Route Stuttgart - Heilbronn Feedback Thread

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  1. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Did the 423 wipers get fixed in this patch.
     
  2. Melanie

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    Usually you need to set both manually.
    IRL there are quite a bunch of rules which tell you which setting and if both need to have the same setting.
    Most TSW6 Cases should be both locos to the same setting.
     
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  3. seawolf#2567

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    While playing the Bnrdzf 483 Millennium scenario, I noticed an issue with the control car’s throttle.

    The throttle percentage power appears to be invalid. I can only control power by increasing or decreasing the throttle step by step. Once the throttle reaches the percentage-based region, it has no effect at all.

    The power meter seems to top out at10 kN and does not increase beyond that.

    I also noticed that the BR 111 locomotive in this train is unusable: there is no power in either cab, and the screen does not light up when the reverser handle is inserted.

    I have not encountered this throttle percentage issue in Timetable mode or Free Roam mode. So far, it only occurs in this Millennium scenario. I suspect the control car used in this scenario may have been modified.
    [​IMG]
     
  4. AmityBlight

    AmityBlight Well-Known Member

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    In the northern entrance of Kornwestheim Rbf (north end of tracks 001 to 011), some OHLE parts can be seen hovering just above the tracks. My 294 mauled them without derailing. Sturdy beast.
    [​IMG]
     
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  5. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    When driving the Bnrdzf 483 when pulling away from platforms . Why is when I run up first time nothing happens then I run back down and run up again the I have power and pull away . Am I missing something. Thanks
     
  6. OpenMinded

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    Spotted your comment over on the closed thread, AmityBlight
    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/stuttgart-heilbronn-patch.95893/#post-1080904

    Just as a side note, reflective signs were invented and intrduced back with the original DRA DLC. This was really great and a big step forward in driving at night without HUD. Reflective signs remained a thing until KWG and vanished afterwards. I can only assume that this was a cost cutting measure along the way, which I also do believe was a huge mistake! Unfortunately, for DTG the quality is just good enough if you can drive a route with HUD enabled. Being able to drive without HUD is a "nice to have", quality wise...

    TSG routes like NID (not sure about MIT, tbh) have reflective signs again... Needless to say that DRA lost all reflective signs after its Tod4 remaster:(

    EDIT: there is a great mod for Hamburg Lübeck, which makes all line side signs reflective: Reflective signs for the route Hamburk - Lübeck. - Train Sim Community
     
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  7. VanDooooom

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    Xbox Series X: Everytime about 2 km before Stuttgart HBF the game crashes. Even if you disable some layers
    Really I hate complaining like lot of people here but this game isn't funny anymore.
     
  8. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    When you what train are you driving.
     
  9. AmityBlight

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    Ah, interesting! Thanks for the info :)
    I already was under the impression that signs on some routes were more reflective than on others, and this seems to be the reason.

    Adding things like that because it's a good step towards realism and then dropping it again is such a waste. Having reflective signs everywhere would be a great help... I usually drive with the (minimal) HUD on, but paying more attention to signs than the HUD. Driving at night with non-reflective signs is highly annoying.

    Would be great to get an official DTG statement on why this has been dropped.
     
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  10. OpenMinded

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    I opened a thread for this, back in 2023.
    https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/what-happened-to-reflective-signs.64241/

    Didn’t draw too much attention, tbh. Was under the impression it’s not such an highly wanted feature by the community. Of course, didn’t get any response from DTG, either…
     
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  11. VanDooooom

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    The BR140, 111, and Wittenberger. Happens Everytime.

    The whole game runs not good. When I go in the formation designer, every train loads blurry. And after that if I don't restart the game, it crashes after short time on every route.

    Yesterday I did a run on Main Spessart Bahn without a restart. Suddenly all the terrain disappeared and only the train was visible on pixels
     
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  12. noir

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    I don't think this is true, the freight locos actually have varying PZB and brake modes preselected in timetable mode, but I think it's based plainly on total weight of the consist. That's for a bit of off-topic discussion though, however - I do think the 140 should start at least in PZB M and appropriate loco brake mode, because there is a lot of medium-advanced users who want to turn PZB on, but don't want to poke around with detailed settings. And currently if they just turn it on, they may be led by the incorrect setting to pass signals at red and service failures.
     
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  13. vodka#2734

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    While the Vectron is forgiving of braking errors, the BR140, even with the brake modes adjusted using the calculator, is frankly mediocre in stopping. I have never experienced so many emergency stops without being able to slow down in time in the entire time I played the game. However, this adds a special interest. I'm in no way trying to imply that the brakes are bad and need to be fixed!
     
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  14. noir

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    Do you have some example services and settings you used? I can take a look. 140 is weak in power, but I didn't notice anything extraordinary with brakes - but I always drive defensively. Usually I was even surprised how precise I can stop with it without any modern edb tricks.
     
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  15. Maik Goltz

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    Brake power for the whole train is not really loco dependent at all. If you have 20 freight cars behind you, even when the loco itself does not brake at all (because someone used its brake levers like rudders), the train at a whole should brake as usual. If that is not the case, something else is not ok. And yes, i know what you mean. With my tests for the suspension two days ago i had a rake of wagons that had obviously negative overloaded brakes somehow. So they were offset to the loco and started braking at lever notch 3 instead of 1 and that's a problem of course. Not sure why that happens.
     
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  16. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Anyone the sort it out scenario need to couple to the last 5 wagons. And the 363 will move or anything it was fine up until this point.
     
