What Next London Route What You Like To See

If we was to have another london route what you like to see this not a suggestion it your opinion
the thing is that each route would have a new rolling stock
Midland Mainline would have to get a Class 222 a Class 60 any thing pre 700 a Class 319

Chatham Mainline only need a Class 92 for loco dlc

Chiltern mainline would need Class 168 Class 68 Class 165 use a Class 166 as a Base S8 Stock

Southwestern Mainline a Class 455 444, the 450 could use from the 350 as a base

Great Eastern Class 90, Class 321 and Class 360 Class 315 just use the 415 as a base but modern era Class 754 Class 720 and 345

Southeastern Mainline could get away with the Class 375

C2C on
So feel on to see what next London route would you like to see

 

The midland mainline including the Thameslink route to Blackfriars would be nice

 

Some of these routes could be quite interesting set in the past, but I'm biased as modern routes generally aren't my cup of tea. Chiltern could be very interesting set before the resignalling with a 115, especially if the New North Mainline was thrown in with a class 50. Although admittedly beyond Princess Risborough it was heavily rationalised. If it's a modern route I'd probably go with the SWML, but again I think it would be even better with slam door stock.

 

A nice suggestion. The Chiltern Mainline must include the New North Main Line. That then begs the question, do you also include the section from Paddington to the start of the line West of Old Oak Common?

 

My personal choice might not strictly count because it actually goes around just beyond the outer reaches of Greater London. My choice is the North Downs Line from Reading to Redhill/Gatwick and perhaps even Tonbridge. Currently the line utilises Class 165/166 Turbos but there is always scope for throwback types such as Class 119 cross country dmus, Class 206 Tadpole Thumpers with their unique use of standard loading gauge and Hastings gauge cars, and also loco hauled stock using Class 33s. For a long while the cross country TPO trains used the line as well.

 

OP should probably be in Suggestions but anyway…

It was a coin toss between C2C and Chiltern Lines and C2C won. If the while network was done would offer a great self contained world to explore. My caveat is that I would like to see it set in the 80’s with a mixture of Class 302 and Class 312 EMU’s.

Chiltern would be a bit more complex as so much stock would be needed.

 

My personal order would probably be:

1. Chiltern Mainline (if it came with class 68)
2. Chatham Mainline (if it went to Ramsgate)
3. C2C (with both branches)
4. South Eastern Mainline
   
5. Chatham Mainline (if it didn't go to Ramsgate)
   
6. Chiltern Mainline (if it didn't come with class 68)
7. Midland Mainline
   
8. Great Eastern Mainline
9. South Western Mainline

 

Almost certainly, I couldn't say for sure, but I imagine it wouldn't take too much to backdate the current model for Paddington?

 

For me it’s a cross between MML & Chiltern, but both depend on rolling stock. The former would be the 222 & the latter 68+mk5’s.

Theres less than 0 chance we’ll get them in BR days, if we had id have gone for something else, but also I have a feeling if we ever did get Chiltern, they’d do it without the 68’s - MML gets my vote.

 

I'd like to see a TSW edition of Chatham Mainline: London Victoria & Blackfriars - Dover & Ramsgate. However this version is backdated to the era of slam door EMUs, not modern. We need some historical London based routes.

For a modern option, I'd go with MML: London St. Pancras - Bedford. Give that underused 700 more to do!

 

I'd like to see a SE route from Charing Cross...

But second to that, I'd like the LTS (c2c) line in its entirety, and given the games limitation I think it would be a superb, end to end route and could be a proper 'Network' route. And also because c2c has just been nationalised I think the likelihood of it coming to the game has increased given that DfT seems very open to working with DTG.

 

The original Post Office Railway with automated mail bag loadings and special "no trains day" timetable for whenever the posties were on strike

 

A bit like this?

 

Southeastern out of cannon st. In dtg's comfort zone regarding mileage. Prefably terminating at Gravesend

 

Obviously the Great Eastern Mainline, new region, new opportunities for future expansions.. set in 2011 in the tail end of the NXEA era featuring the Class 321 and the Class 90 with Mk3s and The Dvt. Route coverage: London Liv Street - Ipswich with the Braintree and Colchester Town Branches

 

I’d like to see London Victoria & Blackfriars - Dover & Ramsgate, similar to the TSC version.
I feel like the Southeastern stock has been left to rot, crazy really as the 700/1, 375 and 465 make up a big part of London’s traffic.
I always got the impression DTG were worried about modelling or they couldn’t. Johannes is the only one who’s pulled it off really with his fine job of Stratford and the surrounding areas.

 

Something like the South London network in TSC would be great, that's such a good route with so much to see and do.

 

I'd prefer the London Avoiding Line.

