Dovetail Games Class 86 - Q&a Thread

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  1. DTG Jamie

    DTG Jamie Community Manager Staff Member

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    Hi Everyone

    On 10th July we will be livestreaming the upcoming Class 86, which releases 15th July.



    If you have any questions, please post them here. We will gather your questions beforehand, but please understand that we might not be able to answer all of them.

    To make things run smoothly, please use this for questions only, discussions are best held in the dedicated discussion thread.

    After the preview stream, I will timestamp the VOD on YouTube, post a summary of the questions and answers and close the thread, as it will have served its purpose by then.

    Looking forward to seeing you there!

    Many Thanks
    Jamie
     
  2. samuelpower2001

    samuelpower2001 Well-Known Member

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    Will this set up future routes having this stock. Do you hope for example to have a route where you can have a Pacer, an 08 etc in one route
     
  3. samuelpower2001

    samuelpower2001 Well-Known Member

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    Any changes to physics or sounds? Why is there red tape around handle also?
     
  4. FredElliott

    FredElliott Well-Known Member

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    Can you give OldVern a complimentary key for it as he has been praying for a buffet car in TSW since 1863

    I think it would be only right
     
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  5. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    Happy to pay the full grip for this one, Fred!
     
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    star#5823 Well-Known Member

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    Are we getting a damaged/ rusty version of both liverys?, or I should be asking are we getting one at all
     
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    lcyrrjp Well-Known Member

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    Will the 86 work withRailDriver? The 87 didn’t originally. Then later did, but then the newer liveried 87s don’t. It would be helpful if it could be confirmed that the 86s (all liveries) will work from the start.
     
  8. FredElliott

    FredElliott Well-Known Member

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    I think its the least you deserve my friend
     
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    There were 35 units with the Class 87 in WCMoS, how many Class 86 units are represented in game? I had a good time trying to spot them all!
     
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    It was mentioned LSL helped with the recordings of the Mk2 stock, which really showed really nicely in JTs preview with the quality of the sounds on the Mk2 is brilliant. Out of curiosity were they recorded on a rail tour, or an organised train on the mainline with LSL? What locomotive was used as reference to develop the Class 86 cab? Was it a single real life locomotive, or was the references based on historic images of the cab from the 1980s period? Or was it a combination of both?

    A follow up question to add to that if I can be cheeky, is, on PS5 at least the Mk3 stock doesn't have the distinctive squeaky noises when accelerating/slowing down of the real life counterparts. Is there any plan to update the sounds for the MK3 rolling stock? The 'running sounds' are there on the loco hauled Mk3s, but the squeaky noises that are already featured on existing HST Mk3 variations when accelerating/slowing are not there.

    The attention to detail on the 86 is phenomenal! As are the variations included, so complete credit to JT once again on a lovely locomotive and rolling stock. The working ETH that goes along with the Mk2s was a really nice touch (being able to see and hear the whirl of the air conditioning units depending on whether the ETH is turned on or off).
     
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  11. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    I was about to ask about sounds but SO95 appears to have covered that.

    So my only real question is, does the Class 86 pack get its own Journey mode on the route?

    Other than that… Take. My. Money. Now…
     
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  12. WaveyDavey

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    Will the 86s be subbing in on freight services on WCMLoS as well as passenger services?

    Will the new mk2f coaches and RMB have mixed rakes with some of the older mk2a coaches included as well as just rakes of mk2f and RMB etc…..
     
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    gwrfan#3416 Well-Known Member

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    Don't know if this has been asked but will the class 86or the coaches layer onto other routes like wcmls for (railtours) or WCL, NTP, BPO (to blackpool), GWE (DLOTGW), and NTP.
     
  14. OldVern

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    One additional question, aimed squarely at DTG. Been watching part of Tom’s stream and afraid to say the stuttering and sound squelching of the traction sounds is still quite evident. Tom was running on what seemed to be pretty reasonable hardware although didn’t say at what resolution. I have managed to contain the problem somewhat by running WCMLOS at 1080p then pushing through Lossless Scaling but the issue is still endemic in the core, regardless of how strong or weak the hardware.

