Spawning Limitation

Wanted to take a little Freight train on DRA hauled by the E94 088. Apparently thats no longer possible for what ever reason. Funny thing is : i did this exact things some weeks ago ! I was so frustrated to not be able to spawn neiter E94 or 194 on Ludwigsbahn so i took them on other routes, like DRA where i did drove this loco. But now, for no reason whatsoever its no longer possible. the spawning feature now can be easily described as non functional on PS5 anymore. Why did you take it away ?

Letting aside that it was actually advertised to spawn E94 088 at the Museum at Neustadt, its an absolute pity to bring down such a fundamental feature. Is this the sort of "optimisation"? Just stripping away features so its barely working?

Honestly going back to getting frustrated with this game every time i turn it on. Its so annoying.

"You can always spawn this Loco on other Routes with the free roam feature".... That one didn't aged well

 

I noticed this recently at the training center, too. Not just with the E94, but with some other trains as well. I don't remember which ones, though. Apparently there wasn't enough space for the train or something. In any case, some things seem to have gotten mixed up. Also PS5.

 

Hey Matt, so im not longer able to spawn the E94 088 on DRA with the free roam feature. Likewise the 194 also not able to be spawn. Its confusing as i actually was able to spawn those Locos on DRA. Not really sure what changed since then.

Generally speaking there is a huge amount of rolling Stock that cannot be spawned at various routes due to limitations.

Some examples:
DRA unable to spawn 624, 628 and all Krokodils.

Ludwigsbahn unable to spawn BR 194 and especially E94 088, but able to spawn the 1020 there ( which makes me believe that there is enough memory available as i assume the E94 and 1020 shouldn't be that much different in terms of memory usage )

Frankfurt Fulda : not able to spanwn BR 111, 624

Salzburg Rosenheim : unable to spawn BR 194 and E94 088, not sure about 1020.

Köln - Aachen : also not able to spawn 628 and 642 (normal time table)

Worth noting that also a lot of my self created consists cannot be spawn at various routes. Mostly affected are the TOD4 Routes but not only there. Especially with freight trains that consist of a greater variety of freight wagons (like tadgs, rmms, shimmns and so on)

Should also note that this occurs on both normal and expert time tables (when available)

For me personally the ability to spawn trains on routes that they are normally not on is hugely important and adds such a high variety of gameplay, its hard to get hold on by the limitations so often now.

And with some of the examples, i assume its more like a wrong pre set rather than actual memory usage (like on Ludwigsbahn where the 1020 can be spawn but the E94 not)

*Edit

Will give it a try and re-installing everything on my PS5 and see if it change things, but will take some time to give feedback on this.

 

I encountered the same issue recently, and I believe I know exactly what it is. As you assumed Matt:


And as the OP suggests, this issue is shifting with time, it expands into new places as new content is released and timetables altered. For example, for the longest time I could not run any WCMLoS content on ECML, no 87 railtours for me. But then when the Cargo Line timetable was released for it, the WCMLOS content can be used on the CL timetable, but still not the original.

The most recent change I found was probably the strangest to me. I love doing runs with the 87 on WCMLS as railtours (can you tell I love tap changers yet?), but all of a sudden the moment the 86 released and was downloaded yesterday, the WCMLoS content suddenly started getting the not enough space error on the WCMLS CL timetable, but not the original timetable. And the 86 works on both.

And none of JT's content works on SEHS and never has since the day the error first appeared, even though the Blackpool Branches 47 is literally an option in the timetable for a substitution.

Addon size and timetable diversity seem to play a part in this. The issue almost never appears on older, more simple routes from pre-TSW3. It also almost never appears on routes where the timetable is low in the number of separate classes used - GOBLIN for example runs into this issue far less than SEHS, and despite the high service number BML almost never runs into any issues at all. And as for size, I've found that the error appears far less when spawning in things from smaller loco packs rather than routes - for example I might try to spawn in the Jubilee from PFR and see the error, try the SOS one and see the error, but the one from Rivet's LMS railtour pack will load perfectly fine. The 47s from JT's routes might not load in but the one from NTP, an older and smaller addon, will. It is worth noting however that this error will never appear when spawning in trains from addons already utilised by the layers in the timetable.

Also, I have been able to reliably prompt the error to eventually appear in the timetable-less free roam game mode. You can do this by spawning in multiple different trains from different addons and 100% of the time, the error message will eventually appear, on any route including the training center. Restart and the exact same train that caused the error will spawn reliably. This is likely due to other addons 'mounting' to the route I believe, or their catalogue of stock being loaded? Because even once the error appears, the trains you already spawned will still be fine, as will any other pieces of stock from their associated addons - If the 87 works then without a shadow of doubt, the MK3As, 47s, 101s ect from WCMLoS will always work, but no guarantee that the identical 47s from BPO will.

If you ask me, this all points towards it being yet another memory issue. The message pops up because the game runs out of space to mount any more content to your session, because it clearly directly affected by the size of the timetable and the size of the overall addon the game is trying to call upon.

Finally if it helps the team track down where this issue came from, that picture I attached isn't recent. It's from TSW4 and dated from February 2024, right after the winter core update which added formation designer to PCs and even though that wasn't available on consoles, the background coding was clearly still there because the Free Roam GUI changed. That was the exact day the error first appeared.

 

When did you assign this ticket? The 'Not Enough Space' problem has been an issue since TSW5 was released. At least that's when it first cropped up for me.

 

Sorry Matt, should have been more clear in my explanation but its the "out of memory, not enough space" massage im referring to.

Great its been looked at.

 

You see, after i deleted TSW completely and reinstalled it with only german content, so less routes then i had before, spawning the E94 088 on DRA (normal timetable) now works !

So i think you are right in your assumption. Have to try out more trains now obviously.

 

Never had a spawning issue regarding whats written above.

But with TSW6 and 100+ possible dlcs, im asking myself how many dlcs can the software handle?

Nobody is gonna run every loco at the same time, but i can immagine some hardcore players have literally all the dlcs bought and installed.

So is the franchais capable of handling all the asset data, or will we have a tsw germany / tsw uk / tsw usa edition with splitted content and seperate games in the future?

 

I am somewhat one of those hardcore players. I have every single piece of UK content, because it's the core of my interest really. And I now have almost every piece of German and Austrian content, the only ones I've missed are really the tiny and insignificant ones like the rainbow ICE3 and such.

At some point I'll have to try uninstalling a load of stuff and testing places where I know the message appears. Maybe I'll uninstall all my German content and see how it works out just having UK content active, only problem then is the massive wait time to get all that content back...