Tsw Becoming So Poor That Legal Action May Soon Be Appropriate.

"O's"

 

In fairness not a bad venue and the meal deal price compares favourably with going in Greggs or Costa though as I was driving on Thursday, as opposed to the Cucumber trip on Tuesday, could only have a soft drink. I just wish Spoons would do normal sandwiches or something like a Ploughman’s as lunch. Anyhow this is all going horribly off topic now!

 

No. It was a storm, the bloke at the counter was rude, and the only edible thing was the hash brown. I regret not going to the Burger King at Dover port before boarding. Third worst mistake of my life.

 

Do the English only eat in pubs?

 

These days it tends to be the best if not only place in most towns and cities if you want to avoid fast food joints.
We don't really have anything like Denny's or Carrow's in the UK, family diners where you can sit down and enjoy a reasonable priced and quality meal. Even the roadside places like Little Chef closed down some years ago.

 

I only eat at home, next question.

 

Ah Yes .....Little Chef.....Where a man wearing a chef's hat and whites said that he could cook me a fried egg but he couldn't make me an omelette.

"Why not?" I asked.

"Because they haven't been delivered yet" came the serious reply.

 

Instructions unclear, thread name is:

"Tsw Becoming So Poor That Legal Action May Soon Be Appropriate.",​

but poll asks:

"Are you happy with DTG in their current form?",​

so should I answer if DTG deserves legal action or if I am happy with what they are doing?

 

Usually if you are happy, and you know it, you should just clap your hands.

Failing that, legal action !!!

 

The Mrs is more likely to accept a invitation to the pub for a meal than she's gonna let me go to the pub just for a beer. Or several!

 

The 200£ council tax is absurd. I guess you could sue your council or your county/borough/city.

 

Hello everyone, neither DTG nor anyone else has put the gun on you to buy their products, after having noticed recurring problems in their products nothing and no one is stopping you from stopping all purchases with them, moreover having worked for large companies (sorry not in video games!!! lol) all had a mega service reserved for legal advisors each having their own specialty to work on all the "CGU" as stipulated in another post, not to mention the costs of proceedings, etc. I completely understand your dissatisfaction. I myself have 122 DLCs, and despite everything, I continue to play it because, thanks to the biters, I manage to get by, it's true. But the day that's no longer possible, I'll turn to another activity like many other people do. But going to court for a game that freezes your PC or the performance is mediocre despite your complaints to the creator, I find that completely disproportionate. I'm not judging you at all and can understand such anger. But honestly, it's just a game that you can stop without any problems (on the contrary, you would probably save money).
Don't take this as a rant about you, but simply the opinion of a TSW player like you for years (since 2010 with TSC).
Kind regards, to all of you, tof

 

It’s actually pretty standard or least the uk side, this it’s spilt into bands so depending on how big the house is and location depends on, that changes the price

you also have to take into a case having more than one person over 18 which raises it slightly
(Not 100% sure if this is just Scotland or the whole uk)

 

We always used to stop at a Little Chef on our annual trips to Cornwall to see the wife's family - the all day Olympic Breakfast was fantastic.
I miss them

 

No

 

The game is very poor and is becoming a cash cow but legal action is a step too far in my opinion. At the end of the day we choose to buy this game and support the developer.

 

Absolutely spot on.

 

I don't know about Scotland, but in England there's a discount for single occupancy, no discount for 2 people or more.

 

Yeah, like I said you have to pay more the more people you have and then all the other stuff like location, type house/rooms etc

 

Dovetail will continue to get away with their shockingly bad DLC and the yearly release as long as people keep buying them, which they always will. If people stopped buying their products then we might actually get more effort put into a DLC but no people will still buy every new release of TSW, people will still buy new DLC, and people still buy old DLC. Really, there needs to be a boycott of DLC until we start getting good content but the forums represent an incredibly small majority of the playerbase and such boycott would likely have limited damage on revenue.

 

Keep in mind that "voting with your wallet" almost never works — that’s the sad reality. We here on the forum represent only a small fraction of the overall player base, and the truth is that the average console player won’t care if something isn’t perfectly accurate to real life, nor will they be too bothered by some bugs as long as the game is fun for them to play. Unfortunately, that’s how it is — and likely how it will stay. The lack of real competition only makes it worse; you can’t simply switch to a “better” train sim, since most focus on different regions anyway. It’s like fast food — people don’t care how it’s made and what it contains, they just want something to consume.

