PC Epic Games Losing Most Dlc :o

Not sure what is going on with TSW on Epic

 

That's a clever little hidden snag...
So apparently you can carry over all your content to TSW6, which clearly isn’t true, and once again DTG isn’t being transparent… What a surprise. Good luck to the EPIC store players…

 

perhaps it will interest someone at dtg:

I don't usually comment. But this action is a slap in the face for all players on Epic Games. It started with the 101 tasks DLC and now continues with the removal of paid DLCs. The train simulation player base isn't that big anyway and now abandoning all players on Epic Games isn't helpful. I'm pretty disappointed in you DTG

 

Jeez, this is flipping incredible!

 

Happy to be on Steam when I see that.

Consoles have reduced timetables and a buggy game and now Epic Games players have their half of dlc not compatible on TSW6... In addition, they are not even afraid of routes or/and old routes but recent routes and far too many DLCs.

Good luck for Epic players

 

Finally something that doesn’t affect Xbox

 

Wonder why

 

This is brutal for Epic players. Wonder what's behind the issues? I think DTG need to explain a little more about it.

Epic game store never really took off as a Steam competitor (despite lots of timed exclusives, free games, etc) and this kinda thing makes me wonder how much longer it's gonna stick around.

 

I agree, this makes me really upset as a longtime Epic player who has most of the DLC. Why is Epic suddenly getting the short end of the stick suddenly, I feel frustrated as a player who invested a lot, totally unaware that platforms are treated differently even if they're both PC. I seriously hope that something changes, or else I may have an increasingly negative view because of how much I already invested on Epic on this game.

 

Wow, expect the unexpected indeed. As an Epic Games player this is completely unacceptable, as currently constituted it will remove almost 30% of my collection in the new version. This is really disrespectful to loyal TSW players who own many add-ons on this platform.

DW

 

I'm not affected as I'm on Steam, but this royally sucks for Epic users and needs to be explained further. I would be angry as anything if I couldn't bring all my collection to the next iteration when other PC players could.

 

Probably a daft question,but whats the difference between the Epic games dlc and microsoft dlc? Apart from steam i thought all dlc came from the reletive platforms store.
All my Series X dlc came from micosoft so does that mean the older routes will work on TSW6?

 

While I'm always ready to criticize DTG when and where it is warranted, I would imagine this is not the fault of DTG and rather some oddity regarding Epic Game Store that, presumably (I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt here) DTG were not aware of prior to this release.

However, I think it would have been right for DTG to announce the limitation as soon as they discovered it, rather than hiding it in the FAQs of TSW6 after its announcement.

 

I'm quite scared of the 'If at all' part. When the expert gamepack came out that was also the message with 'we'll see when we have time'

It's quite ironic that a game cannot run decently on the platform of the makers of the engine..

 

It's probably epic asking why (quite rightly) they should host multiple versions of dlc when there is no difference between any of them except they need a brand new game to run them due to yearly releases seeing as they have to pay for hosting, bandwidth etc.

I wouldn't be shocked if Microsoft, Valve and Sony also did the same at some point.

 

Yeah, I'm certainly worried Sony will be next.

 

Thankfully I am on Steam but this and the Caltrain content situation has still made me very wary about making future purchases.

 

It refers to the store you bought it from; and to work the dlc must be bought from the store you bought the base game on.
For example, if you buy tsw on steam, you must buy dlc on steam for it to work in your game. Dlc bought from ms or epic won't work

Of course for console users this is irrelevant anyway

 

I'm not an Epic user (or even PC at all), but this really sucks.

Will lessons be learned from this and the Caltrain situation that annual releases like this are actually really consumer unfriendly?

 

Hopefully, I’m so sick of this LOVE annual releases, they all could have been updates but nnnnnooooo the market team neeedssss alllll their attention

 

Another bloody good reason not to keep releasing a new base game every year. If I was an epic player, I would be demanding all of the money I’d invested into TSW back. If this ever happens on PlayStation, woe-betide the consequences.

 

Yeah, honestly I still want my £42 from the Caltrain bs, money or three DLCs for free

 

Already smelled that something's off, when that last gameplay pack did not get released for Epic.

 

Well, Epic is as good as a dead platform for TSW in the current state. I hope DTG will fix the mess created by their annual releases. Perhaps offering free transfer of all content to steam will suffice.

 

As someone with 74 Epic DLCs, this is… No words. Not getting TSW6 after this diabolical debacle. I’m out, unless DTG finds a solution. And a proper explanation, because what Jamie posted above is a reply of a politician. The last DLC didn’t come to Epic because it kept crashing according to TSG. Is the Steam/Epic version different?

 

From that DTG answer above it seems the issue lies with them being limited to a certain amount of DLCs available on Epic for TSW6. They themselves stated that they made an analysis and picked out the most played DLCs and DLCs that layer in the base TSW6 routes to be carried over to TSW6.

