PC Epic Games Losing Most Dlc :o

That was further than I got, they explained the issue (poorly), said "heres 60 DLCs we provided, you can still play all your compatible content (this is wrong) or stick with TSW5 (completely ignoring my point of how standard practices result in previous games not being updated" and closed the ticket on me

 

Just shows how much they think of the community all they want is your money they dont care about people there the only compony i know that make there own games worse were others inprove theres even classic players better then TSW Dovetail your a joke.Heart goes out to people on epic

 

Yeah, totally respectable. Even with a priority list, this is years of TSW stuff I'm talking about. Costs thousands for me. I'm in a more cooked place. Might as well just wait for updates and keep staying on Epic. No turning back for me at this point or rebuying stuff.

 

My stance on the whole thing does not change (about EU Laws I mentioned on page 2) and More answers/info on why it's happening in the first place (Reminder that this started with the 101 Expert Gameplay pack).
Although credit where it's due, the new stuff coming to the game look fantastic.

As for now, for me atleast will keep TSW5 installed (at least it's not half bad, game still plays miles better after recent optimizations & the content we have it's accessible). Get the Free starter pack just in case the whole thing clears up (not optimistic on how fast it will be) & going back to grinding in GTA Online (Enhanced-PC) before the new leaked Mansions update comes out.

 

This is a very bad situation for the EGS player base....alot of DLC not moving to TSW6 (notable omissions RSN, NTP, TVL, BML, Clinchfield, Cathcart Circle) not forgetting all the layers/subs for future routes.

Pretty crazy as this came without warning....now EGS players will need to keep TSW5 installed to play the older content which didn't make the cut and obviously won't receive any updates to those in the future.

It would be a nice goodwill gesture for Epic players to be offered steam keys for all their owned DLC.....but honestly, I cannot see this happening as Steam/DTG/Epic stand to lose quite alot of $ if they did.

 

I'd recommend a solid review-bombing campaign on Epic if folks can do that, to warn anyone considering buying TSW6 for the first time against getting it there. As long as they still buy it elsewhere it doesn't hurt DTG's bottom line, and in the long term could make them more money assuming that new player eventually ends up buying more DLC than the Epic cap.

 

TSW 5: Expert DB BR 101 on Kassel - Würzburg Gameplay Pack (Epic Games Store)

 

That was a generalised statement, not directed at you in particular.

 

Wow. They don't know what they're doing. You know, companies have went bankrupt for this. Good luck Dovetail.

 

They wouldn't lose anything for giving steam keys. They would just miss out on that double revenue from repurchases.

 

I hate how Dovetail didn't say anything new during the stream. They are defenitely hiding something.

 

Presumably if all Epic users moved over to Steam, Epic would be losing a cut of all future DLC sold via the EGS. Steam and DTG wouldn't I agree

 

Why on earth Dovetail is getting the blame for what is clearly Epic's policy/snafu is beyond me. DTG after all are transferring over 100% of content on XBox Series X, Series S, One, Playstation 5, Playstation 4, Steam PC and Microsoft PC - but Unaccountably decide to limit it on Epic, alone?

 

We'll just have to accept it the way it is right now. It's in DTG's hands to tell us and give us updates. It was great at least trying to fight for Epic Games' players' rights to their DLC in the new game. But I won't ever rebuy anything because it will make Epic Games (and DTG since we will just be giving them double revenue unnecessarily in my opinion) win the fight and disprove all of our efforts, and like I said, would be a money burden on me even on sale. Let's hope for the best.

 

I do agree with you. However DTG haven't really said why this has happend. Even if they just said as politely as possible that it's Epics problem, not ours. Yes DTG have told us it is happening but not really why and I have felt Epic players are at least owed an explanation.
What I did like in the roadmap stream was Alex's optimistic attitude towards maybe it being resolved at least partially in the future.

 

If they can't resolve this situation, and can't give us steam keys to migrate, then they've lost a lot of customers plain and simple. I don't care if they've said they can't give steam keys before; Make it happen, or fix the situation with EGS. I am not re buying a single thing.

 

This. They have a lot of people they are going to lose on Epic Games if this is how DLC is treated moving forward. I've done everything I can to make people aware from making tickets to asking questions on the stream, posting here, etc. It's up to DTG and Epic Games to find ways to remedy this and keep players. There is no way I'm rebuying anything either, means that we're just paying extra money for no reason. If it's not the players' fault, they shouldn't have to pay the price. Let's hope they find a solution, and fast. Because we need it for sure to keep trust moving forward.

 

If it’s an Epic problem then DTG could do the honourable thing and simply not sell TSW6 on that platform full stop, until EGS recant. IMHO they need to grow a pair when dealing with situations like this. Force the issue.

 

If I was on Epic, I wouldn't even buy 6, even the free starter pack, and just stick with 5, at least until an explanation is made.

And you want to reward them by rebuying nearly your entire collection?

