Route Too Many Of German And British Routes

They are good route suggestions but there are too many UK and DE routes,
why just don't look out to more countries, you know what it is the Netherlands made his fiirst
debut with zwolle - Groningen The Dutch Railways also has a nice appearance in train stations landscapes,
which also has more Dutch Routes are being worked with France Spain Italy Belguim and so on. that is your
variation by just bringing UK and DE routes just think of something else because life does not just turn to United Kingdom and Germany, if we are talking about wheels over the rails in a train or freight is transported Passengers are transported that interests me pretty little, it's just overflows from Germany routes and british routes, so it believes that the latter is being desperately done at the right suggestions when it comes to UK or DE, live with the rest of the world...

 

Maybe because the majority of users here are UK or Germany based. It's kind of hard for someone to put together a suggestion for a route they know very little about, and most people in general probably like to suggest routes that they have some sort of connection to.

 

That's exactly right! You said it all.

They focus too much on the United Kingdom, Germany and the United States, when there are lots of other countries to discover that are much better for a lot of people.

They've added so many lines and trains in these three countries that in the three new lines in each starter set, you can see that they're recycling trains. Always the same ones, of course! Except for the three trains in the deluxe editions, but those are from the same family as other existing trains, such as the two trains from the United States and Germany this year on TSW6.

They are still trying to explore new countries, such as the Netherlands, Japan, Portugal and the Czech Republic, but why not develop the excellent France they started with the LGV Méditerranée! Why not explore Portugal's neighbour, Spain, instead? Why not Italy and Belgium, as you said?

Personally, I have a dream: a totally exotic country for the licence, like a country in Africa or South America! Why not Morocco

 

Thanks
someone who agrees with me for once

 

Although I’m British, starting to get fed up with the preponderance of UK routes, particularly as so many are very similar.

If DTG want me to keep buying DLC they need to spread their wings, licensing permitting. Let’s get into Scandinavia, Italy, Eastern Europe, Australia/New Zealand, South America. If the politics eventually permit it, Russia. Look at China and India too.

 

TSC and TSW have always been focused mainly on the UK (where DTG are based), Germany and the USA.

It is safe to say that DTG follow the money like all good businesses. While we'll never know for certain what sells and what doesn't, you can pretty much assume that their releases reflect what makes them a profit. Modern and GB/D/USA content. They test the market with releases in other countries and I agree that it would be nice to see content from other countries but it very much depends on where developers are based. UK-based developers will generally research and build UK routes, DTG's German route-builders usually premier new German routes on the streams.

So I would say that the issue is that there aren't enough developers in other countries.

I would also urge those who want to see routes in other parts of the world to put together a detailed and compelling case for a specific route in the Suggestion thread that's a reasonable size for TSW and has a busy-enough service for the Timetable.

Or go one better, have a play with the editor and see if you can become a developer of routes and traction in your own country. That way everyone wins.

 

Well with all due respect like it or not dtg are uk based and uk will always feature people carping about uk routes won’t change that period

 

Eh ouais tonton, on est là pour faire entendre nos voix !

It's understandable that people tend to go toward what made them railfans, hence the BR blue era passion.
I myself was at pain to leave the old french stock when switching from MSTS to Railworks once. Then I discovered the British railways. And now I love them ! Even prefer them over contemporary French railways.
There's nothing like the sleeper creeping through the WHL !
Plus, don't forget the W in TSW !

 

I definitely don't want less UK routes, but there are definitely some other countries that'd be amazing in TSW.

Switzerland has 3 routes, 2 of which are narrow gauge lines and the 1 standard gauge line we have is quite a poor attempt. There's so much potential in the Swiss railway network, from the Zurich S-Bahn to their own Pendolino trains.

I'd also love more Dutch routes, because the one line we do have is probably one of the least interesting lines in the country, even if it is well made.

Canada also has one route, and while there are gorgeous landscapes in Canada such as the Rocky mountains, the route that's been provided is a dead-straight peice of track through flat terrain, and the most interesting feature of that line, Go Transit, is nowhere to be seen. A freight line through the rockies might well be the only North American freight route I'd actually buy.

 

its not so much less UK routes for me, its the routes we got for the UK need to be better implemented, for example I want the Cardiff City DLC to be expanded into the Valleys so they can extend the runs. They not even used the whole of the Cardiff City Network, they missed Lanishan and Lisvane along the route. I gave my suggestion of what they can do and thats to go all the way up the valleys with atleast one Valley line. I think we can all get what we want,with more worldwide routes whilst also adding British routes. They have not added a lot of the London network routes in and many of them have good views.