 

Yea not bad idea it’s got that brutalist look about it that screams shed

 

More London Underground. I actually really like Bakerloo Line. It’s a good run.

 

All would be good routes to me, but here's my order with preferred

1. SWML (ideally 2017 or before)
2. SEML (any time that has 465s)
3. Chatham ML (2019 as it'd be the same timetable as SEHS)
4. GEML (pre-2020)
5. Chiltern ML (2000+)
6. C2C (2000+)

 

A different Southern route:

London Victoria to London Bridge via west Croydon and Crystal Palace including East Croydon for Thameslink.

Layers overground 710 West Croydon to New Cross Gate and 700 Thameslink East Croydon to London Bridge.

 

With SEHS 3rd rail terminating at Dartford there's the opportunity to do a "South East London Network" with the variety of paths available into London from Dartford.

 

For me SWML preferably in set around 1990 with Wessex Electrics, class 421 and 423 and class 455 on suburban services. Throw in a class 33 for good measure for engineers trains and the like, maybe a 73 as well. A class 50 would be useful of course on the Exeter service. I would say the only chance of this happening is if we get a more Southern minded third party on Just Trains lines.

It would still be a nice route set in recent times though.

 

Any route in London where Class 700 can be used to the fullest

 

I’d like MML but it would probably only go to Kettering or somewhere. Therefore my choice would be Chiltern, either to Aylesbury or Banbury or preferably both (Birmingham would probably be out of the question).

 

Definitely c2c all the way (or London, Tilbury and Southend Railway, to give it its proper name - c2c is a brand). Lots of scenery variety, lots of layering and AI potential, lots of gameplay variety. It's a complete end-to-end network that has it all, in my view.

Has to be modern for all the layers, but has scope for a future 'legends' DLC of old slam-door EMUs.

 

Do we really need another one?

 

Yes. It's the capital and the hub of a lot of UK routes, and adding more increases the network-style of interlocking routes.

 

I do not care which one it is
any new route with new trains is good

 

But like there’s so many other places in the uk we could get like more Scotland or whales routes, hell if we are lucky a Northern Ireland route

I get London has a ton but seriously other places exist and would be nice to move away for awhile

 

London is a bit of a means to an end when it comes to bringing other parts of the UK network into TSW. The counties to the South West of London, East Anglia, the eastern Home Counties are all missing. However, if you take a rural section of a line in those areas you're seriously limiting the Timetable options and traffic variety. Slices of a mainline only work in certain circumstances (DTG probably nailed it with the Devon route this year).

Besides, sit in one of these from Liverpool Street and you'll be outside of the M25 and into mostly rural Essex in about 20 minutes. It's not so much a "london route" more a regional route that, like most busy regional routes in the South East of the UK, goes to London.

Now look into the headlights of this Class 86/2 and tell me that trying to get this beast up Brentwood Bank on a wet Autumn evening is worth it even if it means another London termini.

 

Can say the same for the north.. and Scotland aswell, they've had a lot the past 2 years, more mainline routes out of London would be much better

 

We literally only had 3 routes in Scotland and two loco DLCs (three if you count that one 66 pack), I’m pretty London has double that at least by now.

 

In your defence I'd consider Fife Circle 0.5 routes as it is still awaiting a proper timetable.

 

Fair and same still waiting for them get a move on

 

Guessing you didn't read my comment correctly, I clearly said "Mainline routes out of London" not the short stop commuter style we have been getting for a fair bit now. Whilst they have been enjoyable we need a change of pace and new regions...

 

If it's modern era, the Great Eastern.

The Class 745s are very unique compared to the other modern EMUs in the game, and the 710 is already there to be the foundation of the 720, which would form the bulk of the services on the route.

Something like Liverpool Street to Colchester would be great, especially if the branches to Braintree and/ or Sudbury were included.

 

I voted for the entire c2c network (London, Tilbury and Southend Railway, including Ockendon and Grays branch line )

and here are the reason:
First reason: A high level of service diversity: passenger service from Fenchurch Street to Shoeburyness via Basildon, to Southend Central via Ockendon and to Grays via Rainham, the container train from and to London Gateway, and most importantly not just a simple A-B route.
Second reason: Many layers potential
1.DLR near Shadwell and West Ham, require Mildmay DLC (AI only)
2. London Overground at Shadwell (Windrush line) and near Barking (Suffragette line), require Mildmay and Suffragette DLC (AI only)
3. SE's Class 395 Javelin between Dagenham Dock and Purfleet, require SEHS (AI only), PS: some of these section were already modelled in SEHS DLC back in TSW2.
4. container train from and to London Gateway (playable)
5. LU District and Hammersmith & City line train (AI only), but less likely
Third reason: secenry diversity, from Central London to Essex Countryside, with the mixture of urban and countryside secenry.
Fourth reason: you can see the high-speed Class 395 running among you, (between Dagenham Dock and Purfleet), a great opportunity to take screenshots.
Train for this DLC
c2c's Class 357 (mixture of old and new livery)

or maybe Class 720

 

What an absurd statement…. Scotland has only THREE routes and the last one was over a year ago now… London has way more. Scotrail definitely needs more. England is spoilt with routes and I’m ok with that because some of them are genuinely enjoyable. But it’s unfair to say Scotland has had enough content… It’s still lacking. I suppose it doesn’t help Rivet have just gave up with it all though to be fair….

