Was The Riviera Line Made In The Correct Time Period?

Personally i would love someone like jt to do a western region era version of the route with warships/westerns and 50s possibly even a valenta powered hst. Im still going to enjoy the route as it is though it looks amazing i cant wait.

 

I can relate to that, I’m sometimes very one way when it comes to certain routes and shift more towards the modern stuff.
There’s definitely room for more content in the future for the Riviera. A BR timetable and stock would look great on this route.
I’m actually planning on driving the Class 101 on this route as it’s one of my favourite BR trains. Then a couple of runs in the 802. I like to mix and match

 

With the addition of train failures in TSW6 I think DTG missed a trick by not setting it in the era of the NBL Warships.

 

The question is not so good. In TSC you can choose, there also is Riviera line in the fifties, which I liked a lot to play. In general I prefer the old stuff. More track, more to do, clumsier more noise and so on.

 

Era is perfect for me. Hopefully a first day purchase for me while a different era would be waiting for a hefty sale.

 

To be clear, since you refer to me later as:

...I'm not asking that at all. I said that I mostly prefer modern routes with the option of older locos. I also like Just Trains' routes. It is possible not to be at one extreme or another!

 

Would love a diesel legends pack, honestly I think might have been the only happy with GWR’s version

 

So far after 115 votes it is almost exactly 90% saying it’s in the wrong era. Fancy that.

 

Wasn’t it you that said the forums are just a small part of the community lol

 

What are you talking about it shows 87 for yes it is the correct time period, and 34 who don't think it is in the right era.

The question is if DTG made the Rivera line in the correct time period. Not the wrong period.

The moderns are winning.

 

I agree I don't care what era it is I just like trains its more about the quality of the route than anything.

Why do we have to choose between the 2 is it wrong to like both the same?

 

It is and I may have said it. I may also have said that vintage content is not as popular as modern content which is also true. I may have said both these things a few times, as have DTG staff over the years.

I know, just as expected. I was making a joke based on the “90% of players wanted it in a vintage era” implied in the quote that inspired this poll.

 

Whew I thought someone might of hacked your account it didn't sound like the real Stujoy.

 

Old era routes are boring

 

Clearly modern is best, going by the poll.

Although I'd have preferred an HST purely because they're better to drive than an IET.

 

I think this is the correct era given the fact the roling stock is in place.

 

90% of people that read this post enjoyed it

 

Quite surprised at the poll results but fair do’s, the “ayes” have it.

Just hope we can still persuade DTG to do a DLOGW2 maybe adding a Class 50 to the pack.

 

Hopefully so specially after the whole chaos I managed to do hehehe, but I swear to god if we get a reskin instead of the class 42 warship or a new train, I think might lose faith in this game’s development team

 

You need to read correct
They Said the modern era is Right how it is

Classic routes suck

 

Your name is literally a German dmu first built in the 1970s so aren’t you against your self now?,

 

Classic routes do not suck and I can read correctly. I was making a joke.

 

One thing this thread has highlighted is that there is no 'correct' time period for any route. Every decade from the 1950s to the 1980s have been mentioned here, so even a historical route might not be the 'correct' era for anyone wanting pre-modern.

 

Atmospheric Railway or don't bother imo

 

Particularly with the Exeter area. I mean the 90’s and early 00’s were also fairly interesting. HST’s (Paxman) on most of the GW internal services, but still the odd loco hauled working, usually long range 47/8 by then. Sprinters and Pacers on the local service with the brief period when the heritage DMU’s came back after the 142’s were deemed unsuitable but before the introduction of Class 150’s, 153’s and return of the Pacers. 158’s on the longer distance Provincial/Wales and West services. Most Cross Country services were loco hauled with the odd HST but of course the caveat there being Virgin operating the service at that point, so a big no no for licencing.

 

People that say old era routes are boring, are even more boring.

 

You made a typo, I fixed it for you

There’s room for all eras in TSW. It’s better for the game overall to have more variety.

What gets me is when someone asks for something set in the past, you get some (not all) modern fans taking it as a threat or request to stop making modern content when that’s never the case.

I’m just glad we were lucky to have JT making the BR content. It means at least all the BR era content is top quality!

Hopefully steam will make a comeback someday too. If done properly, it would be some of the best content in TSW

 

The poll result does not surprise me at all. You just have to look at DTG's recent output to realize that the majority of current players prefer modern routes and traction. Their market research is not wrong.

However, that doesn't mean that DTG should not also cater to the sizable minority that prefers older content, including steam and freight, which they have largely abandoned.

