Stuttgart To Heilbronn Discussion

Volkswagen - "Think Small"

 

It was THE freight locomotive for more than half a century. There were 850 of the things, and they were in service with DB from 1957 all the way to 2016. Some private operators still use them.

For driving, the loco itself is going to be very similar to the 110 - the real life loco is essentially a 110 with different gearing and no electric brakes - but you'll be driving trains that are very different to the ones a 110 would be used on.

 

It was the electric backbone of the Bundesbahn. The indispensable locomotive.

Not just freight: it was designed for that, but it pulled a heckuva lot of passenger trains too. More capable than the less robust 141, the dedicated local-passenger traction.

 

Oh yeah, true! Well, DB was never squeamish about putting freight locos on passenger workings anyway.

 

I presume that if the S5 is included then this would include the 423? Wouldn't complain as it's a joy to drive

 

Will we see the ABn coach in red and/or mint-green in this? We got it for the first time in silver in Mittenwald.

 

14x classes are usually mixed traffic.

 

[ZITAT="Caravatt, Beitrag: 1032011, Mitglied: 44253"]Eine angenehme Überraschung (viel mehr als die Hauptstrecke) . Sie scheint recht lebendig zu sein und erinnert an eine vergessene DB-Ära! Die alte goldene 140 ist endlich wieder im Spiel :Liebeirgendwann in ihren Originalfarben/-zuständen?)! Der "renovierte" Steuerwagen wäre auch schön! Definitiv einen Versuch wert!


Wenn Sie sich auf UIC-X beziehen, muss ich Ihnen voll und ganz zustimmen! Sie gehören seit über 60 Jahren zu den wichtigsten Güterzügen in ganz Europa!

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Hallo allseits,
Ja die Bimz wären klasse, fuhren auch mit 110 nach Heilbronn. Wünschenswert wäre wenn dann BR 120 mit Bimz (Bistro und 1 klasse auch) natürlich Steuerwagen nicht vergessen!!
Grüße Denis

 

Komm wieder? Die UIC-X waren Reisezugwagen.

 

Can we converse in English, please?

 

Not everyone can use Google Translate.

 

If you're referring to UIC-X, I have to agree with you completely! They have been among the most important freight trains in Europe for over 60 years!

Come again? The UIC-X were passenger coaches.​

 

That’s not the point. The forum regulations state all posting should be in English to avoid the place turning into a Tower Of Babel. It is easier for one person posting who may not be fluent in English to use Google or similar than everyone reading the thread having to do so.

 

I'm talking about this feature from Google Translate

 

Where are these forums rules? Theres zip in the updated code of conduct and the all seeing all knowing DTG AI bot can’t find them, so the rest of us have no chance!

 

An interesting point as I’m just passing on what has been mentioned by others. Maybe there’s a clause when you sign up. However even if it isn’t written down, just common sense and courtesy of you visit a forum run by a UK train sim developer with 99.9% of the posts in English, to stop and think that maybe I should post in English. And certainly not singling out our German friends here, if everyone started posting in their own language we would, as I said, end up with a Babel of French, German, Russian, Chinese, Japanese and god knows what else. Like it or not, English is the “common tongue” of international relations. dtg_jan or DTG Harry could you possibly clarify where the instructions are that discussions should be conducted in English, please?

 

For me, neither English nor German are native languages, but a banal translation of the entire page via Google's automatic translation turns into torture if there are several languages on the page. If the entire page is in English, you need to press one button. If there are some German fragments, it is not translated automatically and you need to manually translate what the person wanted to tell us.

 

I don't want this to drift into another forum language discussion, just my two cents (again):
In my opinion it's just a courtesy to use English on an international forum. It's widely accepted as a widespread international trade language (especially on the internet). Plus, the developer/publisher of the game and host of the forum is British, a good chunk of the game is British and a lot of people frequenting this forum are British. So using English here should come up as the logical thing to do in everyone's mind.

I get it, not everyone is a foreign language buff. My own English is not perfect either. But as has been stated above, there are quite a number of translation tools at everyone's disposal in our modern times. Use them, and reach more people with what you are trying to say

 

Coulda fooled me

 

I agree and guess what that has an active hump in real life just like Rbf Engelsdorf & Friedrichstadt. They should be trying to recreate it in game

 

Sorry about tagging you guys, think there's a basic translation error by krokischmidt#5627 . My OP explicitly refer to "stock" and not "freight train"! So we're clear solicitr ! Perfectly know that UIC-Xs are passenger stock (widely used in the past, even in my country!)! Seems like all stems from Krokischmidt trying to tag my post on the previous page, which ended... Anyway, everything's cleared up now, right?

 

I don’t have many strong feelings about the route itself. For me, it’s the 140 that excites me terribly. As others have said, she was the locomotive in Germany. When all else fails, it was a 140 who saved the day. They were everywhere and did everything.

I’m glad she’s finally coming to TSW and hope she’ll eventually get a vintage back port to LFR as well.

 

I don't know... it could turn out pretty nice, if done right. Especially for the freigt and/or S-Bahn enthusiasts out there

Hmm, the way it currently seems, the 294 will only have timetable action on Dresden-Leipzig, and might maybe substitute on other existing routes, I really hope that the 140 will see more widespread use. If swapping the 363 for a 294 is a problem, I can imagine it being the same for swapping the 185 for an 140.