 

I must admit I find it strange that Rivet have stopped making Scottish routes the moment they had a decent roster of trains to use for it.
I was expecting something that made better use of the 380 from them at some point.

The line from Glasgow to Ayr, the ECML down to Newcastle, the North Clyde Line through the tunnel and into Glasgow's Eastern suburbs, the northern section of the WCML are all really good options for them.

 

Yep my point

 

Meanwhile Wales sits with one route not much bigger than the training centre.

I’d like to see someone else come up with a Scottish route, Rivet just have an odd way of route building - they always come out looking like TSW2 routes, never mind the other issues with them. Would have nice to see JT finally get up there, a nice IC run into a Scottish City would have been great.

In terms of London though, it’s a popular City. Way more people will have been into there on a train, than a destination outside of it. It’s also more relatable on a world stage so they’re easy attention grabbers.

Personally I don’t mind more London, the only issue I ever had with it was when Modern UK was only getting third rail GTR stuff. Now DTG are doing way more, it’s a good way of getting the big boy TOCs into the game & usually it offers better layering opportunities as opposed to regional lines.

AAS seems like they’ll be developing more on the NorthWest side of things, with JT obviously operating around the same area/further North. DTG have finally branched West & so I think there’s good enough focus outside of London to say, we aren’t getting too much of it now.

I do think there is a danger of oversaturating the same region though, we’re getting a lot of stuff in the same area lately & whilst it’s good on one hand, more variation would be nice to see. I personally don’t like to tally up London against Scotland etc & shout about what’s got the lowest number, but rather if we’re getting decent variety from DLC to DLC.

I’d also just point out that OP wasn’t saying the next route should be London, but simply asking what people would like to see for the next London route.

 

That one definitely hit the sweet spot.

Matt P should be obliged to stand in front of the blackboard Bart Simpson style and write that as lines 200 times!

 

SW Railway out of Waterloo for me. Would be nice if they could tie it in with the BML and Southern and also Overground to make Clapham Jn the busiest Jn in Europe as it really is.
Good destinations would be S-Hampton 1.5 hours or for shorter runs destinations like Shepperton or Alton. I’d like to see a 450 and 455, with 158’s as 159’s. A 701 could come as dlc. Yeah 1st day purchase for me.

 

Your the second person to not read my comment properly, suggest you re read it as its getting silly now, when was the last time we got a mainline route out of London that didn't stay in London? Wcml south? Near a year ago.. since then it's been London bound routes that stay in London with the north getting mouth fed repeatedly

 

Also.. how many routes has the south West and the eastern region had? Once there's more variety in the UKs many regions then i don't care whether more northern/Scottish stuff is made after.

 

The Devon route will be a good gap in the far south west but you're right, Hampshire, West Sussex, Dorset, Wiltshire, Bristol & Avon, Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire, Essex, Suffolk, Norfolk, Lincolnshire, South and East Yorkshire....all without coverage at the moment. And I also agree with the earlier comment about Wales having very little coverage too.

Lots of gaps to fill, hopefully South Western and East Anglian routes are planned for next year that'll tick off some of those listed above. Hopefully DTG are ensuring that external developers will try and bring some variety rather than further additions to the already over-subscribed North West.

 

Defo a vote for c2c - London, Tilbury and Southend railway.
In the c2c thread I’ve said many times why it would be a great route for TSW and long overdue so won’t repeat it here.

Agree with oldvern re having some slam door stock.
for me best era would be Network SouthEast with 302s and 310/312s.
Or at the turn of the century when the 357s were being introduced but you could still hunt down a 312 for journey into London whilst it lasted.
But any era it’s a great self contained route, end to end runs, lots of freight, great scenery and diversity of scenery if done well, and did I say long overdue ….

 

I'm all for London routes, but I would like to see less of those tiny A-B routes that offer barely any playability. For example Gospel Oak to Barking Riverside only offers one passenger service pattern. On the other side of the spectrum there's a route like Hastings to London Charing Cross, where you have the slow Hastings services, the fast Hastings services, and the stoppers from Orpington and Sevenoaks, and that's not even mentioning the partial services joining the route at Tonbridge, Lewisham and Hither Green.