Including all aspects of the railway, current and historical, is the job of a genuine train simulator. It requires a commitment and a willingness to take a chance, neither of which are there right now.

 

How big is this 'sizeable' minority? Forums are echo chambers and do not reflect the overall demographics of who plays and what they play.

They will have their detailed metrics on what sells and what doesn't. 'Taking a chance' doesn't cut it with big companies , if they know what can and does sell why wouldn't they just do that to keep the balance books healthy?

The classic era and steam traction will be left for third parties such as JustTrains and the risk will be absorbed by them with Dovetail taking a slice of the pie as and when they sell.

 

Well, that's why Just Trains and Train Sim Germany are producing older routes.

 

There are also third parties who focus on steam traction, but why would they move from TSC to TSW when DTG have left the core foundations in such a poor state?

There is some investment needed from DTG to get the steam physics into a good state as they are the only ones who can work on the game’s core. It’s been said by a few third parties that the current physics are why they won’t make content for TSW. In fact, one of them put his steam era route on ice when Alex said they weren’t looking at steam again for the foreseeable future.

A good place to start would be making new steam locomotives that run railtours on existing modern day routes. Making incremental updates between locomotive releases. Once the foundations are set, we can go back in time to the golden era of UK railways with an improved steam simulation.

The fact remains that we need new steam locomotives in the game, rather than reusing the Jubilee, 8F or Scotsman everytime. The Riviera Line would be perfect for a GWR Castle Class railtour pack.

Like Crosstie said, the definitive train simulator should include steam, diesel and electric traction, past and present.

 

BR Blue, yes. But the only BR Green content we have is some heritage locos for WSR, which was like the 4th or so TSW route ever made, if I'm not mistaken...

 

The class 104 I was going to be br Green I think but we will find out in a decade or so

 

I would love to see a BR Class 67 or 90 to replace the over used shed. I know people would rather see a BR Class 52 more though.

 

Was the Riviera Line made in the correct time period?

For me the correct time period is day-time but it might be that DTG prefer building the route set at night-time as, apparently, it's easier to create the scenery. Worth double checking methinks

 

That doesn't absolve DTG from producing a variety of old and new, steam, diesel and electric traction.
Just trains' is limited to maybe one or two routes a year and are not making new main line diesels. And only DTG can bring steam back. to the game.

 

Please elaborate, what about historic routes are boring or bad? I'd be interested to know.

Although I can see why DTG would develop modern routes, these don't appeal to me personally because I can go out and see these routes for myself if I wish to; short of actually being in the cab, whereas historic routes can only be experienced as they were in game or via archive photos/videos. I also find older stock more interesting as although real drivers are probably grateful of the many helpful modern features, I find the lack of driving aids more engaging.

 

It does though. And no, to the other person rambling about steam... that's also not their "responsibility."
Bugs they created are their "responsibility" to fix, but choosing specific content that YOU want is not a "responsibility."
They can make whatever they want.
Back on track and off the tangent, whether it's the "correct" time period is a pointless question because it doesn't ask "correct for whom?"
Correct for you?
Correct for other players?
Correct for DTG?
Since DTG wants to make money, it's "correct" for them since modern will make them the most money.
Other than that it's simply subjective choice by each individual.

 

Honestly I would genuinely take anything over the damn shed

 

I don’t see anyone rambling, just normal conversation.

DTG created the steam physics so by your own logic it would be their responsibility to fix, no? I just pointed out that third parties won’t work on TSW until the physics are in a better place, only DTG can fix that as they’re the only ones with access to the core.

Don’t get me wrong, I also see the issue from DTG’s side though, steam is a heck of a lot more complicated to simulate accurately to life than any modern traction because of all the various factors that go into it. Coal, water, how the fire is affected in various elements.

Still, it would only improve the game in the long run.

 

If it were a 'bug" then yes. If that's the way they intended it, then no it's not their responsibility to change it to your taste.
It's not that steam is "bugged." It's just not how some people want it to be.
If it's easier and more profitable to produce modern traction, there's nothing inherently "wrong" with that.
It's just a choice some like and some don't.
People have the false assumption that it's DTG's "responsibility" to please every player's every desire.
It's not, and it's impractical.
For example, I LIKE the current implementation of steam as do many others.
So.... you can't change it and keep it the same.
You can't please everybody at the same time.

 

I wouldn’t say it’s bugged, but incomplete.

DTG said on streams around the time Spirit of Steam released that they were going to follow up with improvements and a full manual firing functionality, there’s even a steam locomotive HUD in the game that’s currently inaccessible during gameplay, it shows you your coal and water levels. You can get an idea of what it is supposed to look like in the HUD overview in settings.