    So can DTG give any assurance at all they are further optimising the performance, taking steps to divorce the audio playback from whatever causes the stuttering and hitching and whether any fixes will still be applied to TSW5 or just rolled forward to TSW6?
     
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    Far better to put Vern's face on the person serving behind the counter as a permanent homage to his quest. :)

    Unless, of course, it was thought that his face would make all the sandwiches curl. :o :D
     
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  16. FredElliott

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    Or maybe a poster behind the counter with a photo of him holding his maxpax tea and 2 pack of custard creams

    With a tagline of "Vern doesn't SPAD, so neither should you"
     
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    That made me chuckle lol
     
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    I like the idea of Vern in a poster.
    Not sure if the person behind the counter is random like the NPC passengers?
     
  19. OldVern

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    Call it Vern's Urn :cool:
     
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    Could you show the '2' camera? there's an issue where the 2 camera shows the last coach instead. This only happens when Cab 2 is used though (cab without the pantograph above)
     
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    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    I did see that right only 36 jobs on the wcml north route. Does it layer into other routes.
     
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    Didn’t get a chance to watch the stream live. Just wondered how many questions from this thread were answered, including mine about Journey Mode and performance?
     
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    The 86 does have journey chapters. Don't recall any discussion relating to performance but from what I saw on stream it looked perfectly acceptable. Without doubt, I will get it on Tuesday.
     
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  25. OldVern

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    Thanks for confirming about the Journey mode. A shame core performance wasn’t mentioned but it is what it is, the last update did make things run a bit smoother, next one will no doubt come in TSW6. If all else fails, drop the resolution a notch and put through Lossless Scaling.
     
  26. Tom19721997

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    U were mentioned in the livestream when their were talking about buffet car saying how one person from the forums will be very happy to see this being in the game now,from 1hour 6mins and 50seconds if want hear it vern
     
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    I will check it out later, thanks!
     
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  28. DTG Jamie

    DTG Jamie Community Manager Staff Member

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    Thank you to everyone who watched the stream last night and asked questions great to see you all. Here are the answers to the questions :

    • Any changes to physics or sounds? Why is there red tape around handle also?
    Physics of the locomotive are certainly different compared to the Class 87, the Class 86/2 has a lower power output and a lower high speed. The red tape has no difference against the Class 87 however the reason for the tape we believe is to stop real life drivers' hands from freezing in the winter months and give better grip when holding the bare metal of the power handle. In relation to new audio: A new horn, blowers (fan) and potentially some variation in the motor pitches. ​
    • Are we getting a damaged/ rusty version of both liverys?
    No damaged or rusty versions are planned. ​
    • Will the 86 work with RailDriver?
    Yes ​
    • There were 35 units with the Class 87 in WCMoS, how many Class 86 units are represented in game?
    There are 59 Class 86/2s represented. The only Class 86/2 that we have not included is 86211 due to being written off during the year the pack is set. ​
    • What locomotive was used as reference to develop the Class 86 cab?
    Class 86101 was visited in person with thanks to Locomotive Services Group and to Chris Galagher and 86259 was used via photographic research. ​
    • On PS5 at least the Mk3 stock doesn't have the distinctive squeaky noises when accelerating/slowing down of the real life counterparts. Is there any plan to update the sounds for the MK3 rolling stock?
    The airbag audio is implemented on the Mk3A stock within TSW. You will notice this most when running on rough track and over junctions if the coach is swaying from side to side. ​
    • Does the Class 86 pack get its own Journey mode on the route?
    Yes the Class 86 has a journey mode with 4 chapters. ​
    • Will the 86s be subbing in on freight services on WCMLoS as well as passenger services?
    No, we did extensive research and could not find any examples of them being used on freight. ​
    • Will the new mk2f coaches and RMB have mixed rakes with some of the older mk2a coaches included as well as just rakes of mk2f and RMB etc?
    Yes you will find some consists do work together with the Mk2A and other stock such as the Mk1BG. There are no consists that work however with the Mk3A Coaches. ​
    • Will the class 86 or the coaches layer onto other routes like wcmls for (railtours)
    No, this will not happen by default unless other developers implement them as part of their workload. ​
     
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