Dovetail Games Expert Br 101 - Kassel Gameplay Pack Preview Livestream Q & A

Have you got a price tag please.

 

Quote: "It will be priced at €9.99/£7.99/$9.99"

 

Thanks for info how did you find that out.

 

From the Dovetail Live artice.

 

Why is it not releasing on the Epic Games Store? Already answered by DTG Alex here

 

Has Tunnel reverb being added to Kassel-Würzburg for this Pack ?

 

Is there an some sort of update coming to Kassel-Würzburg together with this, similar to how Linke Rheinstrecke received an update together with the E94 pack? I would really have hoped for at least the tunnel reverb to have been added to the route, seeing as tunnels play such an important role and it adds a lot of immersion, especially when this is supposed to be an expert level experience with the incredibly immersive 101 I love driving on other routes.

 

Obvious question as to why this is not going to be released on Epic. I mean that's a pretty big deal.

 

For those who don't subscribe to discord.......

 

Update:

 

Any news on a fix for the broken Expert 101 timetable on Frankfurt - Fulda? I know this has been talked about before, and the problem seems to be so severe that this timetable basically needs to be built anew from scratch. But considering that some IC's heading from Kassel to Fulda continue on towards Frankfurt, it would be great if the two timetables could work together (or actually work at all)

 

You are correct that the plan is to redo the Frankfurt-Fulda Expert timetable rather than fix each issue on the old Expert timetable. I have already started working on this but do not expect the fixed Expert timetable to be released before TSW6 is out (and not directly with the release of the new game version).

On the upside the FTF Expert TT will likely (subject to change, but I've already finished adding all the services so I feel optimistic) include around 12 more playable IC/EN/NJ services and 15-17 BR 101 shunting services at Frankfurt Hbf. The shunting services would include a start up of the locomotive, driving from one of the yards and then coupling to an IC formation that lacks a cab car and is either originating at Frankfurt Hbf or requiring a direction change (one loco is uncoupled and driven to the yard, a new loco is started up and coupled to the coaches on the opposite side) or taking a BR 101 from a terminating (or direction changing) IC service and stabling it at the yard.

For now it is mostly a side project since I'm also heavily working on the next Expert locomotive, but once I am finished I think the Frankfurt-Fulda and Kassel-Würzburg 2018 timetables will go hand in hand (even one of the "meme" IC formations from the KWG Gameplay pack is included )

EDIT: I'm not supposed to answer questions here, my bad

 

Thanks cwf.green for the thorough answer! I wasn't expecting it before TSW6 anyway, so take your time! I'd rather get it a bit later, than rushed and unfinished. Sounds great so far, and shunting services are always welcome

Looking forward to both the new timetables as well as the new Expert loco

 

Bonjour, j’ai vu que l’add-on n’était pas disponible sur l’Epic Games store et je suis extrêmement déçu! Mon jeu Train SIM World est uniquement sur Epic Games store avec toutes les add-on et le fait de ne pas pouvoir avoir accès à celui-ci et très frustrant…

Est-il quand même possible de l’avoir quand le jeu est lancé via l’Epic Games store sur la boutique interne du jeu dovetail ?

Si ce n’est pas possible, je vous invite après le lancement de Train Sim World 6 à ce que les développeurs travaillent dessus pour le sortir sur l’Epic Games, store. En effet, il n’est pas normal que cette plate-forme soit défavorisée par rapport aux autres plates-formes de jeux. Si les développeurs ont rencontré des problèmes, il faut qu’ils y remédient même si ça doit être plus tard.

merci beaucoup pour votre retour en espérant que vous annoncerez une sortie sur l’Epic Games, store, même si ça doit être plus tard,

 

- Are there any powered down locos to be picked up in the timetable as well?

- The article is not very specific in regards to the freight layer. What has been changed apart from the Taurus making an appearance?! Are there new formations and / or services?

