Out Now Cargo Line Vol.4: Military - Out Now!

Harry, could you supply the links please as not available yet in xbox!!!

 

Now have it purchased, never on time on Xbox!!!

 

Why is everybody, including the developer and publisher, so sensitive about portraying authentic military vehicles, including guns and munitions? We're all familiar with such images just by watching the nightly news. Kids can buy toy tanks and warplanes. There are plenty of video games featuring such military hardware.

What's the problem? It's not as if DTG haven't shown this kind of thing before. As I mentioned earlier, the S&D had the Q1 add-on hauling tanks, big artillery and fighter fusillages. Historical and in TSC yes, but still available for sale.

 

Hiya,
I believe this is down to the rating requirements, so outside of Skyhook and DTG control. To get the +3 rating approval there are guidelines that must be followed. DTG are also interested in 'no guns, no violence' and that is passed down to 3PP projects to adhere to.

 

Except passengers potentially being mowed down by express trains of course.

Seriously though, I get your point. On the other hand, as I pointed out, DTG's Q1 scenarios are still available on Steam, explosions included at no extra charge.

 

Does beg the question why make a military add on in the first place if the equipment has to be emasculated?!

 

Quite. I assume that the Thomas dlc's require the +3 rating, so it must apply to all content.

Then, as you say, why bother with military add-ons at all.

 

Buyed today, really enjoy this pack

 

This is a compromise already, and it's actually realistic.
You don't ship these vehicles with weapons on them in real life.
You can argue if they are accurate representations of the vehicle models (which exact model is the MRAP or APC, a Warrior, an M113, a Mastiff, etc) but they aren't inaccurate from "lacking guns."
I've worked to ship a lot of military equipment in real life in over 20 years.
You take those off before shipping since they're removable.
So this IS accurate.
Now will you see tanks, where you can't remove the gun?
Probably not.
But then again "realistically" 90+% of military equipment isn't tanks and artillery guns.
An Army is mostly supply trucks to be fair.
Which also don't have guns.
And bulldozers, cranes, etc.
Few troops even touch a tank, let alone drive one.
This is pretty accurate as to what a "military train" looks like.
If anything there's not enough supply trucks and support trucks (like ambulances, command vehicles, tow trucks "wreckers") etc.
They could do several more volumes to cover all the non-combat vehicles involved.
That's not to mention the helicopters and tarped stuff which is just a shape under a tarp so doesn't need to be fully modeled at all.
Most of the actual gear goes into Intermodal "connexes" anyway, so they'd look just like the Intermodal Volume 3 pack, just with "Army" written on them.

 

I already thought that they don't transport them with guns attached

I was already wondering who didn't allow the guns, as there are many shooting games out there.
Now i am very sorry for that lovely, but deaf, cow in the mittenwaldbahn


I'm still in dubio wether to buy or not though

 

In the end it's your choice, but I REALLY like having full length 47 runs to do on WCMLOS for a change (tap changer 87 isn't my favorite)
The models themselves are very well done.
Plus it'll be nice to have more content on the GWE with the remaster.
The difference between the 47 on Shap and the 66 on GWE is night and day with the same load and it makes for a fun comparison. The Shap timetable you feel "slotted in" and the scenarios seem decent (haven't done much of them yet)
I've heard people say they wont' buy it because it's $15.00 (or 10 pounds or whatever) but I figured... I spend more than that on lunch so....
I've already gotten more enjoyment out of it in game than I spent earning that much cash at work.
But to each their own =-)

 

I will say the lower freight speeds on Shap make for a nice long drive. A full run from Carlisle to Preston can take over 2 hours, esp if you get stuck behind some other traffic.
Well people did say they wanted "longer freight runs" =-)

 

If this is all because of Thomas then I will say that addon is the biggest mistake in this game’s history,

anyways on a different note I hope we get the KFA wagon and hopefully we get other vehicles for the KWA like construction vehicles

 

TSW has always been a +3 game; DTG want the kid's market and have from the start, long before Thomas.

If you want a "grownup" train game, buy Trans-Siberian Railroad and fight off wolves with a chainsaw...

 

Any excuse to bash Thomas for some odd reason.

 

A bit hard when it’s not on damn Xbox, and you can literally buy military toys for kids 3+ but the sim can’t have some simple tanks

 

I mean I like Thomas but it should have be a real steam locomotive instead of Thomas or the whole island of ttte, not a extra addon to a realistic railway

 

Is it really that much of an issue for you?
Seriously.
Given the small number of Challenger 2 tanks the UK has right now (and less as more get retired or put into storage) the odds are you would never see them on a military train anyway.
It's a non-issue.
If people wanted more "realism" they'd demand more supply trucks and bulldozers on trains.
It has nothing to do with the "rating." It's just not realistic to see many "tanks" on military trains.
They're a tiny fraction of the vehicles transported.

As for Thomas... he's NOT a "real steam locomotive."
He's a cartoon.
And the "whole island of Sodor" would be 4-5 full sized routes in TSW easily.

I think the Cargo Pack is okay for what it is. Could have done with more variety (supply trucks, mixing up the types of vehicles) but what you do get is well modeled and well implemented for the cost of a take away meal. Work about a half hour at your job and get hours and hours of gameplay out of it.

 

Hi, yesterday I bought the Cargo Line Volume 4 Military package, but... also I bought one I wanted to to do it before...
Cargo Line Volume 1 TEA Tank package.
Due to, on TSW for Germany routes, we have only one model of tank car, as I have mentioned on the forums some times.
More different models are needed. At least include one or two more.

