So, We Should Be Due A Decent Patch Next Week, Right?

Surely a decent TSW6 centric patch must be coming soon eh?

Game has been out plenty long enough now, so I imagine we can expect a few fixes to basic issues in the menus (like scroll functions, sort functions, delete functions, missing data etc...) and some of the easy stuff in the core routes themselves, plus maybe a few bits and pieces for some older routes thrown in for good measure.

Right?

Or will it just be another new DLC release and heads buried in sand?

The fact that I am kind of posting this as a joke tells us all we need to know I guess!!!

 

TSW needs an overhaul at this point with all the issues it has.

What makes me laugh though, is they don’t even deal with simple things. For example the first update introduced the duplication of rolling stock selections & it’s just gone unfixed & seemingly unmentioned ever since.

It’s examples such as this which end up buried within the core of the game & lead to a bigger mess overall. Eventually it all culminates into situations we’ve seen presented on the survey. We’re left to vote for 3 things we want most fixed because DTG just ignore issues until it’s beyond too late & they end up with an impossible tally to clear.

That’s before we get started on the more severe issues.

 

Dont worry that overhaul will come in the form of TSW 7 and have a whole list of new problems

 

what will today's patch focus on? you guys need to fix the ALP-45DP, which was messed up by the 13th november patch (or roll it back to the 28th october patch)

 

So we've got to wait until next September?

 

As good a place to post this as anywhere.

Something has gone seriously wrong somewhere in the process of moving across to TSW6 from TSW5, particularly on consoles. Following on from my experience on WCMLS yesterday I fired up my PS5 version again with a short run on SEHS. Same horrible stutters and jitters with LOD and shadows on trees drawing in at the last minute. The only thing missing compared to the WCMLS run was the sound deteriorating into the drainpipe effect.

This is standardised hardware (so no blaming potato PC’s with 8 year old video cards) and a route which ran smoothly in TSW4 and 5.

DTG need to do something and do it fast otherwise the game really is in danger of going down the toilet. While the CM’s are posting occasionally, why are we not getting a proper statement of intent from the management team running the project, or have they all gone into hiding again because they can’t take a few home truths on the forum?

 

My 5-year-old video card (3060) runs it better than latest consoles, I'll wager - but not as well as TSW4 ran

 

Getting a little bit disappointed with certain things at the moment, for example, MAC has issues with signalling (red after green etc) and trackwork (that junction which caused collisions still is very rough) which need addressing sharpish - these things spoil the immersion for me a bit, therefore I don't play it anymore (great route overall though). Pays to get these things right in the first place as I feel it's a right pain to sort out after release. Would be nice to get more info from the 3Ps about these things, silence makes me think that they may not be prioritised to fix.
Still enjoying the sim overall though, just seem to not be playing it as much due to certain issues.
Look forward to the patch.

 

Yeah the things you’ve touched on are things I would like addressed also, much like I mentioned minor examples in my post.

The problem is how are we supposed to bring many of these issues up when there’s one big one hanging over our heads, then you’ve got all the problems that come with DLC quality, then there’s the obvious degradation of the game in general with examples such as the ones you’ve mentioned.

DTG in turn obviously can’t deal with all the problems, but they’re also doing some things which I believe to be purposeful (reducing LODs) & not saying jack about it.

Then like you say they’re avoiding the forum likely in part due to the way some things are said, but what do they expect when they’ve let things get this way?

I don’t at all condone the things like death threats etc, or anything personal/directed attacks etc, but people swearing in posts etc is well understandable when people pay the sort of money DTG charge & get the quality we’re currently seeing followed by a really poor communication strategy from DTG.

In terms of an overhaul I do mean overhaul, from management strategies, dev strategy & cycles, publishing cycle, marketing in terms of pushing everyone to a ‘new’ title every year, QA, community management, third party programmes etc. The level of issues are at a point where they can’t simply be traced back to ‘X should have stopped X’. The whole product is rotten throughout.

 

Asked a simple question last week on the Morristown thread....
When can we expect an update..
Seen how recently DTG confirmed they are the only ones responsible for fixing DTG content.. thought it wouldn't be hard to find an answer..

Crickets...

So dont hold ya breath mate.. got 3 more weeks of hyping up DLC to go yet!

 

thanks for your reply jamie

 

the latter they are to appear and big up the next rendition of the sim (insert number here) trying to sell it to us. As soon as it’s released and the cash has came in they disappear.

 

Surely its best practice to fix as many current issues,and keep your customers happy,before releasing more bugged dlc? Or is this not how the software industry works.
I have spent about £260.00 on routes and dlc,a small amount compared to what others have spent,and whilst i have enjoyed these routes for the most part it does irk a little bit with ongoing issues with routes.Having to remove layers to get a route to run decently is not the answer and until i came to this forum i didnt realise blurry textures had been an ongoing issue for some time.Im one of the lowley console users and this is my first big investment in the TSW but its felt a little tainted.

 

Oh, so no Dresden Leipzig runs during the holidays because it LZB section will still be bugged. 3 months after release.

 

> we have enough time to implement and test the new batch of fixes.

Ah yes, the same old "testing" excuse. I'd applaud the due-diligence, but somehow this testing only applies to patches but not the full blown releases.

 

So in other words only a few fixes for only new routes, and still no proper fixes for older content

 

If I was working as hard as these guys to 'fix things' and yet they never got fixed, I would be very disappointed with myself!!

Realistically, we will be getting nothing until late January at best, although I am sure they will still manage to push out another handful of DLCs for us to buy in that time.