So it doesn't look like there's any technical constraint on what content they could "make compatible" with TSW6 on Epic. Whatever the reason may be, we can only speculate.

 

To me, without knowing the industry, seems like an 'easy' way to resolve is to allow epic players to receive steam keys free upon production of proof of purchase on epic.

Would personally like to know why there is now this problem - and if linked to annual releases, what DTG is going to do about it.

 

It would certainly seem that way. Why would any serious TSW player who cares about their collection spend any more on Epic Games if there is this risk that parts of their collection will not migrate to the next game?

Presumably like previous years, there will be no more support for the previous game version once the new one releases. So if any bug fixes or improvements are made in the future to the content that isn't migrating on Epic Games those player are just outta luck? I'm sure they aren't gonna keep the TSW5 versions up to date for Epic Games alone.

DW

 

Thank god I´m on Steam. I'm genuinely sorry for epic players, this really sucks! I would be mad.

 

Oh wow. This is really sad. I'm not on epic but epic players have every right to be pissed

 

This is awful. My heart goes out to those who invested in TSW on the Epic platform. It means that they will have to maintain 2 versions of TSW, wasting valuable storage space. Plus what about TSW5 content that ought to layer into some future routes?

This annual debacle of transferring content from one iteration to another always causes problems and it needs to stop. There has to be another way or the yearly new game process should be abandoned. After all it's just marketing. Nothing really changes in the core that I can see. Surely any new features can just be coded in like any software update.

 

Someone said NTP is not listed on Steam for TSW6 so........

 

As an Epic player with over 120+ DLC, this is seriously a slap in the face to me. I have less of a positive opinion about the game's future on Epic Games now, and if less and less compatible content is going to be available in the future, I don't see myself purchasing future add-ons, because this is very infuriating. I really hope they do something about this. It's never the player's fault for buying on whatever platform they choose, like why does Steam guarantee it but Epic doesn't? It's very frustrating.

 

yeah, pissed is one way to put it. Day ruined is another. Any excitement about new content is completely destroyed. I don’t see myself repurchasing my dlc on steam. It’s really amazing this is allowed. Is Epic possibly in breach of a distribution contract or maybe they never explicitly guaranteed forward compatibility in their agreements. But as a consumer I always assumed what I bought would carry forward!

 

They really need to explain what happened on the roadmap stream at least and what steps they're taking to move forward to make their best attempt to resolve this, because it's not looking really good right now as an Epic player.

 

Can we get someone from DTG to explain the reasoning of this to us? I got TSW2 for free on epic way back in 2021 (looks like my first mistake) when it was free for a week, and since then have built up quite the collection of US content of what was advertised "TSW compatible content" that was described in the sense that my DLCs would be compatible in future games.

In my library of NA content alone, Sherman Hill, Horseshoe Curve, CSX C40-8W, EMD F59PH (A relatively new DLC too), BNSF SD70ACe, and Clinchfield will not be compatible. I would throw in all 3 pieces of Caltrain DLCs I own too but those are gone for a different reason and supposedly returning unbranded, although now I'm not so sure they will be for epic. 3 of these are required for accurate freight operations on Boston commuter, which was an amazing accomplishment of both DTG and the community, 1 of these is required to complete the ATSF gameplay pack layers which isn't even out yet. Another one of these are known for being one of the best locos in terms of sounds. Outside of these, off the top of my head, Oakville, Cane Creek, Holiday Express, Metrolink Holiday, and New Journeys SD40 are the other NA content that wont carry over.

This effectively breaks the chance of me spending money on this game ever again. Nearly a third (over a third including caltrain) of the dollar value I have spent on this game will no longer be available for me to access on the latest version of the game, which 100% of the time is the only version that will continue to receive updates for new content, and 95% of the time receive updates to the game itself. I take into consideration when I buy DLCs for what that content layers into for other DLCs, and that functionality has been stripped away essentially with this much smaller list of content I can now choose from.

Putting on the tinfoil hat, I would say epic didn't want DTG to put out another 100 store pages. Why this decision was taken instead of.. I don't know, sunsetting TSW2 and/or 3 pages wasn't chosen is beyond me.

Yeah, I am absolutely livid about this, I don't think there really is something to describe how mad I am about this. I built this collection over time and many DLCs ive gotten specifically to further the experience of others, the fact that 10 year old consoles still get support for most new content with reduced time tables and a digital storefront wont get access to the full experience of new content is simply amazing. I can't justify putting all that money into the game again on another platform for content I own, and should be able to play as it was advertised I would be able to do on the next game.

 

I’m in steam but honestly this is shocking for Epic players.

It’s also a warning to the rest of us that our collections are not safe, if they can do this to Epic store players they can do it to the rest of us.