 

One more question, which I hope is not too specific and technical for the stream:

- As I understand it from the article, there are certain moves under PZB (light loco). How have you solved the limitations of the dark mode implementation in TSW. As a simplified recap, a signal would need to cover 4 LZB blocks, however, each block is simply implemented as a normal signal block. This would lead to the situation that the actual signal block is indicated as free, while a train may still occupy an LZB block further down the line. Also, you could SPAD at an LZB block, as it may be occupied, however, if you run under PZB you will have no indication for it.

 

I think this is set up in a way that route from the signal to any of the LZB-Bk signals will show as dark. Which is not what would happen in reality, but still operates within rules - I believe you will still get Vr 0 and just arrive to a dark main signal with no movement authorisation further via red mast. In practice I imagine the previous train will likely be off before you get there, as PZB will force you to run much slower than the preceding train.

 

Yes, this is exactly the issue. I agree, it could simply be assumed that an LZB train in front should be long gone, however, there can still be conflicts, like, as you say, a dark signal when approaching under PZB. This could also be solved by simply making sure in the tt that the PZB train has enough distance ahead of it. But I would quite like to have this acknowledged as having been taken care of;-)

 

How many services for each type of train will be included in the new TT?

 

Hello, I noticed that the add-on is not available on the Epic Games Store, and I am extremely disappointed! My game Train SIM World is only on the Epic Games Store with all the add-ons, and not being able to access this one is very frustrating…


Is it still possible to get it when the game is launched via the Epic Games Store on the in-game Dovetail store?


If this is not possible, I kindly ask that after the launch of Train Sim World 6, the developers work on making it available on the Epic Games Store. It is indeed unfair that this platform is disadvantaged compared to other gaming platforms. If the developers have encountered issues, they should address them, even if it takes more time.


Thank you very much for your response, hoping that you will announce a release on the Epic Games Store, even if it has to be later.

 

OpenMinded noir
I'm not sure if what you described is the actual problem or a misunderstanding, because I don't recognize all of the supposed "fault modes", but I might be missing something. In any case, we implemented a fix to the BR 101 Expert (and the cab car, though that is probably less likely to be needed) that forces the LZB to disable "LZB Dark". We (developers and beta testers) have tested the light loco BR 101 services and there were no reported issues about Hp-signals not displaying Hp0 when LZB was isolated. What happens with LZB isolated (and this fix, which is live btw so you may be able to test it out on KWG) is that teilblock stops working (obviously) so you basically have to drive like 4-6km between each main signal

These are the playable services in the timetable:

BR 101 Expert: 30 services

Bpmmbdzf 286.1 Expert: 11 services

ICE-T: 19 services

ICE 3: 13 services

ICE 1: 36 services

Flixtrain Vectron: 2 services

BR 103: 2 services (TEE with Mittenwald IC coaches)

Freight: 53 services (only 20 drivable by the BR155) - I don't remember exactly how many of these services I made double-headed but it is based on weight. Probably at least 10 services are double traction.

 

Yes, this was exactly what I was talking about. Thanks for confirming the fix

 

There are four light loco BR 101 services, one of which requires a startup at Fulda (it is a two part service where the first part has you drive from Würzburg to Fulda and then the second part continues later in the day to Kassel-Willhelmshöhe).

The BR 101 is part of 5 layers.
- IC: Main IC services that are mostly running during the day except two night services that are simulated as being rerouted to SFS Hannover-Würzburg rather than the slow Nord-Süd-Strecke and two "Lr" empty stock services that are running early morning and late evening to simulate stabling of IC trains at Kassel Hbf due to space issues at Frankfurt Hbf (a real thing from time to time).

- NJ: 4 playable services (same deal as the night IC services mostly: rerouting to SFS HW, which makes for quite interesting driving since a few of these are slowed down a lot due to freight ahead)

- Light loco layer: One day time run north (split into two parts as described above) and then two more services going south and north respectively, at night.

