Train Sim World 6 Might Be Doomed

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  1. trainfan#6965

    trainfan#6965 Well-Known Member

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    TSW6 is coming soon but still it most likely going to be doomed like the previous TSW versions

    WHY TSW6 HASN'T DROPPED GEN 8 AND WHY HASN'T TSW6 USED UNREAL ENGINE 5, like come on DTG I know Gen 8 has a large fanbase but still Xbox One and PS4 were made in 2012 or 2013, it's 2025 now, older consoles can't adapt to new things .

    well it's worse if TSW6 was in Gen 7 consoles lol

    but nevermind, other games are dropping gen 8 consoles so why not TSW6, DTG? this is ridiculous right now, so if you want gen 8 to work on TSW6, then WHY ON EARTH IS TSW5 GAMEPLAY PACKS, FRANKFURT S BAHN, MANCHESTER AIRPORT COMMUTER AND BR 194 AND E94 RAILTOUR PACK GEN 9 EXCLUSIVE!

    we thought this was a sign that you're dropping gen 8, but NO all of this just felt like an April fools prank, so I guess we're going to be paying £32.99 for a rubbish, average route, I guess there's going to be players complaining, I guess there's going to be lots of bugs and issues

    If Train Sim World 6 had dropped Gen 8 support, it could have delivered a massive leap in realism, immersion, and technical sophistication. The removal of hardware limitations would have allowed for increased train and AI density, meaning far more services running simultaneously without performance drops. Timetables could become richer and more complex, featuring busy rush hours, freight interactions, and dynamic scenarios across a living, breathing rail network. Performance would also improve drastically, with stable 60 FPS gameplay, faster loading times, and seamless transitions across camera views, stations, and environments thanks to Gen 9 SSDs and processors.

    Route design could have expanded in scale and complexity, offering longer and more intricate tracks over 100 kilometers with multiple branches, diverging lines, and extensive yards. Major stations could be recreated in full detail without memory compromises, featuring complete concourses, sidings, and interchanges. Visually, the game could push into true next-gen territory with dynamic lighting, realistic shadows, 4K textures, and fully reactive weather systems such as snow accumulation, thunder, and puddles forming on the tracks.

    Signalling could reach new heights with realistic interlockings, live pathing, and AI traffic reacting to delays or reroutes in real time. This would result in a more believable dispatching system and red signal situations that feel like real railway challenges rather than scripted blocks. The open-world systems could be massively expanded too, allowing players to walk seamlessly across the world, board and take over any train without loading screens, and explore stations, yards, and depots without limits.

    Train physics could become more advanced, with accurate braking and traction behavior affected by load, gradients, and railhead conditions. Overhead line systems and pantographs could finally behave with realism, including bounce, sway, and spark effects. Passenger AI would evolve with varied models, movement styles, crowd behavior depending on time and location, and realistic boarding interactions. This would make stations feel alive and responsive to the environment and service status.

    Audio could benefit from full spatial sound design, where every sound from passing trains to distant announcements is placed precisely in the sound field. The immersive layer would deepen with localized station announcements, echoing effects in tunnels, and realistic ambient noise depending on the setting. Gameplay depth would expand too, including random breakdowns, on-the-fly rerouting, and railway job simulation such as shift work, task assignments, and dynamic role changes.

    well I guess that's what Train Sim World 6 is going to miss out on......

    so were cooked
     
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  2. FredElliott

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    Nice AI post bro
     
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  3. trainfan#6965

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    Just used AI for some of it to save time
     
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    Best part is the obligatory gen-z "we're cooked" at the end.
     
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    I mean all of the appropriate respect here but if you think that is achievable on a PS5/Series X then I don't know what to tell you....
     
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  6. trainfan#6965

    trainfan#6965 Well-Known Member

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    Huh?
     
  7. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Just to throw a little facts on to this doom and gloom..

    If we drop gen8 support, the single biggest benefactor would actually be us at Dovetail. It would remove a ton of internal work needed to make builds, upload and certify them, qa downloads and testing, product pages being made etc. It's enormous how much work they contribute to this process.

    So, what would it get the end player:

    First up, it would NOT deliver any leaps in anything particularly.

    We already tailor timetables and gameplay to best fit the platform - we can do unique timetables for PC, Series X/PS5, Series S, PS4 and Xbox One. So if we find xbox one not doing so well, we can just remove some stuff on there without affecting anything else. Similarly, lengths of trains, types of operations, amount of AI - all can be handled custom per platform and we have been doing that for ages. We recently add more flexibiltiy to this as part of Frankfurt SBahn.

    Signalling would see zero difference, not held back at all by gen8.

