I am suggesting the 1 line on the NYC subway for TSW Key Information 38 stops 14 miles long Runs from the Bronx (242nd Street) - Downtown Manhattan (South Ferry) R62A rolling stock 3rd rail Electrification Route Map The 1 runs from 242nd street in the Bronx to South Ferry in Downtown Manhattan. The 1 stops at popular places such as 59th Street (Colombus Circle), 42nd Street (Times Sq), Cortlandt Street (World Trade Center) and South Ferry (Staten Island Ferry terminal) The 1 goes through many popular sights for tourists and will make for a very busy route! Rolling Stock R62A The R62A rolling stock entered service in 1984 and were manufactured by Bombardier (now Alstom) I am very surprised that the NYC subway has not been featured in TSW but we have had multiple other MTA routes. If we do ever get the chance to have one then the 1 would be a great place to start! Thank you for reading my suggestion
Can't quote the exact reference, but the EP (Matt) has previously stated there is little to no chance of a NYC Subway route. MTA will not allow access to the network or trains for research purposes. The closest you will get are the existing Metro North and LIRR routes in the game.
well another route DTG could do is Staten Island railway as it is NOT owned by MTA or if not then Boston Subway, LA Metro, Atlanta Metro or Wahington DC Metro would be nice
A while ago, might be worth searching for MTA, NYC or subway with DTG Matt as the poster see what's been thrown up. Seems unlikely things have changed particularly if the reason is security or vandalism concerns. trainfan#6965 does make a good point about Staten Island, nice little self contained route (like isle Of Wight!) but just because not associated with MTA doesn't mean they don't share similar concerns - same goes for any other Metro system.
Great suggestion! A New York subway would be truly groundbreaking, especially since we don't really have many games that include it. Besides the London underground, it's also a quite well-known part of the transit system worldwide.
Well its not a definite 'not going to happen', its just a challenge. You could possibly look at images of stations on the line to get an idea of stations and have a look if there are any driver POVs on the line to get an idea on what the tunnel layout is. Maybe even (somehow) getting in touch with a driver on the line and requesting them to film inside of the tunnel (a camera in the cab) but I'm not sure of the rules regarding in the MTA. I know that in the UK they are okay with 'Drivers Eye View' videos being created but that could possibly be a challenge in the USA.
If it's anything like many train companies, they have CCTV in the cab monitoring the driver. No operator is going to jeopardise their career to grab footage for a train game. And DTG are not going to publish anything that isn't above board and sanctioned by the operator, who's first question will be if they haven't supplied the reference material, how did they obtain it? Don't misunderstand me, a NYC Subway route would be a Day One purchase for many TSW customers, myself included. However unlike the efforts done for other sims such as BVE or Trainz (not sure about the TML WOS one) a commercial high profile development needs to have nothing attached which could come back to bite Dovetail in the posterior.
? It may not be directly owned by the MTA, but who owns them is a subsidiary of the MTA, so its still MTA....
I get it's not Dovetail's fault not being allowed access to stations on the NY subway, but if JT are able to model routes from the 1980s without a time machine, then that excuse isn't particularly great.
Definitely a chicken and egg (or six and two threes) situation here. I mean, flawed though it was TML Studios (Aerosoft) must have got some sort of access for their World Of Subways 4 Line 7 which was released in 2015 albeit with a slightly retro setting. So given how frequently NYC Subway requests come up DTG could at least try and revisit. As noted, the lines are represented in BVE (if you can track the routes down these days) and there’s a whole host of, somewhat dated, Subway content in Trainz. Also any number of front view (from the public area) rides on You Tube including some taken on railfan specials. Existence of the latter would indicate MTA are not unaware of or averse to interest in their operations. If need be, reach some agreement as was done with LIRR to dumb down the operation of the train sufficiently that some malcontent couldn’t use as a trainer to hijack and take over the real thing.
I see where you're coming from, Vern, but the BVE and Trainz content are freeware by individuals and very small creation groups. The MTA's got some pretty hungry lawyers, they'd come running like sharks if DTG ever tried to release payware against their blessings and without going through official channels. That said, there's nothing keeping folks from releasing community content and mods for PC, same as the Trainz and BVE folks.
Oh I quite agree which is why I mentioned previously that DTG would be very wary of seeking any form of reference not sanctioned by MTA. However maybe they should look at doing a route set in an earlier era with technology no longer in current use.
Gotcha, I see what you mean now. It would probably have to be something from the IRT or BMT days, or even earlier, but even then I'm not sure how licensing would work (Sort of how the licensing for the major US predecessor roads are controlled by the Big Four). It's do-able, but I'm not sure how feasible it would be for a bigger dev to try to tackle it as a for-profit.