- High Speed Parcel: The 140 km/h intermodal services with the Sggmrs 714 as with the old timetable. Unfortunately you'll have to pretend that the Sggmrss wagons we have can do 140 km/h. These are double-traction services so at least it might be interesting to drive with realistic ZDS simulation

- PbZ: 2 real world PbZ services split up into 5 parts (2 and 3 respectively). These would run between München, Würzburg, Frankfurt etc so they go back and forth. At Würzburg you have to shunt with the BR 101 between the station area and the two yards to pick up coaches (a mix of IC coaches and Dosto) and then either the AI takes over toward Nürnberg or München or you take the train to Rohrbach where it would continue to Frankfurt Hbf via Aschaffenburg.


Regarding the Taurus locomotives it simply means that they substitute on player and AI freight trains, so if you own Semmeringbahn you can drive freight with the ÖBB 1116 and you will also see it from time to time on AI trains.

 

Hello, I am addressing the developers. Can you confirm that the Expert DB BR 101 gameplay pack add-on will indeed be available later on the Epic Game Store?


Thank you.

 

One very minor issue here, but since it is getting remade...could you please rename the mistakenly labeled as ICE services in the FTF timetable? There's at the very least the ICE 1241 in the Flix Vectron timetable, and I'm rather sure about 2027 and 2029 showing up wrongly as ICE in the 101 timetable too. The ICE 1193 is in the 101 timetable also, but from what I gather a 101 being used there as replacement actually wasn't a rarity so that one can probably stay, maybe the particularity can be detailed in the service description?

 

Are there plans to add any more liveries of the 101? Or blue/white IC coaches and steuerwagen

 

The reason for this is quoted in post #11 above. Short version: The Epic build has a crashing problem, the repair of which would push the release to post-TSW6. DTG chose to eliminate or possibly postpone (no promises yet) the Epic release rather than delay the entire release.

 

Already exited reading this. Will be a great gameplay pack. Looking forward to tonight's Stream.

 

This is coming from Discord:

"Sorry, I didn't want to ignore this message for so long but go caught in a few meetings!

So, checking with the teams on the Epic reasoning - essentially we had a major crashing issue on Epic that was holding the 101 pack's upcoming release. Usually, we do our best to avoid split-releases, because outside of it being harder to share clear messaging to players, it's frustrating and confusing for everyone when a thing launches at different dates/times. After our teams assessed the scope to fix the issue, we found this would delay the release to post-TSW6, and that wasn't something we originally planned, or promised to players, when looking to share this add-on from our teams and the TSG group.

This is why we've decided to leave out the Epic Games release for this add-on. Our teams are currently still working hard on TSW6, but also reviewing the opportunity for an Epic release for the 101 pack beyond TSW6 work - to be clear though, this shouldn't be seen as a promise of the add-on coming to Epic Games in future, as we've not scoped in this development, but I'll make it clear to the teams that the desire is here from players. Thank you!"

 

A general question about what's been achieved with this pack and the expert 101. Expert locos are a challenge to make, but could what has been achieved with this project potentially inspire some 'expert' features in terms of timetables/scenarios/usable buttons to be included with future locos even if the whole loco is not officially 'expert'?

In other words, could it expand the possibilities of what a player can expect from a 'standard' loco in TSW6, TSW6, etc?

 

I'll touch on the timetable part since that is what I was responsible for on the gameplay pack (Fabian - aka Foob - did the scenarios):

- the services that include a "cold and dark" needs setup (a lot of it) so that will mainly be an Expert loco feature for now, although any other timetable author are free (and highly encouraged ) to include such services if they layer the BR 101 Expert. Just add "_BeginShutdown" to the end of the service name and put a wait node right after the service starts (ideally 5 minutes since it takes a while to start up the locomotive so if the wait is too short the player won't be able to finish starting up the locomotive before the next task becomes active)

- The other feature of the timetable is that I added a string of train data to the description (weight, length, max allowed speed, whether LZB is allowed) to the freight services and 101/cab car services. These are of course compatible with non-expert locomotives and might be appreciated by players.

I will leave the scenario discussion to Fabian who will join the DTG stream this evening, and also the TrainSimPlay stream (German language) at 17:30 (CEST)