 

Someone needs to create a Train Simulator that has the graphics and content to compete with Dovetail Games to give them actual competition which as far as I know they have never had.

 

You should make a petition calling for a boycott of DTG stuff, the last one worked out really well

 

A boycott would never work. These forums sadly represent a tiny portion of the playerbase and would be a small dent in the pockets of the shareholders at most, and even that is quite the stretch.

 

Want to, or will be?

I'd rather the choice.

 

Well there are other choices but none of them are exact replacements for TSW.

Run 8 for the US but the graphics are dated and there is little support for passenger operations. The e-commerce system is also quite hopeless.

SimRail - after a promising start it seems to be retreating a bit with still little movement on improving the single player game or getting the save system work properly. Apart from the Polish language servers, multiplayer is all but deserted these days.

Diesel Railcar Sim - very niche and while good, the author now seems to be abandoning it for a new project.

Derail Valley - good fun, but going around the same map long since ceased to be entertaining.

Trainz - dated graphics and no real railway operations.

The Japanese video clip driving games (Ongakukan). Dated idea, doesn't really work for the cost and HD footprint.

DTG's own Train Sim Classic. The fall back for PC users but on life support so far as future development of the core is concerned.

Then there's a few Subway type games out there, but very specific prototypes not broad based like TSW.

 

Other than the horribly outdated Train Sim Classic none of these are real alternatives to TSW. The only thing that TSC has going for it is that user generated content is a lot easier to make, and in my opinion way easier to share and make money from.

 

I just tried to get a run going on SimRail, all raring to go in my EU07 and the server crashed out. So much for MP!!

 

This poll is really interesting.

Didn't help that the OP put multiple votes on, but this poll is definitely neck and neck.

 

It certainly was. It ran rings (5 I believe) around the Wimpy equivalent.

 

Yes multiple voting is a right pain.
I've now voted "Yes" 122 times and still can't keep up with the "No's"

 

Legal actions, boycott attempts and countless chats about how DTG is going downhill. All of this is just ridiculous.
I agree, DTG could do better and should stop the yearly releases, especially after the many issues the "new" game has, but I do not agree with many things said here on the forum.
Not even 2 years ago, I could have come here to read about what others think about an upcoming dlc and actually gain new infos I didnt know before.
Now I look at this part of the forum and only see dozens of threads filled with pointless hate and exaggerated argumentations about even the smallest bugs or things the developers already confirmed countless times not to be an easy fix like many would think.
The saddest part is that most of these discussions are directed not only against DTG but also against other users, just because they have different experiences with the game and are immediately framed as blinded DTG supporters, without any chance to explain their opinion.
If you can write formal criticism, like many here already do, and you continue to do so to change the games future for the better, I am the last one to argument against it.

Just ask yourself, if you were a developer at DTG and you would look at these threads, would you rather acknowledge those who explain their point without accusing you or those who do accuse you without any reasonable arguments?

 

And not everyone on the forums would "boycott" TSW, in fact I would say only a minority would.

 

It is a shame that we have to resort to calling useless boycotts to get good DLC. Such things shouldn't have to happen, especially when said DLC is usually £30 EACH, and in practise much more if you want the "full experience" with all the layers.

 

The community have made PC mods fixing issues that Dovetail has refused to fix for years as well. When an unpaid modder living in his mum's basement does a better job within weeks of a release than a multimillion-pound company can with its developers and beta testers in years then that shows that there is something wrong with the company because this is completely absurd and anyone who defends these practices from Dovetail Games are believing an absurd opinion.

Take Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 for instance. When the game launched around a year ago it was a buggy mess that was unplayable for most for several weeks at launch. However, where Dovetail would do the bare minimum, Microsoft fixed most of the problems. Yes it took a while and yes there are still issues but they have fixed most of the problems which were stopped many people (including myself) from switching over! Now MSFS2024 is perfectly playable (at least for me; I have heard of others having issues). It took them a while and was frustrating but Microsoft fixed the game. However, Dovetail Games doesn't do that. There are bugs in the core game and DLC that still haven't been fixed years after they were discovered, despite multiple promises that they would be fixed and they almost never listen to the community.