 

This is kind of a matter of who you ask, I think! I’d guess that if you ask a French person, it’s probably correct, but if you ask a German, the answer would be incorrect so yeah, what do you expect? Exactly, they cater to the largest group, and I get that, it makes sense, right?! It’s one of those “you wouldn’t expect it” things, isn’t it?!

 

Given I stick to UK routes (have only ever dipped my toes into other countries), its a good thing for me that there's a lot.

If you want a specific route in a specific country then why not, you know, suggest tit instead of complaining.

DTG will always follow the money, as any business looking to make money will do, and they're UK based, so what they're doing is entirely reasonable.

 

Problem is, the Suggestions forum is pretty much an echo chamber these days. There have been numerous articulate and LAMPOIL evaluated ideas for routes in other than the big three countries but nothing has ever come of them.

 

That's what I did! You can see in the latest posts that I suggested a route that I described in detail. Maybe I'll add some photos later. I made several of them, but this one is the most detailed.

 

Problem is I think many of us who got the UK routes and German routes have expressed that they have poorly implemented the routes. Train Sim World 6 missis out on major routes, incluiding major routes from London out of London along GWR network to Bristol and so on. Like it or not like a someone said before, the devs are mostly UK based, and for me I want the UK routes to be implemented better.

 

I agree to some extent.

Much as I like the Riviera Line and current ECML, the first GWR route should have been something like Reading to Bristol or Cardiff so we could run the 802's (and maybe an 800 too) at top speed and under the wires too. Likewise, ECML should have started from Kings Cross and gone to Peterborough then progressively been extended. There currently seems to real logic to the geographic scattergun approach to selection of UK (or for that matter German) routes, let alone leaving the comfort zone.

 

The meaning of this is
That the variation is poor
Because they focussing on two direct countries
But there are more interesting countries

 

Sound like a great theory about were they come from

 

No, I want more UK routes (less German routes - ok, sort of kidding but I was pissed at having to buy TSW6 with the UK route and 220 with it also including the DE and US routes which I don't plan on using).

To repeat what a few folks have said earlier though, they need to do a better job with them - the whole Euston to Milton Keynes debacle, the waste of space that is the Cardiff "network" where let's be honest, most folks bought it for the 153/150

 

You do realise you didn't have to, right? There were options to buy only what you wanted.

 

The problem with going into other countries is that since the Devs are mostly from the UK that they gotta obtain licenses for adding the trains,networks and companies into TSW. Its not like ringing up said Dutch company and going "Oh hey can we add your trains and company name to our game"

Obtaining licenses can be expensive and then there's the extra issue of mapping the route because to obtain the accurate layout of train stations anad the lines, all that does take money to do. Its a lot easier for them to add in new routes and expand on existing routes from liceneses that they already have.

 

Well Cardiff City network is personal to me since I live close to said network and a welsh lad. I just want them to do better with it and there's a lot they can do with it, like I said before, they should go and complete atleast one or two valley routes. They can go along the Rhynmney to Pernath/Barry Island route. If anyone wonders why the Rhymney line its because they can add in Caerphilly castle on the route for players too look at.

 

I totally agree with you, but the problem with German routes as well is the lack of variation of trains. So far we only get the same types of trains in every new route that has been released. The same applies for the UK routes.

Here is a list of trains I want to see in future releases for Germany:
- DB BR 412 (ICE 4)
- DB BR 440 (DB, BWEGT livery)
- Traxx BR 186
- Siemens Desiro HC (BR 462) in DB or BWEGT livery
- Stadler Flirt 3
- Siemens Mireo (DB or BWEGT livery)
- Stadler Euro series locomotives
- Bombardier Twindexx
And the list can go on. Heritage locomotives are also nice.

What we also need is metro subway routes. We only got London Underground. We need subway routes like in Berlin, Hamburg, Paris, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Lisbon, etc.

 

Yes, that's exactly right! I'd also like to see the DB BR 412, 440 and 462 in the game instead of always recycling the already existing trains. And yes, as you said, having more metro lines would be great! Personally, it's mainly a Paris metro line that I'd love to see in TSW, like the line 6 with the MP89 trains.

 

You mean too much England content right? Because the rest of uk doesn’t have many routes, 3 Scottish, 1 whales and no Northern Ireland yet

 

No sharks or dolphins either.

 

If the infrastructure is still in place at Rhymney they could emulate the loco hauled peak services from a few years ago. Bit of 37 thrash all stations up the Valley.

