank engine, Being a Yank, it was a pleasure cruising through the English countryside with the smell of coal smoke wafting through the car. They did have a nice museum as well as lots of information on Colonel Holeman F. Stephens and his contribution to many “light” railways. Would enjoy seeing it represented in the TSW franchise….
My dream is to have the Riviera Line from Exeter to Plymouth. My nightmare is that the cliffs are modelled badly with repeated textures. I am originally from the Newton Abbot area, was born in Totnes and studied at Exeter college, so it would tick a lot of boxes for me. I don’t really mind what era it is set. I think we can count steam out. Even if they did bring it back, it would be dead with only one of two locos. Modern is ok there is enough existing rolling stock that with the addition of a couple of new items, it could be done really well. What I would love though is to have it set in the 90’s when Newton Abbot still had 4 platforms and Class 50’s and Valenta HSTs were a common sight. Opportunities for the 31,33 and 47 to be used as well. Probably going to remain a dream though! For the German Route I’d really like to see Berlin. DTG have said before that there aren’t really logical end points but that’s never stopped them before. An S Bahn Route would suit me. I like the bus stop style routes.
My guesses UK: South West Main Line because Waterloo is the biggest missing London Terminus in TSW. (Personally I would actually love to see Southampton to Weymouth Part of the route...) US: Hudson Line DE: I'd go for Kassel-Hamburg or Leipzig-Berlin (I'm sure they go for one of these big cities...)
Man, you come to this topic with the hope of seeing some speculations, investigations, someone somewhere saw the DTG team, someone somewhere noticed a new license from the operator, some Epic databases, etc. Instead: "it will be some narrow gauge steam freight railway in Cambodia in 1890's cause that's what i wanna see". People, please, there is suggestions forum for this kind of fetishes. At least take into account that the unofficial name of the game is Commuter Sim World. At least take into account the availability of licenses. The length of the route. The lack of desire from DTG to create routes from the past and steam locos. Because some posts here are such utter nonsense.
Sorry mate - but since people are stating what they would like to see - doesn't mean we are going to hold our breath if we don't. I would rather be honest in what I would like to have then just parroting that I am satisfied with what we are getting when I am really not. Who knows, when Hades freezes over - our dreams might become a reality... or a third party might decide - hey there is a lot of interest in this and I might be able to scratch that itch... or nothing comes of the dream. But I would rather dream than not . The posts may be utter nonsense in your mind - which is fine - but at least let others express themselves without ridicule..
This is only my desire for the game... not anything realistic. UK 1) Hastings - London Charing Cross (full route, no partial) 2) A London Underground route... its been 5 years since Bakerloo!!! 3) Remaster and completion of East Coastway to Hastings and Ore WITH Marshlink Line between Eastbourne and Ashford International 4) South London Line as seen in Train Simulator Classic released in 2014. Germany 1) Berlin U-Bahn (any line that would work)
Watching some guy going by the handle of RichyRails earlier, made some interesting predictions. UK - North Wales Coast. Personally think this is an outsider as more likely a route JT have bagged for their BR Classic era. Also Crewe to Llandudno Jn might be a bit long plus if you did have that mileage budget, let’s see all the way from Chester to Holyhead. Crewe to Chester adds very little. Europe - A Dutch route, Amsterdam to Rotterdam. I actually think this is quite a good shout. I for one am a bit jaded by constant DB Red and, while the debut NS route was ultimately a bit underwhelming, a main inter city route would have more legs. USA - West Palm Beach to Miami. Another good shout actually, something a bit different to the established North Eastern or California areas. A couple of his “also ran” thoughts don’t seem viable. NYC Subway, much as many of us would like to see it, no indication the security and access issues with the operator have been overcome. Berlin S-Bahn, well a welcome crowd pleaser but believe DTG have previously stated Berlin goes in the too difficult box.
English Route Kings x- Peterburger German Route Poppenbuttel- Blanknese S1 S11 S-Bahn USA Miami-Orlando
Interesting further thoughts re the US route. Reading back through the “DTG Stance on US Freight…” thread (a forum search for Tropicana will find it ), Matt does state they are looking at a couple of Florida routes but then went a bit coy about it. This was around September last year, so quite plausible that “looking at it” evolved into a live project by the start of 2025 with a view to kicking it out the door with TSW6. So once again, to whet the appetite or quench the thirst, a Florida route absolutely must have these included:
I have a brief prediction. If memory serves, wasn't TSW3 Southeastern High Speed Extended (from London)? TSW4 ECML (Peterborough to Doncaster - East to North of England) and TSW5 WCML South (from London Again). So that's a London, North, London pattern. So I'm guessing something in the North or South (that doesn't include London) this time based off of this. For the North, I would guess Derby to York. But for the South, I'm guessing the Portsmouth District line, like what is featured in TSC.
All TSW base routes in UK for each version have been London except for TSW4 and TSW2020. TSW1 was GWE, TSW2020 was GWE+NTP, TSW2 was Bakerloo, TSW2RH was London Commuter, TSW3 was SEHSEX, TSW4 was ECML, TSW5 was WCML
I'm wondering if the small Bakerloo Line 'revamp' mentioned last year will be in the 'take a ticket' section in this years announcement. I've always thought the Bakerloo Line was really nicely modelled, it was only the overground section that was dead. Maybe a minor update to to TOD4 with relevant AI will be on the cards? One can hope... I'd love to revisit it.
Even then, I think the reason they did the ECML section they did was because they thought the London section was "Too hard"
I'd be bitterly disappointed if it was Portsmouth to Woking like the initial TSC release. It never felt right the drive coming to an end just as you join the interesting bit and in part fast run into Waterloo.
Who did that route in TSC that included Bristol, Exeter and Westbury? I keep hoping for a TSW version of that one I’d love to see it in the hydraulic era, but I reckon that’s a long shot… modern day could still be interesting though, aside from the obvious reuse of existing stock (cucumbers, 66s of various shades, 158, 165/166) there’s scope for some more varied traffic such as the DC 60s, charter 67s, heheh even a double header 56 special if last week’s Tytherington Quarrier tour is anything to go by
I fear that too. I get that doing the whole PDL might be a bit too much, but there are loads of endpoints from Waterloo that are of an achievable length such as Reading, Winchester and Alton.
I'm trying to see if some of the frames pictures behind Alex and Matt in the announcement video are clues to the route... Last years announcement had the GWR HST announcement behind them just before they mentioned it. I can't get a clear image of the other framed images, other then the already existent ScotRail Class 380.
Could be Newcastle to Edinburgh in the late 2010s so a mixture of IETs, HSTs, 380s, 385s and a wonderful Class 91, Mark 4 set that also layers on to the other ECML DLC. I think most fans of UK routes would be very happy with that one.