I wouldn't mind if we got a vintage 140 as substitute for the 110 in both LFR timetables too

 

On the 294 substitutions, there seems to be good news:
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/br-294-substitution.93514/#post-1037046

 

The 140's a good bit shorter than a 185 or other modern locos, so that won't be a problem.

It's less powerful than a modern 3AC loco, so it won't be able to do every freight train, but since the 143 (with almost the same 1hr power rating) can sub in on quite a bit of freight, I think the 140 will have a lot to do in game too

 

I'm interested in the route. it looks busy and complicated for a freight and passenger standpoint. but then again I remember how desolate and bad the timetable was on Linke Rhein and the recent "oh our optimisation sucks and we have optional layers but lets kill off any freight to be sure" makes me question any dlc to be released.

I hope this will be a great route but as said before, the small s bahn tunnel bit or a new freight wagon after 2 years would be nice, I fully expect it to be without though. the 140 will be a great addition to the game, but adding it back to LFR? I thought only bugs got shared to older routes, not new functions and rolling stock.

 

Who did kill off freight on LFR? I did 3 services with the E94 and 365 yesterday.

The new timetable on Linke Rheinstrecke has got a number of bugs and issues, yes, but overall I don't think it's too bad. It's definitely playable and I still consider it to be vastly surperior to the old one. An accurate 140 would fit nicely into both of them.

 

Yeah, the new E94 timetable on left rhein is absolutely miles better than the original.

 

the new timetable by TSG is indeed way better than the original by DTG. Hence I don't really trust their timetables until I see them first. Usually I'd get the deluxe edition immediately as the routes seemed interesting and the stock too but with only a deluxe loco for the german route I might just wait out a sale and take the free upgrade, however much I need the 294 and 145 on my SRM project

 

To be fair DTG's German route timetables are usually pretty good - Joethefish does some excellent work. The exceptions are the early routes when we didn't have much stock. Linke Rheinstrecke is in a similar state, as there isn't much from that era, but still feels like an outlier, with both end stations really quiet for no clear reason.

 

I presume we're talking about a mod?

 

my project? yes. someone made a 2024 one as a mod, I'm working on the 2013 one the game is set in but making it properly with all the services I can, the N wagen (and wiko soon) including some shunting and yard moves too. I felt the original was lacking so went and tried to fix it myself

 

Joe does amazing work. most timetables on routes are indeed great but I've noticed recently there are more and more bugs and problems with them, including the amount of routes only having 40% of the available stock I am hesitant to run a route that is incredibly empty. I rather spend my money on a product that does get supported after release or is complete from the start. which is sad to say but how I experience the current seemingly pressured release. I feel for the devs though as 90% of the releases in the past year have had a lot of backlash I think they are not fully to blame for.

 

I am wondering about this statement:


In 2000 the two IRs per day on that route were actually pulled by a BR110 (at least between Stuttgart and Würzburg), I am pretty sure, which is obviously not a diesel loco... Anyone has more insight?!

I am also interested what rolling stock DTG will use for this service. Pretty sure we are not getting IR waggons...

 

Yeah, I think it would be electric as far as Schweinfurt: https://www.fernbahn.de/datenbank/suche/?zug_id=20000102402

I expect it will be IC coaches - maybe the Orientrot ones, or a mixture?

 

I believe to be correct DTG would have to create remodeled DR coaches from scratch- can't see them doing it for a single service.

 

It would be safer to go with DBAG white-with-Verkehrsrot stripe. In the Orientrot era IRs had blue window bands.

 

They did, but that formation shows a Bpmbkz - an IC coach, which is borne out by pictures.

 

The fundamental weakness with Produktfarben, and probably the reason DBAG abandoned it, was that the realities of daily operation led to lots of mix-and-match trains. More practical just to paint everything red.

 

Fun though wasn't it. I'm hoping we get some really colourful n-wagen rakes on this route.

 

Would UIC coaches (BM232 etc.) still have been seen on the route in this time period or had they all gone by then?

 

Mostly gone but you could see the odd one I think.

 

I imagine we will get the Br 218, as the diesel locomotive along the same nwagens that in Hamburg. I must say I would settle for that in any case.

Looking forward to this route. Now even more.

 

But I doubt the 218 will come with this route. It would be a layer.

 

Where Is the S-Bahn Underground Route to Schwabstr DTG

 

Think so, it is a TSG loco, not DTG. I see very unlikely that we get another main line diesel loco.

 

That depends on the performance of the route without the tunnel. If it works good and leaves a good amount of space for other things, then they might consider it.
56 km in length isnt much compared to other routes, but a major point will be the two huge freight yards which also add much to the timetable.
After all it is very likely they at least include the Stuttgart Hbf underground station.

I think you should not hope for more, as they likely dont want to make this route to be Frankfurt Sbahn 2.0 for the consoles.
Altough they probably only add the tracks for the cause of the timetable, similar to Frankfurt-Fulda.

 

That's a shame; I would love a V 200.

 

The New Route should Not come to PS4 and Xbox One at all.
The S-Bahn line to Schwabstr makes more sense, as any freight yard ingame, because the Gameplay is not great at all

 

They likely also don't want to make Frankfurt HBF 2.0 from Kinzigtalbahn again, with all the performance issues: low framerate, crashes, out of memory and blurry textures.