Well taking back about to this Military Cargo...it is really nice! I love it!

Please check some pictures:

 

But the trains seems to be a bit short!

So I added more freight cars...

 

Even I made the Cargo Line Vol 1 TEA tank, more longer with more tank cars and different colors.

 

And finally... what about take the Military pack, and send it to ... Germany?!!





I believe that Vectron paint scheme - from Creators Club - is right for it!

 

Finally... considering I am on PS5, so...I do not have Kolhn-Aachen update yet..., well at least I have some new train!.





Have a nice week-end!

 

Nice pictures. You're on PS and are using liveries? Or are those all standard?
I use Steam myself.
I think those packs can work quite well in Germany too.
Not exactly accurate vehicles, but close enough =-)
They do look a lot better mixed up and not all the same in a row.

 

I would love it if the Class 40 and 45/1 could substitute for the Class 47 on the Preston to Carlisle.

 

What do they sub in for?

 

The cargo services

 

That’s what I said in one of the previous posts

 

Hiya Adam, any chance you could have a look at the display panel for the Datacord 6100 in your 66 please - its so bright that it looks like its been ‘nuked’.

 

I guess with the strict UK firearms laws, a train driver can't be in possession of any guns, especially hi calibre machine guns!

Same principle if I forget to take the rifle out of the car and the Mrs goes shopping in it. She's not licensed to posses it.

 

Not sure if you're going for humor here....
if so.. haha?
I guess?

It has nothing to do with the "possession" of anything by the train driver.
It's just standard proactive in the military.
Those weapons get locked in an armory, or moved by armed convoy.
They have to have armed guards on them, which the contracted companies who do rail transport don't do.
Look at it this way... treat the actual weapons like gold or cash.
You don't just leave that stuff in a rail depot yard to get stolen. =-)

 

Hi guys, I'm just going to bump this up just because I noticed some people mentioning about the lack of any weapons with this new pack. If you're a PC user this might be just for you!

I decided to swap out the default vehicles with something a little more realistic (these aren't 100% true to reality as I could only get access to what I could find without spending shedloads of money on expensive models)

New "cargo" consists of an FV101 Scorpion Light Tank and an RG-33 Unimog MRAP equipped with a roof mounted M2 Browning Machine Gun.

Hope you all enjoy!

https://www.trainsimcommunity.com/m...ne-volume-4-military-vehicle-replacement-pack

 

Yep, downloaded this morning and already used it…so much better!
Tvm Spratty!

 

Cool, I have no issue with the generic, unarmed vehicles, but it's nice to see something real world.

The RG-33 is an interesting choice, I assume that's just the asset you had available?

 

I believe the issue with the Datacord is to do with the lighting - so the issue will be fixed when the GWE remaster comes out (hopefully)

 

So far - I'm really enjoying the pack, makes for a very interesting change in services and the WCMLOS services are very nice and provide a lot of gameplay!

I did notice that the new 66 doesn't layer onto all the modern routes and can only run the military services on the GWE as it doesn't sub in for the other 66s on their services. The services on GWE don't have the correct speed limits applied as you are able to go full line speed (90mph) for part of the journey without being penalised when in actuality, based on the headcode, you would be limited to 60mph the whole way. I also noticed that on the WCMLOS, the modern tail lamp is on, rather than the older lamp....
Not huge, gamebreaking issues; but I figured I'd raise them anyway!

 

That's intentional because WCMLOS is set in the 1980s before the 66 existed.
And isn't the "Vol 4" Class 66 just the existing Class 66 anyway?
It's not a new one so you're not missing anything.

 

Hello...
Yes I am on PS5.
The Railpool locomotive is the original one it included in the sim.

The other one "Rail Force One", is available on Creators Club.

Yes I know these Military pack was developed for UK.
But I tried with German locomotives - like the BR193 an BR 155, and they both works OK.

Detail: If you look closer between the Vectron and the first military wagon, the chain does not have the exact height.
But it is not noticeable when driving the train or looking from outside.

Apart from that everything small thing, it works Ok, without problem

Here you have new pictures I took on the week -end

 

I know the 66 didn't exist. I mean it doesn't layer onto all the modern routes, and yeah, it's the same as the intermodal 66 but still it's nice to be able to use it on other routes - like with all the other 66s. That's all I'm saying.

 

Yes, I was hoping to use a Foxhound, but I couldn't find one.

 

The vehicle models probably aren't exactly accurate for German military train (not sure what sort of trailers they use) but you can always use it to represent a British military movement for NATO maneuvers in Germany or east of Germany (Poland, etc)
So yeah I can see those packs working fine on German maps.
I dunno about the height, but it's basically the same couplers so it should be close enough. It's not like it's knucklers or something =-)

 

One thing I know a lot of people, myself included, were concerned about was whether the Class 86 would appear as AI on the Cargo Line Military timetable, I just loaded into service 6M00 Bicester MoD - Longtown MoD and this was just about to leave from one of the other platforms.

 

I still don't quite understand why the Military addon had to have a separate timetable? Are the results of the service completed mutually between both timetables?

 

Just Trains didn't allow Skyhook to add the Military services to the base timetable

 

Otherwise, is the timetable the same as the original, or is it completely different?

 

I think it's just a copy paste with the extra services added

 

Will the military trains still be available when GWE is released as a remaster?

 

Why would they not?
Please explain your logic.