 

It wasn’t funny the first time

 

From the viewpoint of a German customer whose focus lies mostly on German and Austrian trains, I agree... partly.

We have a lot of German routes at this point, but many of them just feel incredibly similar. Double-track, electrified main routes heading from one large-ish city to another. That's probably the reason why routes like Niddertalbahn or Mittenwaldbahn feel like a breath of fresh air, because they are different. That's why I'm anticipating the upcoming Czech route more than Stuttgart-Heilbronn, despite the latter including the more "attractive" rolling stock (in my eyes). It's good to see more and more 3rd party developers coming in, bringing new ideas and covering different countries.

The thing is that Germany would offer much more variety, there's a huge amount of interesting and unique routes all over the country! Smaller, single-track routes, electrified or not, some double-track diesel-only main routes... I could post a list of dozens of potential routes, each of them an amazing addition to the game, each of them being unique in its own way.

The current selection of routes we've got makes the German rail network seem more bland than it actually is/was.

Let's see what else the future holds. Stuttgart-Heilbronn is another generic electrified main route, and only the 140 makes it a must-have for me. I'm much, much more curious about what kind of route TSG is currently cooking up

 

It was a subtle, jocular hint that the country to which you refer is spelled "Wales".

I'm not Welsh, so it doesn't matter too much to me but some of our members in Wales may be a little unhappy. Just as some of our members were keen for us all to show a distinction between Northern and The Republic of Ireland. Nobody is here to pull people up for spelling or grammar but misnaming a country, especially one so close to home could cause offence.

 

I think people have set out some very good reasons for the perceived lack of variation. There's another one that I've not mentioned until now, but take the WCML DLCs (and yes, I know I've been critical that developers have focused one side of England and not the other) because there has been a focus in that area we now have most of the rolling stock to make each WCML DLC feel very realistic in two different eras too.

The alternative, if developers spread routes further around different countries more, would be a list of routes with only one or two types of traction. We've had a lot of those, especially in the early years of TSW and routes with only one or two types of traction feel lifeless.
Better to focus on a handful of countries and look to bring-in new developers from elsewhere in the world who can focus on their countries too.

I'm hoping that the release of Dutch and Portuguese routes will mean that developers in those two countries can build upon the new asset library that comes with them and add additional routes and rolling stock to the point that we have a rich variety there as well as in the main three countries. I personally want to see more regional French content, but if there's no-one making that stuff, I'll have to wait or learn to do it myself. However currently, DTG can't spread itself too thinly or take big risks making lots of routes that may not make a profit. Steady, patient growth is important for businesses, diversification is also important for businesses but trying to do too much and take too many risks is bad for businesses.

We've seen how receptive DTG have been to new developers lately, maybe we'll get some more who aren't in the big three countries who can provide the diversity you crave.

How about you? Do you have an untapped talent for route building? Could you be the one that makes the TSW portfolio even richer?

 

The Rhymney line is working perfectly well,they recently did some upgrades to the line aswell. Thing is they've not even done the whole Cardiff City Network either, beyond Heath High Level there's Llanishan and Lisvane&Thornhill which are part of the Cardiff City Network which I think is a oversight from the devs since those two stations are big parts to the network. Expecially Llanishan.

 

At this point, DTG could (should?) step back from creating new routes and rolling stock themselves, instead making it as easy as possible for any willing 3rd party to step in for that job. DTG in turn could bring their focus back to fixing bugs and refining their product as best as they can. Keep TSW up to date and relevant, while others fill it with "content" on their behalf
I really believe this would improve quality, variety and stability altogether.

Sadly, no
I already tried my hand at creating a short route on my own, but failed spectacularly...

 

*Sleepy face here*, it was the autocorrect and well it did for some reason show the flag so I thought that was correct

anyways I’m Scottish I really don’t care about spelling

 

But you care about upsetting people I hope.

 

Me too, I'm more of a spreadsheet kind of guy. I wish I was more creative but 30 years of working in insurance seems to have killed-off that part of my brain.

 

then my question to you is whether the Dutch made enough profit, or whether it was more

 

and what do you mean by killed your brain?

 

missnaming a country sounds to extremelyto me

 

then we are talking about their sea
Which has very little to do with trains.
Otherwise we would be talking about Zoo Tycoon.

 

Meaning that their experience working in insurance has meant they no longer have much creativity as I suppose that line of work doesn't really involve using much, if any, creativity.

Miss-naming a country sounds extremely what to you?

