XSX owner of the route. I won't be touching the 805 unless Bham-Crewe is properly fixed. I can't see why anyone would. If there is any truth to this delay theory (which I highly doubt there is), I struggle with the business sense of it. I can't be the only one who won't give DTG/ABS any of my money if I remain £30 in a very dark hole. I can imagine the 805 preview livestream just full of people asking 'will this be broken like Bham-Crewe?'
It's unbelievable how badly you guys who bought the route early on console have been treated. Actually and on second thoughts, maybe it isn't that unbelievable?
Same as me they wont get any more money from me until this route is sorted and THEN i will consider buying the 805 pack. Although i wont hold my breath for a smooth release of that either giving the timetable of the route they released.
would like to think they are busy busy busy working on the route but more than likely on the 805 to get that released
As well as the timetable, WCMLS is another 350 heavy route. They'll be wanting to bring in their version of the 350, and they're currently full of problems too. I turn them off entirely on Bham-Crewe at the moment to get the 'best' out of the route. It still blurs and crashes, but a little less at least!
If I recall the AAB team are not communicating on this forum any more. I haven't bought it yet as I am waiting for the timetable fixes, thankfully I am on PC and like the look of the route so I have no doubt it will be much played when I do get it, when it is in a state I will want to play it in. I do feel sorry for console owners as I would be fuming at the way the game runs on them at present, but I amazed at how many jumped in and purchased it and are now angry.
Well they said that, then think they did post afterwards. However, while personal attacks are inexcusable, it’s still a bit poor as a commercial developer to use that as a reason not to communicate. Particularly if you have been complicit in releasing something that wasn’t quite ready for prime time, you need to man up and take it on the chin, within reason - as I said.
If you don't have too much DLCs installed and you frequently reboot the game, it's actually not bad at the moment. I'm on PS5, so don't know how it is on the Xbox (S or X)
I intended to buy this but now I’m going to wait until December when it’s improved, as I’m no fan of driving a long service only to find it’s borked near the end by some bug with an ai service, a complete waste of my precious time. I really wish they’d test these things properly first. Too much of a hurry to rush out dlc always.
Yes and by God does the WCMLS need more traffic, I happened to get a scenario on it via Quick Drive and I kid you not I was the only train on virtually the entire route! I even zoomed out the map and there was nothing else running. Obviously a rivet job, do the least possible and grab the customers money and run.
So let's just say, hypothetically, that All Aboard have finished a patch that sorted out 'issue #1' and they've sent it to Dovetail. AABS have done their part, right? So now what, until DTG do their thing and sort out getting the patch pushed out no other dev can work on or have their stuff released? Also, let's just say that someone doesn't own the B2C but they will want the 805, they have to wait for one person's product just because another group can't pull a finger out?
We've reached peak game design ladies and gentlemen! (No shade your way OP.. aimed entirely at DTG) Should never have gone on sale!.. Shouldn't still be for sale!! (For console)
I don't know about that. With all layers enabled on the intermodal tt it is very busy and my console can't actually handle it!!
I said SCENARIO what part of that word do you not understand? It’s got nothing to do with timetable layers, scenarios are standalone and the ones on this route are rubbish and turn the route into a quiet branch line. Incidentally I have tested the stock TT on this route and it’s currently weird which is why a new one is being built for the 805. Between MK and WJ plenty of Pendo’s, between WJ and Euston none aside from in the termini! Absolute joke and typical rivet work. Rubbish.
I have layers turned on but they are for timetables not scenarios which are hand made and the ai is built into it by the scenario builder, in this case almost certainly rivet who have a track record of lazy scenarios. I’m talking about the scenarios that came with the route last year.
So what it’s acceptable for developers to shove out unfinished content and just patch it when they feel like it and expect people to pay full price for said content and sit back and wait for a patch. OR should developers not release content that clearly isn’t in a state to be released. Your comment shows the problem you accept the latter and just throw your money at developers and accept content that clearly shouldn’t be released.