 

Dovetail are stuck between a rock and a hard place, as if they pull TSW6 from the Epic store, current users won’t have an upgrade path, however limited it may be. On the other hand future users may wander blindly in and start investing in DLC, when Steam is the far better option. Dovetail need to put up big warning signs to avoid this, or just pull it completely until Epic get their act together.

 

I'm on Steam but feel really bad for those players on Epic. I can't see any reason why, as others have already suggested, DTG can't offer Steam keys for all DLC previously purchased on EGS upon production of proof of purchase. And if they can't do that, they need to offer more than what they already have, ie nothing.

Shameful behaviour and has really put a downer upon the release. I was all set to purchase the deluxe edition for release date but think I'll just grab the free starter and hang on for a sale now, I don't really want to support a company that handles things this way. Despite hundreds of hours in every iteration of rail simulators they have produced.

 

I think it's more how they're handling it. As said previously, it looks like they're trying to hide something. Think back to when TSW2 was announced and they were very open and clear from the off that NEC wouldn't come across, and why.

 

I have to disagree with the notion that dtg shouldn't release tsw6 on epic as a result of this, since at the end of the day, that just puts epic players at an even worse situation. Better to have some content, than none at all, imo.

I also don't entirely understand why people keep demanding free steam keys for content they bought on epic, that's a whole bunch of potential lost sales for steam, so is something they'll never agree with, plus this is (presumably) epic's problem to solve, not steams

 

If you're getting a worse experience arbitrarily then I disagree, no reason Epic shouldn't allow for the carry forward of content when everyone else is seemingly fine with it. And if you draw equally arbitrary lines saying "Well we got to sell on X platform no matter the cost" you're just giving permission for them to bully you. Having the option to pull stuff from storefronts or anything else is a viable weapon, this is why big TV networks play hardball all the time. Sure it sucks short term, but ideally long term the ability to inconvenience people and show you're serious about potentially pulling is a powerful negotiation tactic that ensures everyone reaches the best compromise.

Far as I understand it Steam just lets you generate a unlimited amount of keys if you're a developer. It isn't like back in the day where making 10,000 copies of a game had actual material and storage costs to consider. And it's hardly a lose if a lot of said players probably aren't gonna be willing to spend $1000 to rebuild a collection. If anything there's gains long term though if that means people buy from their platform regularly after the fact.

 

It's a matter of weighing the goodwill generated by giving people access to their full collection on a new platform, leading to them continuing to buy, rather than likely abandoning your game on Epic - vs the value of forcing them to rebuy on another platform, and whether the income from those repurchases will outweight the lost future sales from people unwilling to do so who abandon the game entirely.

 

I for one am feeling somewhat vindicated right now in having flat out refused to get an Epic account all these years...

 

Vindicators was rather a good game

 

I got one but only when I thought DTG were giving us a decent hobby level route editor for TSW and you needed that to open the tool.

 

Yesterday, I opened a ticket on the DTG website to express my surprise and to exceptionally request that Epic add-on owners receive Steam keys to continue fully using TSW6.
I'm attaching DTG's response, which surprises me on two points:
- The reason for the choice of downloadable add-ons is not as stated in the FAQ (...The Epic Games Store will only support a curated selection of the most played compatible content.) but in relation to the layers of the new routes (...we've put together a list of 60 compatible add-ons, which includes content that layers onto the new routes).
- DTG doesn't mind that we're forced to play TSW5 and TSW6 concurrently. Of course, nothing is said about future updates to TSW5.

Here is DTG response of my ticket:

Welcome to Dovetail Support. My name is Chris and I look forward to helping you with today.

We understand how frustrating this news may be for Epic players, especially since it may feel unfair compared to other platforms. This does mean some route will be missing layers if the compatible content is not available. To help with this, we’ve put together a list of 60 compatible add-ons, which includes content that layers on to the new routes. Please know that we are doing everything we can to deliver the best experience possible. At this time, however, only a limited number of add-ons will carry forward into Train Sim World 6 on the Epic Games Store.

That said, none of your purchases are lost. Everything you own will remain available in the game it was purchased for, and you can continue to enjoy your content there. While we appreciate that keeping both versions installed may not be ideal, this will ensure that you can still access and play your favourite routes.

We sincerely apologize for any disappointment this may cause. We truly hope you’ll continue to enjoy your collection, whether it be in Train Sim World 5 or Train Sim World 6.

Kind Regards,

Chris
Player Experience Manager
Dovetail Support

 

Well, Epic is still giving out free games every week. I'm not refusing those. Usually not games I would've bought, but they can be good for a few hours of entertainment, or demoing out games.

Admittedly, even after getting Civ6 for free on Epic, I recently bought it on Steam. I cannot get used to Epics interface which seems so much inferior to Steam. I'd gladly pay an extra few euros so I don't have to use Epic and can enjoy the game on Steam. But it was nice to be able to try Civ6 for free on Epic first. Haven't spent a penny on Epic yet.