Dovetail Games are arguably almost as bad as EA, Ubisoft, and Nintendo in some way. Unless their profits are directly threatened they don't fix it. Take FIFA/FC, for example. Career Mode has had bugs for years that haven't been fixed because it is not a source of income for EA, but Ultimate Team is a source of income, so as soon as an issue crops up with Ultimate Team, that has the potential to affect their profits as their customers will stop buying FIFA points, so it gets fixed.

I understand that at the end of the day, Dovetail Games is a business and needs to make money to stay afloat, but their continued actions and the launch of Birmingham-Crewe (especially on console) are shocking.

Legal Action is too far and would likely get thrown out before a judge is even seen and a boycott would never be able to garner enough traction to do enough damage.
The only way I realistically see this "thing" going away is if Dovetail Games get realistic competition with a Train Simulator that can rival Train Sim World, which I also don't see happening any time soon.
At the end of the day, if you don't like the product, don't buy it. However, people still buy it, even after the negative criticism.

 

He made a pretty clear distinction in his post between those who offer constructive criticism and those who don't.

 

Plenty of people offer constructive criticism. In fact 99 percent do.

They stop offering constructive criticism when they arnt responded too after a long length of time. It’s called getting fed up.

 

That's abusive and should be reported.

 

Frustration with the game is getting the better of us, I'm sure you're all nice chaps in real life, so let's just agree to disagree for the moment.

I understand tempers are flaring from the frustration of the continuous core issues and I share them, but it's not worth getting a ban for or for name calling etc...

It is best to just take a few hours off of the forum, re calibrate the old brain and come back. Not worth a ban either when everyone involved usually offers interesting perspectives and good debates on the forum and I'd hate for any participating member to disappear over something so small.

 

It’s certainly frustrating when expensive dlc is released broken and some people on here decide it’s the customers who are being unreasonable on the poor folks at dovetail and the developers, in the main because they feel like their fun is shattered by negativity. It’s bizarre.

 

I honestly am impressed how you just assume I were talking to you in the first place.
I have never quoted any of your messages and here we are, with you just keeping to insult me for whatever reason.
One thing i wanted to bring up in my first message is about forum users just letting their frustration out on other users, which is something that shouldnt happen at all.
Now i see you, the first one who replied to my message, insulted me in the first sentence.
To remember you of a simple fact, just because you say its not an insult does not mean it isnt one to me.

 

this is what you wrote:

“Just ask yourself, if you were a developer at DTG and you would look at these threads, would you rather acknowledge those who explain their point without accusing you or those who do accuse you without any reasonable arguments?”

Talk about out of touch. Reasonable arguments? The dlc doesn’t work as advertised, same as the ones before it, same before that. What are the unreasonable arguments people are presenting?

That’s why I pulled you up over your post and called it idiotic. We need people to stand up a bit and pull dtg up over this practice which has been going on for years and has been especially bad the last two years, not give them an easy out.

 

“Unwatch thread”

 

Feels to me like you are searching for new points here, rather than trying to defend your other statements from some hours ago.
To be fair, there is nothing to defend once you realize your previous points were just insulting someone you dont know at all, simply for having a different opinion.

For the new part you brought up, i never said there are no people bringing up valid arguments, i especially pointed out there are people who do and you seemingly just skipped that part. Neither did i say that people should stop pushing DTG into fixing things, which also just has been left out by you.

 

Tell that to Ubisoft

 

This need to be lock before it get out of control

 

Back to the OP, it would never hold up in court…

“M’lud, I call Old Vern to the witness stand.”

“Old Vern, you at times have been quite a vocal critic of TSW. Describe your most recent experience in the game?”

“Er, well last night I fired up the Bernina Line and had a great time coupling up log cars then setting off up the hill towards Alp Grum.”

“Ah, I see.”

M’lud dons the black cap. “Case dismissed, costs to the plaintiff.”

 

Yes better lock it before this violence spills out of control and someone gets a finger strain from furiously typing.

 

You traitor Vernon