I don’t even specifically mean DTG when I hope for more steam content. If a third party came along to make it, I’d happily take it. The only issue is third parties can’t update the core simulation itself, only DTG can.

Heck, I’d even take new locomotives with the current physics if it just meant getting the ball rolling again. I don’t expect them to click their fingers and update it all in the blink of an eye.

 

Exactly this. The sim would be better with more variety. If some quality steam content had been produced then it might have encouraged some of the TSC steam enthusiasts to move across and some of the developers might have seen it worthwhile and of course we might see steam from other countries.

DTG then could rightly say that TSW caters for almost every spectrum of enthusiast and covers most of the last 200 years of railway history.

I enjoy the modern content and the sim has opened my eyes to non UK railways, but it feels very one sided.

There do seem to be some who only want to see the content they enjoy and I suspect might feel threatened by one steam route. Possibly some of the same people who were moaning after TVL was released, "why are we getting all this old stuff", those same people have been very quiet over the last five years.

JT and TSG seem to have survived releasing back dated content and from what I have seen on the formus, NTP and TVL were popular and SOS was well received when it was announced and launched. Maybe the lack of interest in steam is more down ot the parlous state DTG left it in rather than a lack of enthusiasm from users!

 

People here saying old routes are boring and classic routes suck are coming across as pretty ignorant. I find many people who whine about things being boring are often boring themselves.
The railway didn’t begin in the year 2000, I mean in this year of the 200th anniversary of our railways it seems a bit of a shortsighted attitude to dismiss anything from the past outright like that.
IMO we should take the railway as a single entity not compartmentalise it into time periods and start a civil war amongst ourselves. All trains should interest us if we’re real rail fans. I find it sad when some people refuse to even acknowledge that a train or route from an earlier period might be interesting. They are wearing blinkers and only ultimately harm themselves through their ignorance.
Yes they are entitled to their opinion but whatever happened to being diplomatic and keeping it to themselves, instead they have to shout it from the rooftops in the small minded manner of a tribal football fan.
Sad.

 

I agree with the substance of your post but there are things where I disagree.
There are no "real" rail fans, everyone can be a rail fan in their own way ,it's understandable that some people don't like certain trains or certain eras, not everyone is the same

 

At this point, I'm so starved for historic content I would get almost anything.

Modern contemporary routes and rolling stock... I already have enough of them. Where is the variety?

 

I do agree but then on the other side of things there's also a lot of people on this forum who say modern routes are boring and that it's like driving a toy train. For every person saying that old era routes of boring you've got someone else saying the same thing about modern routes.

 

I mean I do get more of an actual driving experience with my Hornby models compared to the some emus in game /j

but it’s really just master key, set reverser and then drive so kinda kills the fun compared to other stuff but saying that I do like US and German EMUs

 

Once again I feel that DTG are missing a huge beat by not having scenery layers on a route.

Would really not be hard to develop a route like Riviera, then have optional layers to backdate many aspects. It has been done by the Mod community with the Paddington route for example, I can select options that change many scenery items to give an older flavour when running the DLGW pack.

They could then introduce timetables and schemes for 60s, 80s and 90s without needing a new route to be developed.

 

I get it you want different content.
That's nice.
Doesn't really change anything though.
DTG is doing what keeps them making money.
"Coulda, woulda, shoulda"
It's fun to hypothesize and try to justify what we want.
That's the issue... different players at odds with one another.
Every thing worked on for one person is something NOT being worked on for another.
Let's play the "what if" game then.
Let's say a new steam route were suggested... which of the 3 routes in TSW 6 bundle would you have it replace?
Would you remove Morristown? Tons of angry US EMU players.
Remove Riviera Line? Tons of angry UK EMU players.
Remove Dresden? Tons of angry German EMU players.

Modern EMUs pay the bills. JT and TSG can specialize in the "older stuff" because the core is being supported by what DTG makes which is what the majority buys. They don't have to release their own games or have huge profits since the game itself is already there.
That's why I keep saying... let third parties focus!
Which of those 3 routes would you remove to release another Spirit of Steam?
What feature of TSW 6 would you remove to revamp the core engine mechanics?
Not do station announcements?
As I've said over and over... not every game needs to be everything to every player. It just has to make enough people happy to make money. If you lose more money to get less money, you lose potential money.
They chose a path to go and so far they're still in business and making okay money.
Seems to be working.
If you please 90% of people... that 10% will still be loudly unhappy.