  17. vodka#2734

    vodka#2734 Well-Known Member

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    I completed the entire travel mode, all flights in both chapters. The settings were as is. The day before yesterday I learned about your calculator and started adjusting the brakes using it. Now It's gotten a lot better, but I still think the locomotive requires careful handling of the brakes. It's very easy to apply insufficient braking force and not slow down in time. Emergency braking will be triggered. Or it's easy to apply too much braking force, release the brakes at the wrong time, and slow down too much.I just can't get used to riding a German locomotive, controlling the brakes like an American one, and without a dynamic brake. Your calculator is very helpful for the BR140.
     
  18. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    FYI people i just had a CTD 1 mile from heilbronn. Driving the bnrdzf 483 this game is becoming so unstable now.
     
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  19. AmityBlight

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    Not sure if someone mentioned this already, but:
    In the Wittenberger cab, the noise level remains the same even when side doors/windows are being opened/closed. Don't recall if it's always been this way, or if this creeped in with the recent update.
     
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  20. BR218-320

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    A question to Maik Goltz:

    Hello Maik.
    I‘m having severe Braking problems with the BR140, especially with heavy trains.

    When I ride the timetable train with #69170 ( starting at 11:38 ) I ride a heavy train ( 1.280t ).

    According to the table I set the Loco Brakes to „G“ and the first 5 cars of the train as well to „G“, the remainder of the train stays in „P“.
    PZB I set to „U“.
    Tracks are dry, no precipitation.

    When I cruise with 100km/h I pass a Vorsignal after about 10 Minutes that shows Vr1, but the Vorsignal is combined with a Zs3v showing „8“ ( 80km/h ).
    So I press „PZB-Wachsam“ and start to brake. I release the the pressure in the HL to about 3,5bar. With this brake setting the train shows almost no deceleration at all. So I get a „Zwangsbremsung“ very soon, because I cannot stay below the „PZB-Bremskurve“.

    If I try to apply more brake pressure than 3,5bar, the brakes next step is to apply emergency braking immediately ( with about 1bar HL ).
    Only with this setting braking is sufficient to avoid a Zwangsbremsung.
    But in this case the train will come to a full stop, even if I start to release brakes when passing around 70km/h.
    Interestingly, the train will start to move on it‘s own after about 10 Minutes of standing still, even though brakes are applied with 4bar HL. No slope on this part of the track at all…! Very strange!

    The very same happens if I set all brakes ( including Loco ) to „P“. There is absolutely no difference between „G“ and „P“. So I guess that the Brakemode is not simulated at all.

    What am I doing wrong?
    I think that the braking efficiency is incorrectly modelled by DTG and is way overexegarated.
    I cannot imagine that on a realworld train an emergency braking is necessary to avoid a Zwangsbremsung.

    Thank‘s for your help in advance!
     
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  21. Maik Goltz

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    I just ran that train and so far no problems. But i can see what might be a problem. If you constantly apply and release the brakes you will run into that. Not because of the loco, but there is something with the wagons that causes the HL to fill a tiny bit when not expected what releases the brakes again. You need to drive that train down the hill with a good portion of foresight. If you tend to reach the max speed down there, apply the brakes just one step (minimum), watch the cylinder pressure and HL pressure. If there is something unexpected happening, apply one step more. Then let the train slow down to about 90 and release the brakes again (not overloading them, Zeitbehälter pressure check, should be 0). The brakes on the wagons will slowly releasy and you might end up at 80kph. Then let the train just roll down the hill up to the point where you nearly reach the max speed again. Then same braking procedure. If you instead use the brake lever like a rudder by braking and releasing back and forth all the time to maintain the speed, it will end up in a problem of course.
     
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  22. solicitr

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    What you may be experiencing is the 140s complete lack of dynamic brakes; more modern German trains and the 110 all use blended braking when you pull the big air.
     
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    Exactly like managing US freight.
     
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  24. vodka#2734

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    Yes, I understand there's no dynamic brake. This adds to the fun of driving this locomotive.
    That's right.
     
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  25. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Does the BR140 have a bright headlight setting?
     
  26. Maik Goltz

    Maik Goltz Well-Known Member

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    Nope, just candles.
     
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  27. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    Candles are brighter lol
     
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  28. noir

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    I tried to run it and brakes seemed adequate to me given it's downhill to Bietigheim, I went full 100 km/h when passing the sign and by 4.2 bar braking I was at comfortable 75 km/h when passing the start of 80 km/h section. The magnet wasn't active so I didn't have to go below the M curve, but I still had half of the brake force at disposal if I needed to.

    Braking at 3.5 bar isn't something that you do too often unless something surprises you, that's maximum operation braking and with this type of consist, it will be close to emergency braking (although that will propagate faster through the whole train).

    Your calculation seems suspicious, as container trains don't usually fall into U territory, it was PZB M for me. If you were running at 100 km/h and tried to slow down to 50 km/h for U curve, that may be fairly difficult on downhill slope, but such train would likely not be allowed to run 100 km/h there.
     
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    The headlights on the Br 140 are working very poorly. The locomotive doesn't illuminate the track ahead at all, making it impossible to operate after dark. DTG, please do something about this!
     
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    Just to add a little titbit: Reflective signs are not always realistic. Some are reflective, some aren’t in real life with no real rhyme or reason. In a perfect world, DTG should have a nighttime cab ride video in both directions and adjust based on that, but that is probably a whole ruckus for little benefit.

    I’m not saying that DTGs’ switching back and forth between reflective and unreflective signage is due to realism, it’s probably just the DTG wheel at work. I just wanted to point out that reflective is not necessarily more realistic.
     
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  31. dal#7945

    dal#7945 Well-Known Member

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    When doing the br110 services has anyone else come across when you uncouple . Then once you stop ready to couple to the other end loco will not move stuck with red box round tap changer number. I have everything and it will move . Any help would be good.
     
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    My best guess on that is that the power lines might be dead somewhere in front of the buffers, I tried doing a complete cold restart and even relaunching the physics, but still couldn't get it to move
     
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