Gwe Remaster: Appreciation And Discussion Thread

It not adding services is only half the issue, I was one of those the bunch complaining about it. You know what one of my favorite loco's is though? The MP36, adds nothing new, but the engine's so different from the standard F40 that it makes up for that, the F59PHR is in the same boat. The Class 20 now does add railtours, but before JT was doing their thing that wasn't too different either. It technically adds some services to Tees, but only three, outside of that bulk of what you'll be doing is just hauling the normal coal services. But again, the 20's different enough to be worthwhile even with that in mind.

The real issue is both that plus the fact of that plus the 86 is so similar to the 87 that's the bigger problem. The only really thing you're getting is a slower, slightly (and I do mean slightly) different looking 87, which I just don't think really gives this pack wide appeal. Honestly I tend to not even care which is which, the power decrease doesn't really feel that noticeable, and you zone out the differences like the windows probably 10 minutes into a run.

I think it also needs to be said, there's more options than just "doing it/not doing it". The obvious one to me would be to hold off on the 86 and save it for a future route. Alternatively, maybe we should've gotten the 86 as a Expert engine, that would've done a lot to make it a must have even with the 87 already in the game.

 

Yeah, and that can either be filled by the closest thing, or left hidden, until the train comes out.

 

I haven't played with the PC Editor much so maybe this is an obvious "no", but when building a timetable is it not possible to use one loco / unit in place of another to populate the services, whilst using a specific naming convention for those particular services? That would then allow them to act as placeholders and enable easy replacement later on. Even if it's a manual job it would allow for easy identification of the services that need to be updated.

 

Hi DTG Liam sorry if already been asked and answered. Is there more or less or the same amount of freight jobs. If you own the relevant cargo packs. Thanks

 

For me the 86 is synonymous with the WCML in the 80s, so I completely disagree with everything you've said but I respect your opinion.

 

I concur, the 86s were much more common than the 87s (36 vs 100 86s) so it looked a bit odd having just the 87 before handling everything. Hopefully once Preston - Crewe is out, we'll see the freight turns also shared with the 86/4s. While there were 87s on freight duties they generally handled the fast passenger services on the WCML.

 

Excellent news, I really like the BR blue guise on the Western there, but prefer the way the horn is set up on the updated WSR example so looking forward to this!

 

The fact you have to specify "For me" implies there are people that wouldn't consider the 86 all that important for a 80's WCML, which actually supports my point further.

Half my post is just listing other loco add-ons and explaining details on them, if you're saying you disagree with everything than it just comes across like you didn't read my post.

Also just as a general response to the 86 being more common, doesn't really mean much. The Big Boy wasn't all that common a engine, but if you did a 50's Sherman Hill it would be silly to pick something like a common 2-8-0 over it. There's more to a engine being a good pick than just it being more common.

 

Any person with a keen interest/knowledge in the 1980's BR railscene would consider the class 86 important for an 1980's WCML, they were numerous and maids of all work. The Shap route is far more immersive with the class 86 than it was before.

 

You could argue all AC Electrics from the series 81 - 87 are all the same and similar, but for the more dedicated enthusiast among us, we know that's quite frankly not the case and a load of old rubbish!

The Class 86/87 are completely different locomotives in their own right. I just feel the people who make the comparison that the 86/87 are 'too similar' simply don't know what they are on about.

 

Haven't been on for a while, has their been any hint when the route will drop? Ta.

 

Hey Liam, here is a question, you worked on WSR and GWE remaster, how do they match up to each other in terms of the level of work required.

 

Hi everyone,
thank you for this very interesting document for non-experts, especially those unfamiliar with the specific rules here for the British Rail (BR) InterCity 125 (HST) retracing their 40 years of service.