    Physics, really only down to length of trains (discussed above), beyond that, not a gen8 issue really.

    Audio, zero difference, we already do spatial audio internally and I think the game supports 5.1 outputs.

    Length of route - potentially but... gen8 can cope with a long route just fine. The combination that causes the problem is timetable size and track definition size. A big complex track combined with a big complex timetable has trouble even on Gen9 and on Gen8 we can just pair the timetable back to make it fit. Series S actually causes more issues here because it uses Gen9 assets on Gen8 memory. However even there we can put custom timetable in to make it all fit. Lastly, if we think that a project is simply not going to work well on gen8 because of track etc (Frankfurt for example) then we simply won't offer that product on gen8 in the first place, as we have been doing.

    So... it's really not the panacea that you're expecting, dropping Gen 8 is not going to transform TSW into a next gen title magically, it mostly just saves us a ton of work.

    Meanwhile, there's a non trivial percentage of people still playing on Gen 8 who would probably like to continue enjoying it and for whatever reason haven't been able to upgrade yet because not everyone has £500 hanging around for a games console.

    The numbers are dropping, I suspect GTA6 will probably make a big dent in it, and we will continue to review things.

    For now, I'd just ask that we show Gen8 players a bit of respect please, they are not "less" because they are using older machines and I am grateful they continue to enjoy the game. When they are ready / able to upgrade, there's a much better experience waiting for them but until then, drive on!

    Matt.
     
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  8. Vinination

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    Yeah drop Gen 8 so all players with older consoles dont get the GWE remaster. To hate on DTG for not letting Gen 8 go is just a proof that this someone did not think about the whole. I dont think anyone with a Gen 8 console would want DTG to go Gen 9 only, especially if there is upcoming content like the 420 being announced in TSW 2 times.

    The direct stream isnt even here yet and we dont have any information about the upcoming content.
    Maybe they announce all core routes to be the last new dlcs with Gen 8 support and everything after comes to Gen 9 only.
    Then you have routes like Niddertalbahn, Maintalbahn or Glossop line, which are relatively short and if new routes with the same complexity gets released, then i dont see the point why Gen 8 should be left out. If they keep on the optimizations and maybe make Frankfurt Sbahn style routes Gen 9 only, then i think thats the best for all players.

    If its stays with a free starter pack and new versions are getting way better with performance, then it would be extremely unfair to leave Gen8 folks out.
    Just my point of view.
     
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  9. Tank621

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    My answer, no.

    If TSW was doomed as often as people claimed, it would have ended years ago.
     
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  11. rennekton#1349

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    Unreal engine 5 would render your entire collection useless because they no longer work in ue5. The devs have already said this before, but it completely changes how routes are built and every dlc needs to be rebuilt to work in ue5 which means you restart from zero again. Also, all the fancy features of ue5 would cause even more performance issues and not look right if they are not implemented correctly. The developers have to put the effort in. The ue5 games I have played so far have a bunch of issues. I've seen issues with lighting/reflections and performance. It would not make tsw any better
     
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  12. ididntdoit

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    No it's not going to be doomed. Ue5 means a new game. So all the dlc you currently own will be gone! It will be back to square 1. Do you really want that?

    The only thing gen 8 is holding back is the people that own them. Reduced graphics, lower frame rates, reduced timetables etc. dropping it will change nothing.
     
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  13. MrSouthernDriver

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    Having this game on UE5 would make absolutely no difference, something like that would be a whole lot of work for nothing.UE5 simply doesn't mean the game is magically going to get better.


    Also, there has been little official information on TSW6, none of us have any idea what's going to be in it. Reserve your judgement for the actual direct in August

    I'm sorry to say, but unfortunately, you're talking out of your rear end. Imagine needing AI to write these stupid, baseless arguments with ZERO evidence.

    Get a grip.
     
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  14. Crosstie

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    Well, it seems that AI writing is now an accepted method of posting on the forum. I mean if the EP is responding to it.
    I must try it myself, just for a giggle.
    Can we have a tutorial please?

    TSW isn't doomed of course, but maybe original thinking is.
     
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  15. lexie

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    About not dropping Gen 8, when it costs DTG that much time, isn't it better to spend that time on current gen and pc? From what I understood from the stream, there are still a lot of gen 8 players, so commercially I can understand the choise. However, when the experience is not that great, it also can come back in a negative way.

    I'm also wondering if the HD mode can be better for current gen consoles. I'm playing on series S and do not have issues with a lower resolution, but it seems there are more cutbacks, like on AA, a less stable image and overall graphics quality.
     
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    What a load of old twaddle... Anyway.
     
