Nec: New York - Stamford

MAX said 2020 in an earlier post, so no Budds

 

I honestly hope they provide the correct power for CSX freight. They've been running SD40's and AC44CW's lately, but I could see DTG just throwing a Geep in and saying "Have fun!"

 

We desperately need some new US freight locomotives. *cough GP40-2 cough*

 

I agree, but not for this route.

Now across the river, and on the freight route between Selkirk and Jersey, and the Newburgh Secondary... absolutely lol

 

The thumbnail for the route when it was teased was an SD40-2, so there is a chance its the loco coming for the route, if DTG doesn't just use layers for it. However, If they do include a SD40-2 with the route, I would prefer a YN3 version of it, so its at least somewhat different from the SPG SD40-2's (On top of any other changes necessary)

Would of been nice for HIS's SP route, but they chose a GP35, a loco they done to death on TSC in pretty terrible quality.....

 

Although I'm glad to see DTG is somewhat paying attention to doing freight again, I still think the route was a missed opportunity to bring back the GP40-2 locomotive considering it (along with the NEC: NY route) hasn't returned since TSW2020.

 

Again, though, it's not typical power for this route

 

I know I’m gonna have to wait till the live stream but now I’m curious to know why the New Haven route is so short when one of the newest routes is 108 miles long

 

Quantity of stations and urban scenery. WCML TV has 9 stations, which is much less than NEC Stamford, and is in a much less urban environment.

Also worth pointing out that WCMLTV is made by a third-party who are willing to push the boat out unlike DTG.

 

While the full route is only 72 miles, it’s also 30 stations which is a lot to build. You also have 4 larger city assets you need to build other than NYC and manage the extra stops on timetables between the locals to Stamford an the express that go local from Stamford to New Haven.

I’d love to see it as it would add more for the Amtrak part of the route (2 more stops), but that just seems like a lot to build IMO.

 

A lot of misinformation going around in this thread lol. Quite a few diesels run on the New Haven line. Especially nights and weekends. They even threw a diesel set on rush hour New Haven semi local a few days ago.

 

Not typical, but CSX does have a few GP40s that are still qualified for Metro-North trackage. (PTC + Third rail notched snow plows).

 

I should’ve put “I think”.

I’m still new to commuting on the route so I only put what I saw, but thanks for clearing up where I was incorrect. I come here to discuss trains and routes and I stay for the education sessions!

 

Well now it’s just a question if they’ll add it with or without the center doors if they add them

 

That raises a good point... do they model the SLI and II's, or III's and IV's?

My money is on the III/IV, since that's what's already in TSC.

 

Why not both?!? (Insert that meme here)

I’d take either, then they can hopefully add them in to the NJT routes (I’m no expert, as was shown above, but I believe there are slight differences, correct?)

 

I don't see DTG doing both, at least at first.

The biggest visual differences between the earlier Shoreliners and the newer ones are three sets of doors as you mentioned on the later-builds, as well as two cab windows vs. just one on the earlier builds.

There are differences between the Shoreliners and Comets that NJT uses, but they are the same platform.

 

Yeah I meant further down the line. I’ve been using the MBTA BTC/CTC for the NJT Comets since I started using both routes as they are somewhat visually close.

I’d just hope down the line we’d get some authentic versions even though they are kind of being phased out.

 

The Shoreliners aren't being phased out just yet. The Adessia cars are a few years out, and initially slated to just run the Hartford Line. The Shoreliners will continue to be refreshed and upkept until then. I rode ones out of Wassaic not long ago that received M7-style seating.

 

Yup, I would definitely like to see Shoreliners I-IV. The Shoreliner I's and Shoreliner II's do not have center doors, they just have side doors at each end of the coach/cab. Shoreliner III's and IV's both have center doors but shoreliner IV cab cars do not have a side door at the engineers cab

There are a few Comet II cabs that were formerly used on Metro North West of Hudson service that have been no center doors but a foreman's window in the cab, similar to what is seen with the Shoreliner III and Shoreliner IV. They have returned to EOH operations i believe somewhere around 2006-2008. These former Comet II cabs sometimes have the nickname of Shoreliner IIS. They don't have a center doors, resembling Shoreliner I ans II's when seen from the side

 

Matt said on the roadmap stream today that there is roughly 14 hours worth of freight services on the route

 

But as we've seen with HIS's ATSF pack, just saying numbers don't mean much. The ATSF pack had a ton of services but all runs were cut into 3 plus helper moves. 14hrs of freight services don't mean much if they are nonsensical movements. Just hope DTG delivers on it....

 

Given there aren't that many CSX services at Oak Point to even fit in a 24 hour timetable, but what's gonna be what for the route is nothing but guess work at the moment.