Oh but according to hecticjojo we should throw money at developers and sit back and wait for patches to be released. Their is the problem his approach to content
Developers apparently got private messages from members they shouldn’t have which if true is uncalled for. However I think the more valid point is they don’t like the criticism and negative feedback from a route that should never have been released in the condition it is in and would rather go quiet than engage with the community and keep them updated. At the end of the day they will rely on us the customer to buy future content and from personal experience they have lost me as a customer until I know for certain content they release is worthy of a purchase. I got bitten by their first release I won’t be bitten twice by them and I hope others do the same and vote with a wallet and keep it closed until content is proven to be worthy of a purchase. Oh and that ambassadors can show it off ons console and DTG don’t preview it in fog either to cover issues
What are you talking about? It’s not reasoning it’s the result of driving scenarios on WCMLS as released in TSW5 last year, despite patches they are still entirely devoid of ai traffic. Nothing to do with layers on the timetables. Are you saying I’m lying? Tell you what before uselessly ventilating on here go and drive some SCENARIOS on that route,
The new timetable may run smoother as I think it'd have less 350s in it compared to the 2019 one (if the 350 is the issue)
Sure buddy, ok I mean, I am free to spend my money however I want on the game I enjoy and everyone else is likewise free to spend or not spend their money. If I listened to all the negative Nellys and doomsayers on the forums I'd have missed out on a few great routes (imo of course) for no reason than following the crowd. I report bugs when I come across them, I share them on the various discords I'm in and what I saw watching some previews of B2C I liked what I saw and was prepared to buy it based on what I saw. Same for the Sante Fe pack, I liked what I saw so I got it. And if the CLv5 looks good I'll buy that too - buy what you like, if you don't like it.. well you know the rest
Also, just because there's so much anti Rivet sentiment creeping in, don't forget that the "community" were sending them death threats and harrassment, oh sorry I mean feedback. We don't know what these messages being sent to AABS were but it's not a stretch to say that harrassment and death threats aren't out of the question. Absolutely uncalled for of course but I would argue that no one should have to put up with that just so they're on a forum posting for us..
I think this forum is like a lot of social media and internet spaces, it has become an echo chamber, therefore everyone on here thinks that the vast majority of TSW users feel the same way as them because most of the posts they see suggest it. Anyone with a more positive aspect is then labelled a fanboy or other such mature designations, because we are obviously in the minority. The fact is that I seem to be more circumspec in what DLC I purchase than many of those to whom are constantly moaning! I certainly wouldn't come here for advice as to whether a DLC is worth it or not.
Obviously people abusing the Devs is not right in anyway shape or form.. They are only human.. mistakes happen.. the publisher should have caught them before it came out.. Again do not condone abuse in anyway... but if DTG did their job... it would have protected the devs from said abuse in the first place.. again anyone abusing devs should be removed from the fourm and reported to the police (death threats wise) Being one of the Consle players who have been treated like dirt since 6 came out... Rightly so!! As you highlight I can only speak for ME.. when I use the terms Us/We/The community of course its can only speak for myself.. but i know im not alone due to the pages and pages of complaints from other users.. If YOU are happy with what YOU have received from DTG... good for you! Id say your standards are very low.. but that my own personal opinion.. You say you are more careful when purchasing routes... i say if its made avaliable for sale it should meet some basic expectations... when ive spend at this point Hundreds of pounds 'supporting' this product.. I will use the company's official forum to express that in the hope something may change.. Yes there is alot more negative sentiment recently... only DTG are to blame for that!
And if you read my very first sentence on my post you quoted above you would see is said that is uncalled for if that is the reason for them not using the forums. However I think that may be ONE of the reasons they no longer use this. 100 percent another reason is because of the negative feedback and complaints.
At the end of the day Train Sim World is a video game, and in my opinion nothing could ever upset me enough about TSW to want to potentially commit actual crime. Yes AABS should be on the forums to receive feedback and constructive useful criticism - BUT because of the actions of a small minority who ruined it for the rest of us, we can't. Rather than being upset at DTG, for which there are many other reasons to be, I'm upset at the Muppets who *actually* ruined it for us. I played TSW3, 4 and 5 on a PS4 and currently play on a PS5. You don't think I have issues, I do and they suck when they happen. Spawning on foot instead of the service, features not working as intended (a la TSRs and door faults). Don't think I don't care, I do.
Why it meant they had to leave the forums though, I have no idea? Pretty sure every regular poster on here denounced it when it was reported, so surely you just deal with the perpetrators accordingly (with a perma ban, or further escalation depending on the nature of the abuse/threats etc), rather than scuttling off and hiding, never to be heard from again? Which is all rather convenient considering the state of the product they just released. And I am not trying to be unkind, it's just that a lack of accountability and taking responsibility never sits that well with me in any walk of life. I do think a little bit of an update every week about what they are working on and how it's going, even if it's not always positive, would go a long way.