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    I for one am absolutely exhausted with all these pessimistic posts about TSW6, let the ink dry on the announcement. Be optimistic, if, when the details have been announced, you’re disappointed or find it’s not for you, don’t buy it or don’t install the free upgrade.

    For goodness sake, don’t complain about something none of us know a great deal about and please stop creating so many TSW6 threads. It’s boring, annoying and frustrating. You’re littering the forum, if you find the urge to moan or complain about a premonition on a yet to be fully announced product, keep it all in one thread.

    Stop ruining the build up and excitement for those of us that actually enjoy playing!
     
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  18. lovetrains 3628

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    gen8 is supported still as there are lots of poeple stil on those platforms
     
  19. lexie

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    I don't care about multiple posts to have a good discussion. Also not everything has to be positive, it's good to speak about concerns, as this also can be good information to DTG. However this kind of posts with a lot of assumptions, bullsh*t and even shouting in caps can be marked for deletion.
     
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    The creator seems like quite an angry person.

    There are countless threads created about TSW6, perhaps share your thoughts in those rather than ones that seem to be created about an epiphany on a product we know seemingly so little about.

    As for sharing opinions, I would say only a fool forms such a strong negative opinion without knowing all the facts and basing them purely on a gut feeling or speculation.
     
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  21. star#5823

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    It’s kinda a good thing having the older consoles for now since they actually need to optimise the game for them which makes the game better for us gen 9 consoles
     
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    I wish they would finally clean up the project structure. It's just a pain to have like 50 Dostos that are all the same, but not compatible with each other and some routes.You never know what is compatible with what. It gets more and more confusing the more addons you own.
     
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    point proven; your post didn't entirely come from heart. and even if it did, we have enough of these, we do not need any more of this. since I cba to read ChatGPT-written content, I can promise you that TSW6 is indeed not doomed. watch for yourself in 2 months.
     
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    there will always be fools such as me
    who will refuse to give up on TSW
    and keep buying DLC :)
    i am doomed i say doomed!
     
  25. lexie

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    We're all doomed, and we even aren't playing Doom.
     
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    Good call... I´ve always wondered about people taking out the time to write these massive essays on the forums. But I think your right, it´s people throwing buzzwords about TSW in ChatGPT and posting it here.
     
  27. FredElliott

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    Quake > Doom
     
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    My first thought was do we really need yet another thread at a tangent about TSW6.

    Quite impossible to say whether it is “doomed” as it’s not even out yet. It could bring a whole host of QOL improvements such as the save game and be the best version of the game yet. The content pack could bring three excellent new routes and extra rolling stock with a huge broad appeal.

    And while many of us wish DTG would avoid this annual reiteration of the title, they as a corporation are not stupid and have access to market research and focus groups that tell them this process will undoubtedly be a commercial success.

    I’m no TSW fanboy, though I am a fan of the game, but for god’s sake give them a chance to show what TSW6 will actually bring to the table.
     
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  29. joffonon#1689

    joffonon#1689 Well-Known Member

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    Don't. The difference in style and tone between your actual thoughts and what AI vomits out is so noticeable, it's rightly ridiculed. The same as your previous Suggestions threads, which were similarly verbose and full of nonsensical AI hallucinations.
     
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  30. krustynuggets

    krustynuggets Well-Known Member

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    That response was a brutal virtual slapping by the medium of text, and I fully approve, you have my respect good sir......:D :D :D
     
  31. hecticjojo

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    Unreal tournament anyone?
     
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    krustynuggets Well-Known Member

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    Is that where unreal 4 and unreal 5 battle it out and the winner gets to have the next TSW game made using it.......:D :D :D
     
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  33. rigsby#3981

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    I don’t think the game is doomed. As one member said it would have ended years ago.

    As long standing user of TSW I’ve been there like most have when the very mention of a new TSW comes out.
    The pros and cons or pointless arguments over nothing much.

    All I can say on this matter personally is that the game is evolving year in year out.
    This is to give players longer routes, and over all better performance on Gen 9.
    For Gen 8 then I believe there is only so much a company can do. Because when does it stop.

    From what I hear then DTG are looking into gen8 performance and routes will still be for TSW6. I’m not sure how there going to optimise older gens but there having a go. But there has to be a time when you cut the old. It’s resources spent constantly giving things a quick lick of paint. Sometime it might cause more problems, so is it worth it.

    Natural progression means cutting the old that drags you back. Same with a company with limited resources.
    There’s always a point when things stop. PSN for PS3, support for IPhones they end because it’s not financially sustainable.

    So yes the game ain’t doomed. What a silly term to use. I don’t think DTG is in any serious financial difficulty but are now waking up to being more transparent. There is a change in their attitude towards their fan base.