 

thanks you do understand me,
and agree my point, so you earned from me a like

 

Misnaming a country means using a name for it that is incorrect, inappropriate, or misleading. The practice is often called an exonym, a name used by people outside that place, as opposed to an endonym, the name used by the people within that country. Misnaming can be inadvertent, rooted in history, or, in some cases, intentionally disrespectful.

Common reasons for misnaming

• Linguistic evolution and challenges: Names often change over time as languages evolve. Foreign names may also be altered to be easier for a different linguistic group to pronounce, creating a distinct and enduring version. For example, the English name "
  Spain
  " comes from the Latin Hispania, but the country's own name is
  España
  .
• Colonial legacies: During periods of colonial rule, European powers often renamed territories based on their own languages, geographic features, or powerful figures. After gaining independence, many countries changed their names to reclaim their cultural heritage and erase colonial influence.
• Intermediate languages: A country's name can enter a new language through a third, intermediate language, resulting in a name that is different from both the original and the speaker's own language. The English name "
  Japan
  ," for instance, was borrowed from Portuguese navigators who adapted it from the Chinese name.
• Clerical errors and misconceptions: Some country names originate from genuine mistakes or misunderstandings. The misnaming of Madagascar, for example, is attributed to a 13th-century clerical error that confused it with Mogadishu.
• Descriptive terms: Many older names reflect a certain geographic or tribal reality that no longer applies. The German term for Germany,
  Deutschland
  , has roots in a Germanic dialect, while the Slavic name Niemcy is thought to come from a word meaning "mute" or "people who can't speak our language".

Effects of misnaming

• Political sensitivity: Using an outdated or imposed name can be a politically sensitive act, especially for former colonies or countries that have officially changed their name. The Côte d'Ivoire government, for example, has requested that its name not be translated into "Ivory Coast" in other languages.
• International relations: The use of different names can create confusion in diplomacy and international relations. A country must officially notify the United Nations of a name change to have the new name registered in the database of World Geographical Names.
• Internal consequences: While less relevant for externally used exonyms, internally imposed name changes can be costly and
• controversial, affecting a country's identity and its international image.
• Perpetuating stereotypes: In some cases, misnaming or perpetuating outdated names can contribute to ongoing misconceptions and reinforce stereotypes about a country and its people.

 

And I don't meet any of these criteria,
I'm not involved in that.

Everyone deserves a chance, as long as it's not multiple chances,
so not two, but more than two.

 

do you have to make further points than this?
then I would like to hear it

 

I know what you meant, just that

is an unfinished sentence.
Also when you are trying to respond to something and more messages have been sent between you should probably use the quote or reply feature to make it easier for others to follow

 

Thank you. That's exactly what I meant. It's also sucked my soul dry and left me a cynical man. What have I done with my life?

 

I love German, UK and US content, tho I would welcome more of Austrian content (because Vienna's Nahverkehr rocks, but not only that one) and of course some Slovak content (there is the first Czech route coming, so I am hopeful we will at least get to see machines that also did/are serving routes also in Slovakia)

of course I would welcome more countries, but only if the rolling stock is properly done and signalling/safety stuff is properly implemented (not like some US routes where PTC isnt implemented - I want the safety systems to control me and punish me if necessary )

as for rolling stock, I am not as hot on old machines, and I would prefer rolling stock thats actively in service, ideally backbone kind first (like units/locos that are most common, so you can actually see those in action when visiting certain country, like lets say Taurus, Desiro ML / Talent 1 and RailJets in Austria), then others

 

I was referring to another poster in here and there use of "Whales" instead of the much more correct "Wales". I wasn't referring to you. Just in case you misunderstood my intention.

 

Why's everyone getting their knickers in a twist over someone misnaming Wales? I thought it was officially called "The People's Republic of Taffland" and headed by the Commander in Chief, President Tom Jones and First Lady Shirley Bassey?

Actually joking aside I nearly caused an international incident a couple of years back when working a flight from Belfast to Manchester, a woman stopped me and asked if we sold booze on the flight and I replied "oh yes" so she tapped her friend across the aisle and said "proper Yorkshireman this one" to which I replied I was from Lancashire, she then said "it's close enough" so I smiled and said "so you're from the Republic then, given it's close enough" - fortunately she didn't kick off but if she did I'd have showed her my Irish surname...

Anyway, to steer this back to topic - my issue with the Cardiff route was that it was seemingly all just a load of bits and nothing of substance, no proper end-to end running was available, it was almost all just a case of drive from halfway along a route to another random shack, no ability to change ends and work the opposite working etc...