 

apparently the patch scheduled for today won't be released today

 

Surely not!!!!

 

doesn't surprise one bit.

 

no offence but when does the testing happen?

But I fear ultimately if the bugs are not properly delt with TSW will simply fall over eventually and need to be rebuilt from the ground up to avoid many of the issues with the core game

 

Wish my job went on Xmas break on Dec 10th, must be nice

 

Yeah right!!

I am lucky to get three or four days off over Christmas in total!!

 

Don't need to go in that direction with the discussion. Work-life balance is an important and the lack of updates is clearly a management issue, not whether some developers get time-off or not.

 

Agreed, just because the update isn't coming out to January doesn't mean they are finishing early.

Those sort of comments (plus inane comments about pink headphones and similar) are the reason why communication on here has gone down.

 

On the other side, TSW is the most expensive game for many of us and it is still broken in many ways. After most recent Riviera patch there are things broken which was not originally (lights) and we should wait months to get it patched? There will be the holidays with much time to play and I cant play all routes I want (and I paid for). TSW5 season was great, but this one is not looking good for now.

 

This doesn't mean they've stopped working. If anything its the opposite. What's the point in rushing an update before Christmas, discovering it doesnt work or is missing and not implementing hotfix/patch till the new year. For some its hard to get them away from work a bit like Matt

 

You are saying that like they were ever good at communication

 

And still not fix for consoles for blurry textures in recent routes……… I wonder why and when that will get fixed.

 

Wait a little while for the update....
Yes, which one?
The one we've been waiting for for 8 years or the one that came out 2 days ago?
Frankly, for me this game is dead. The stuttering is unbearable and getting worse, and what about the disastrous optimization!
The graphics are blurry, disgusting, the shadows are horrible, the vegetation pop-in is hideous... etc., etc.
Note that I'm being kind; I'm not even mentioning the numerous game bugs...
It's high time you changed your attitude towards your customers, Mr. DTG.
Drop this garbage for good and seriously start creating a new train game on a different graphics engine because I don't give you (the studio) much of a chance.
This has gone on far too long.

 

Wow such an exciting update

 

Well it won't improve if people keep sniping at them!

Matt used to be on here regularly giving advice and answering questions.

 

Lmao it's funny how when their lawyers want a patch to go out, it happens immediately!

 

They were, back in the TSW2 days. Matt was on here nearly costantly.

 

Remember that each month they delay these "fixes" is a month closer to the next annual release. One month closer to them considering all TSW6 content as "legacy" and effectively abandoning it.

 

Well, also worth remembering then that TSW6 was only released about 2 1/2 months ago. It's not like the finish line is already in sight.

 

Exactly.

And no patch for ANYTHING until the new year, so let's be realistic that is mid to late Jan at the earliest.

Not far off half of the yearly release cycle gone and they have done basically nothing bar a couple of token 'fixes'.

Fairly obvious that they are just trying to blag it at this point and hope we all just keep handing over our money.

 

Yea so 4 years ago, I’m guessing Communication went down after the amount of hate towards the state of steam in tsw2/3

 

No, Sam left.

 

Is this an update that will do it in the background or will one i have downloaded manually. If I have to downloaded then I have not received it yet.

 

As I’ve said previously I wouldn’t expect Matt to be on here every day in every thread responding to feedback and criticism (or even praise). And yes I admit to being one of those who occasionally takes the mick out of the pink headphones, though no malice is intended. The forums occasionally get a bit toxic, yes. But it has to be realised most of that is borne out of a combination of both love and interest in the game and sheer frustration at the state things are visibly at least being allowed to get into.

As EP of a quite expensive entertainment product, a certain amount of responsibility comes with that position and taking it on the chin when things do go wrong. Staying away or not even reading the forums is just putting your head in the sand and kicking the can down the road (sorry for two back to back cliches). Some honesty would at least be appreciated - if their in house coding and development personnel have been cut back to the bare minimum, tell us. If the game is getting away from what they can achieve within the code base again, be realistic with the customer base about it.

At the end of the day all of us here have piled £100’s if not a couple of £k’s worth of money into TSW by now and we just want a realistic appraisal of where the game is headed, minus the marketing and PR guff.

 

Why would that affect Matt though?

 

Haven’t seen him on the forums in nearly two months
Occasionally on discord though

just wish they would stop being so damn formal and business minded which dodge and skip issues when asked

 

yeah, there was never any patch to download, I wonder if they forgot about this one too...

 

I will say I watched Trainsim societies latest video regarding the Discord Q&A, but that's a separate kettle of fish. And apparently DTG were very open and communicated very well, Alex even apologised for the changed stance on multiplayer and then spoke in depth about blurry textures etc. Apparently it's an old bug and that AI trains load in by you and don't load out afterwards so still keep using the texture pool alongside poor optimisation.

Edit - I have just seen the link to the Q&A shared on announcements so have amended my post.

 

I thought it was just me, but it seems I'm not the only one not receiving the update.

 

This is so true . I actually think the reason patches don’t come out sooner is because most of their devs are working on the next dlcs . It’s like a sausage machine . And every time they say they need time to test their patches….but anyway they still break other things on release. It really is a joke . And the patch notes are often laughable . In patches the main things I want fixing is issues with trains , timetables , and scenery . Personally not bothered about the scoring , in game store , or issues with collectibles . Why they can’t do more hot fixes , I don’t know .

 

they're also working on metro rivals
I'd even say that most of DTG own devs are focused on that, which is why TSW is in such a state of neglect