So we know that the awc 805 will be coming soon, and the 90 looks like it’s not majorly far behind. But my concern is that because there’s multiple third parties making contributions to the route, will there be potentially 3 different timetables? My biggest concern is that the 90 will not layer onto the 805 timetable, and vice versa if the 90 comes with its own timetable, I don’t believe that’s been confirmed yet though. It’s the same issue with the expert 101, and I think the coordination between third party dlc could be better so that we can get more out of add ons
The multiple timetables annoy me Personally why they can’t just have one timetable and add to that is beyond me.
It's their product, their choice. Also, from what I've gathered by a few posts somewhere on here, they (the ones developing the 90 and the 805) don't exactly get along.
It’s just another example of how disjointed TSW is. Multiple timetables can just go on the list with all the other things that there a multiple versions of purely because devs either can’t or aren’t allowed to figure out the technical gremlins behind having one modular framework. Half the reason TSW is in the state that it’s in is because the publishing approach is to just throw everything into a box rather than neatly integrating content. The 90 in theory can substitute into most WCML freight runs, however given ATS made a mess with the 66 & now we just randomly have a separate version of that (separate to the already messy 66 selection), I suspect substitution won’t be happening. Separate timetables do make sense with things like the 2019 TFW pacer pack & 2025 WCML though. It’s just going to take AAS setting it up for the various packs, though that in itself is likely a nightmare as third parties are seemingly struggling to play nice together in that regard.
Where DTG need to get a grip, if need be bang a few heads together and tell the 3P’s you will work together or forget about us publishing your content. It’s not as if TSW is like TSC where 3P’s can publish what they like, where they like. DTG are supposed to be keeping a tight oversight on things.
One would hope that AAS have worked with ATS to implement the Class 90 timetable within their upcoming one. It would make the most logical sense.
Think about timetables before you complain about multiple versions. How would you use a timetable which is set in the modern era and is mixed with who knows what rolling stock from earlier times, or using a version of the stock which is materially different from current versions. Then there is (especially in the UK) the bizarre circus of ever-changing operators and liveries and changes over time to the track/station layout. It seems to me that layer toggling aleviates that issue. One question occurs to me though - does TSW pre-load all the timetable versions, because that certainly could be a potential problem.
100% agree! It's already bad and getting worse with each release, and it seems like especially the veteran TSC devs who are used to being king of the castle can't deal with being (in a small way) part of a bigger organization. The completely new devs don't seem to share the same parochial attitudes thank goodness. I frankly have no sympathy for them engaging in anti-consumer nonsense like we've seen wrt Cargo Line timetables on Shap, and the ATS/AABS beef. A 3rd-party can go create their own train game, or publish it for free as a mod if they don't want to play nicely.
I think having a 2002 timetable and a 2019 timetable to suit different rolling stock is acceptable. What is not is having 3 versions of the same year because they are offered by different 3rd parties. Though I do understand the issue Skyhook had with Revits timetable implementation. This again should drop back to DTG having a standard for how timetable and pathing works, so integration and standardising future updates is easy.
ATS are happy to work with any third party we hold no grudges at the end of the day it’s better for the community and us as developers to make the products as playable as possible
It would be good to have all the products in one timetable. I don't mind having separate timetables, for example the new 142 for Cardiff offers a different timetable in a different year, but if they are fundamentally the same, it is a little ludicrous.
Absolutely 100 percent and great to hear this. A better bigger team is more enjoyable than many small teams
I don’t think the issue is expressly “X team doesn’t like Z team”. It’s more one studio is building something one way, then another a different way & so on. ATS for whatever reason made a whole new 66 option, instead of being a sub selection which splits which one you need to pick to access services. Skyhook have had numerous issues with creating timetables because Rivet built out Fifes TT in a way that caused issues, then there was the military pack problem with WCMLOS on the back of JT. Then there’s Rivets 66’s which are some of the most unique versions we have, something we really need when that loco is all we have for modern UK freight, but it literally won’t work with 90% of the game. Now there’s JT who have oddly locked the ATW 150 & 153 from subbing. I could go on but the point is the wildly inconsistent development methods are really convoluting the game in ways it really doesn’t need, and the outcome is incredibly poor quality of life factors, decreased content value & generally just a messy game.
I lost the London to Milton Keynes route when i transfered everything over to 6 totally disappeared off my future purchases for some reason so i hope the 90 will layer onto other routes
Have you contacted DTG about that. Do you play on gamepass by chance as by doing that you don’t own the routes per say that ship with TSW 5 so you won’t have them in TSW 6 unless you bought the route
Yeh they cant do anything without proof of purchase but it disappeared off my purchase list so they cant do much its frustrating i got the free starter pack everything else transferred over but that route the pendalino even transferred over ok it came with that route so its odd that transferred but not the route
The Pendolino is a separate pack to the route. If you played TSW5 via gamepass & didn’t actually buy it, then you never owned the route & that’s why you don’t have it now. If you did buy it, you’ll have an email receipt which is your proof of purchase.
I had tsw5 on gamepass and bought the route thats the thing my proof of purchase has disappeared so i have to re buy it in a sale possibly
It isnt ive looked i bought it the same time as the pendalino thats in the purchase history but not the route its strange
I hate to sound like a LOVE and if someone was telling me that I didn't buy something that I defo thought I did, I would be annoyed myself, but... From all the provided evidence, it really sounds like you did not actually purchase it.
I did purchase it i done about 30 timetable services on it but i havent got proof of purchase so nothing can be done i will have to re buy in a sale
If you go to the Microsoft website and go to your account there's an option (the icon looks like a shopping trolley) to view your purchase history, surely it'll be in there.