    But there has to be a point when things have to stop. It’s progress and for any company in a competitive environment needs to progress not stand still wasting time and money on old products for older gens.
    I owned a Gen 8 and knew it was time to upgrade if I wanted the very best gaming experience be on TSW5 or Motorfest.
    Games are optimised for the newer gens because that’s the main console on the market.

    As a console user for over 30s years I’ve said good bye to many great games and consoles, yet I naturally progressed as the tech evolved.

    No one can hold a grudge against a company for being responsible enough to make changes and not stand still.
    That’s when they’re doomed. Stuck in the past while other competitors in the simulator market take little bites.

    DTG is progressing and if you personally chooses not to progress means you will lose out.

    So no DTG is not doomed it’s reshaping and working towards the future to survive in the current market environment.
    To provide better quality routes etc and not waste time on dead games and a dead generation of console.

    Move on man:).



    PS.
    The message is for the person NOT for Ai. Get rid of that right now!!.
    All your doing is replacing man with machine. You have a brain so use it.

    Or you will be doomed, and all mankind.

    NO Ai please.

    Tar:)
     
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    Summary of the entire post… First, check the facts! I also get the feeling this might be about fishing for likes, but that’s turning out a bit differently…

    I’m looking forward to TSW6 and I’m very curious what this year's DLCs will include. In fact, I believe DTG is definitely aware of everything going on with consoles. As frustrating as it may be, making games is not an easy path and takes time to do.
     
  35. trainfan#6965

    trainfan#6965 Well-Known Member

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    No, Train Sim World 6 add-ons will become gen 9 exclusive, it's happened to the recent Train Sim World 5 add-ons become gen 9 exclusive
     
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  36. trainfan#6965

    trainfan#6965 Well-Known Member

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    Not all of my suggestions are used with AI

    Oh and how do you know my suggestions are written by AI
     
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  37. trainfan#6965

    trainfan#6965 Well-Known Member

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    Not doomed when it releases but soon it might be doomed, if the bugs and issues don't get fixed
     
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    Thank you for being open and clear about this. And for caring about older gen users. Your right people don’t have 500quid hanging around.

    You also mentioned GTA6. I’ve said before that will be a game killer for some. It’s massive and I’d agree with any person or company that understands how GTA6 will impact future sales.

    It’s going to be massive, so my thoughts are with DTG. It will effect DTG’s younger customer base, I’m not sure how many mature customers will play GTA6. But it would mean they expect better quality and performance from TSW6.

    Guess all we as fans can do is stick together and enjoy what TSW6 will bring:)

     
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    UNSTOPPABLE
     
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  40. DTG Matt

    DTG Matt Executive Producer Staff Member

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    Has to be said, Unreal Tournament and Quake 3 Arena were PEAK.

    DOMINATING

    Matt.
     
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  41. Wivenswold

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    Can AI be angry?
    Joking aside. I agree, I immediately thought it was the You Tuber who presents his unreasonable/unfeasible expectations before getting really angry at the studio who made the thing and then complaining that everything is too expensive like inflation doesn't exist.

    Anyway, at time of writing 7.5% agree so......

    Disclaimer: None of my posts are written using AI. Some of the information I provide came from books, if anyone can remember those things.
     
  42. trainfan#6965

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    I barely create TSW6 threads, and I'm not littering the forum
     
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    I would just like to clarify that every post I've ever slapped on these virtual walls wasn't made by artificial intelligence but was made by a AI, I'm not human I'm a alien, so I am in fact a AI myself, Alien Intelligence......
     
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  44. trainfan#6965

    trainfan#6965 Well-Known Member

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    Huh, you're saying you're a bot?
     
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    M-M-M-MONSTER KILL
     
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  46. krustynuggets

    krustynuggets Well-Known Member

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    Oh boy, someone doesn't grasp or understand irony and sarcasm.........:D :D :D
     
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  47. trainfan#6965

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    Yeah but DB BR 420 is gen 9 exclusive, oh and also, I'm not hating on DTG, I never put any hate words on the thread.
     
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    I don't think someone grasps or understands the meaning of context either, their world must be so innocent and pure.......:D :D :D
     
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    Just bear in mind for PC it will be at least a year if not two after consoles before we see GTA6, so no real competition there. And, while I enjoyed all the GTA's from Vice City onwards (and it peaked with San Andreas, probably still the best video game ever made) with the onset of older years, thrashing around in high performance cars, removing NPC heads with a shotgun or trying to deal with frustrating levels that you can't bypass doesn't quite hold the same appeal.
     
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    You can never forget your first drive by shooting with the country music radio station playing "Hey good looking, What's you got cooking" as your soundtrack......
     
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