DTG really need to come out and give more details behind this decision. If it’s down to the store then needs to be addressed commercially and internally but it will affect consumer confidence in buying future DLC for all players especially when considering purchasing DLC which are released towards to the end of life cycle.

Can any of us honestly feel confident in making a DLC purchase in June/July next year when we are suspecting the next reiteration in a couple of months and no guarantees that your purchase will last beyond that? Because it’ll certainly be factored into my thought process

 

Steam will probably be always OK, considering TSC with hundreds of addons is there

 

I think the only way around this is make a formal complaint to Tencent.

 

The following addons will not be carried on to TSW6 on Epic:

• The TSW5 Gameplay packs
• BR 313
• Brighton Main Line <= Even ECW made it to the list but not BML
• CN Oakville
• Cathcart Circle, and Class 380
• All BCC Addons: Centro 323 and XC&WMR 170
• DB BR 155, 218, 363, Dispolok 182
• Island Line, original and 2022
• All new journeys pack: Silver 1972, SKA 423
• Class 700
• ROG37 (Yes this thing is a layer in new UK route yet it do not survive)
• Ruhr Sieg Nord
• S-Bahn Zentralschweiz
• SCR 158
• ScotRail Express: Edinburgh - Glasgow
• Sherman Hill
• Tees Valley Line
• Holiday Express

• RRO
• NTP
• WCL
• Cane Creek
• Many other loco DLCs
• Arosalinie

 

Yes, but TSC didn't release a new paid for version every year like TSW is doing.
All users of TSC got the updated core for free, whether or not they bought the route bundles in the yearly release (although the 6 week free basic upgrade offer for TSW is kind of similar but still classed as a new game).

 

“Regretfully we will not be able to”. Meaning “Regretfully we can’t be bothered”. I hate language like this used by companies.

Clearly they are “able to” as it is the same base game that is sold through Steam and they have no problems with this.

Presumably they “will be unable” to issue refunds to previous purchasers, meaning “they choose not to”.

 

That's a huge list. Shocking.

Come on DTG, tell us why. You buried this among the launch comms and then declined to say why. Transparency, please.

 

I understand that this is a forum and there is a backlash, but I am also sure they have the legal background to be able to do this to any customer on any platform at any point of time. There is a certain licensing agreement that all of us agree to when buying or using the piece of software. In this case it might be Epic, next time its Xbox or PS again as it was with the 60GB limit fiasco. And I do not trust that even on Steam this can go forever. A DLC is now listed as 6 different separate addons, some already retired and some not, but they exist in the system. And its 100s of addons every single time. A burden for the platform as well as the customer, they will draw a line somewhere.

Under no circumstances should any customer consider future entitlements as part of any purchase, whether for TSW or any immaterial goods for that matter. They could simply cease to produce more content and you are still left with a promise in the worst case.

You buy for the product at the time of the release and at the quality of the release. If it does not align with your values simply resist the urge to be a completionist or resist the FOMO and do not buy it. I know its harsh and most players outside of Steam rarely get chances for real discounts so the prices are much high and the investment is much higher for those people. If the product does not meet the quality you expect, and we all see the bugs only after buying, use the refund as your vote and keep by your decision to not give money for subpar content.

This is a consumeristic world and a capitalistic corporate mindset in selling a product, marketing first to catch more sales, noone will change that. Ever. Unless you yourself invest personal funds and develop and release a new trainsim that is better and cheaper and runs on a potato as well to dethrone the TSW franchise from its position of being the only choice for 75% of people.

They do not have to listen. They do not have to provide answers. They would do that for PR, but why are we expecting something that was never previously done in a transparent manner and was always a reactionary measure.

Closing thought. If for any case someone wants to keep investing in TSW probably the launch day bundles will be the best price offers for all of you, until the core routes go on 50%+ sales, to get extra content. And then close the wallet, the forum and enjoy it until the inevitable announcement of TSW 7, and repeat the cycle. You will spend less than 100 bucks a year and will get 90% of the experience.

 

Somebody on discord compiled a list of addons missing (don't know who, not me)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bV8E19k0AsOpA4EtvmPKS1KoA3uPyCxqsNl0Hip5Nj4/edit?gid=0#gid=0

You lose al lot of layers everywhere

 

EGS players often get great discounts too, unlike consoles.

 

I suspect it's a limitation of Epic. Never liked Epic, and this confirms my displeasure with Epic. I'm truly sorry for those who've built up a collection on Epic. I'd advice you to abandon Epic as soon as you can. I can recommend using Steam instead.

 

My biggest fear DTG be using Epic as a test to see if they can get away with not porting older content over every year. Presumably there is a cost associated with porting for each store and if new purchases of each content aren’t covering that cost well then DTG are doing it at a lost which in fairness no business likes to do.

Personally I’m not convinced

 

I hope that's not the case, but if it is, I'm out. It'd be a big NO for me. The whole point of TSW (and TSC) is to build up a collection.