This BAN every single person who dropped them abusive messages and name and shame every single one of them. going quiet isn’t exactly helping them when the route is in the condition that it is they have the potential here to turn this route around and make is absolutely fantastic which I hope they do do.
Let me get this straight: you're blaming DTG for being given abuse. Way to blame the victim. Whether DTG do things right or not does not in any way give anyone any right to abuse them in any way, shape or form, and absolutely no one should say that it's their own fault they're being abused. What a ridiculous and downright idiotic thing to say.
I think maybe this. Or maybe this. [QUOTE="darrrnel, post: 1066012, member: 59456"Yes there is alot more negative sentiment recently... only DTG are to blame for that![/QUOTE] To me, and clearly other people it reads like - "it sucks they did that but it's also DTGs fault for making them that mad"
You can think "The Top Gear team doesn't deserve to be stoned to death" and "Man, they were really idiots putting all the gay and left stuff on their cars for the US special" without contradiction. It's not victim blaming, it's just noting they were not very smart and should've perhaps researched things a bit better before doing said stunt. It's very valid to point out things like their consistent QA failures, as well as their poor and borderline dishonest communication with players do a lot to cause much of the anger and annoyance this forum.
I think sometimes people need to calm down and step away from their keyboard. No abuse is acceptable whatever the reason for it and that includes forum members on other forum members.
This is obvious.. as stated in my original reply.. At no point does anyone deserve abuse.. People acusing others of 'Victim blaming' for expressing reasonable criticisms of how DTG run their business is what annoyed me
I can agree that them stepping away, claiming down, and articulating their point better is needed. But calling a annoyed message "abuse" is strong, I've seen uses of "fanboy" on here miles more appropriate, and that really says something. Also, much like those uses of the word "fanboy" I really don't see how anyone could call him a "victim blamer" and expect the conversation to do anything but devolve.
To me, and clearly other people it reads like - "it sucks they did that but it's also DTGs fault for making them that mad"[/QUOTE] that does not say anywhere they are blaming dtg for the issues. They are 100 percent correct in says dtg should do their job and what they mean by that statement is they should be banning the people in the first place and thst is 100 percent correct. I am also starting to get a bit annoyed at YOU who now seems to have a fascination with seeking out my comments to try and cause trouble so I will ask you this once only to go and pester someone else and stop the personal swipes at me if it happens again then I will be reporting you. kindly refrain from engaging with me any further next time it is a report.
you said nothing wrong someone was just trying to twist your comment to cause drama. Simple soloution of they continue to do it use the report button and put a report in against the individual the mods can deal with them. These people want you to give them a reaction so THEY can then report to. Sadly people like that get a kick out of drama best to just report them and ignore them.
"if DTG did their job... it would have protected the devs from said abuse in the first place.." To me, that reads as it being DTGs own fault they receive abuse. That's as far ask I'm going with this.
And again as I said they are correct. If DTG tested the route and delayed release and the developers fixed the issue the bugs would have been sorted if DTG banned the trouble makers from here then developers wouldn’t get abuse see the pattern here and before you try and twist my comment like you did with someone else let me put this clear for you to read NO ONE DESERVES ANY ABUSE and the ones responsible should be banned and named and shamed
Never have I said anyone deserves abuse, nor have I said its acceptable, or that anyone has a right to hurl abuse at anyone. I simply read his comment as it being their own fault - and last I checked there's absolutely nothing wrong if I happen to have misunderstood anything. Clearly this isn't leading anywhere. I've made my point. End of discussion.
You have been trying to twist people’s comments though above to make them sound like they do condone it hence why others as well as myself in reply to you have typed it in capital letters. This is also off topic now so keep the thread on topic please
Then to that I apologise if that's how it came across. I do tend to read things wrong a lot and often what I want to say doesn't exactly translate to paper well. And yes, I agree, back on topic.
Will this route be receiving remaster work / extention like Great Eastern & Richmond service? To gain places such has Stone, Stoke on Trent, Alasger. Has I'm sure most would have expected these to be built in to the route from stage 1. Unclear what is set for the Alderley Edge section to Crewe but thats a different matter. We'll learn as time goes on. Albeit most is referenced no doubt at either Stafford or Crewe, plus the Birmingham New Street section if applicable to the services.
