Avanti West Coast Class 805, How A Loco Dlc Should Be Made In Tsw

I recently picked up the class 805 for WCML S and wow, what an impressive dlc.


this dlc is a perfect example on how a train should be sourced and developed.

all aboard studios have put a lot of effort and love into this.

The Sounds are absolutely spot on, I've played TSW for a long time, and I'm going to say, this sound design really is the best I've seen in a UK DLC, as someone who commutes daily on an IET (GWR, but either way the same type of Hitachi BMU) the sounds are EXACT. the sounds of this is definitely the new standard.

The lighting has been done incredible, especially with the interior coaches, and the running sounds are fantastic and well done.

massive hats off to SamT, who created the sounds of this DLC, and AABS for putting much care and detail into it.

this is exactly why, I will never give up faith in the third parties in TSW, who actually put passion into their products and do it to get it right for the railfans and community.

very very impressive work.

 

Would say a better example for what loco addons should be is the class 86/2

8 liverys multiple which have different fronts
Set of new coaches in two liverys

 

Well, yes. The Class 86 has several paint options, some with signs of wear. The Class 805 entered service 1.5 years ago, and I'm not sure it shows signs of corrosion or other wear yet. Well, the coloring is a miss. Perhaps in real life there is a whole kaleidoscope of colors. Oh yeah, there are only 13 of them from one operator. It's a shame that's exactly the same as in reality.

 

Be even better if I could actually play it but no. It crashes every time I try and start a job from Euston.

 

In my brief evaluation I would have to say the traction sounds are no different to the 802, or even the 801. A few new recordings of in cab clicks and burps do not equal a new sound set. And it’s all for nought if being faithful to the prototype as you hear beggar all in the end coaches (and by extension the cab) anyway, other than the track resonance.

Not saying the reskin and rework of the interior isn’t nice, but there’s no way this is an all new train worth £15. Further rumination will have to wait until this gets a significant discount to the price level at which it should have been sold, < £10.

 

Gonna have to disagree about the sounds, the 805 sounds much better than the other AT300's in TSW.

 

I've only watched a few videos but the motor sounds are definitely better on the 805 compared to the other two.

 

We will have to differ on that, then. To me it sounds identical to when I slapped an 802 on WCMLS in free roam. It will have to wait for whenever the first discount is before I try it again.

 

The sounds on all the 800s are way to quite to the point where you are driving in almost silence. Even the pendolino is quite but atleast you open the windows on that .

 

Is nobody else getting annoying click/pops and audio stutters every time the train passes over points?

Edit: This may actually be an issue with my headphones.....

 

I've not noticed so far.

 

After playing it and watching videos, its true to real life and by far the best sounding train in tsw to date, the only other train in my opinion that is at equal level to this is the 87. The cabs are meant to be quiet, the 802 as a comparison is wrong as you shouldnt be able to hear the engines from the cab especially as clear as you can. In fact in the 805, if in diesel, you can hear the subtle hum of the engines when stopped at the station and that is true to real life.

Overall the pack is 100% worth the price with the amount of attention to detail thats been put into this train as a whole. The whole "its just a reskin" just doesn't make sense. A reskin would imply just a new livery and nothing else whereas the 805 has had loads of new sounds done, technical work done and art work

 

AABS please do a 68 for WCML freight. If you have SamT doing the sounds, add a camera view on the roof so we can listen to that wonderful engine thrash like on the AP 68.

 

Being realistic is half the problem though, it is a thoroughly boring, bland modern train so far as driving in the sim is concerned. I would rather they did take a bit of licence and pipe the traction sounds into the cab rather than sit there in near silence. Or at least let us run with the cab doors open.

 

But then people will complain its not realistic and thats the issue, I think theres no winning because someone is always going to be unhappy

 

Yes! On PS5. I've started to refer to them as audio farts. Farting loco's are plaguing TSW6. I guess the person that was made responsible for audio has left the company?

 

Neither is having the Class 31, Class 47 etc. play the “thrash cam” sounds into the leading cab, but where would the entertainment be if the cab experience sounded like it does in real life? So there is more than enough precedent to add that bit of aural entertainment value. Which ultimately will reflect on my decision whether to purchase at full price, wait for a sale or just not bother with it.

 

TSW needs more developers who know and understand the inner workings of how and why trains make the sounds they do, that's why this train and 101 expert in particular sound so accurate, the people who worked on them had a thorough understanding of the engineering.

 

Sorry to say, but that’s exactly as it is in real life. Not accurately reflecting real life experiences (In this case, having the motors sound in the cab) ruins the realism and immersion for some, and I think this should be respected. Not every British Loco in TSW right now is everyone’s cup of tea, it’s simple as, and I appreciate that.

 

Fair enough, just looking at it from the perspective of theres a lot of people who always go on about realism

 

Can't agree with this one personally. I've recently streamed SimRail driving the CD163 and chat informed me of many complaints the community was making with regards to the buzzing sounds. To some people it can be a very unpleasant experience, especially those who have some form of hearing issues. However I stated that as the train does in fact sound like that in reality, I don't believe any changes should be made to it that would differ it from reality. Rather perhaps an accessibility option added, as is done for people who deal with colour blindness, that tones down or removes the sound completely for those who can't bare it.

It's far, far from a priority, but perhaps one day we could have an option in the game that adds fictional sounds to the cabs were there is near silence for those who would like it. But as someone who is playing this "sim", I would like the real life experience simulated as close to reality as possible. Otherwise I would've perhaps been playing some other basic train game, I won't name any so as to not cause offence, and certainly wouldn't be playing with over 300 mods. For now, with the 805, we are getting to drive it with as close to reality as possible. As those who drive these units must "suffer" the silence, in my opinion as players who strive for realism in this title, so should we.

 

I partially agree, the dlc (the train itself) is well done
however, the price charged could have been $16.99 imo
although it's not that bad considering I paid $17.99 for the (disastrous) santa fe pack

 

Actually this is an inverse case of where the IRL sounds should have been modified for the in game experience. The thyristor buzzing is intrusive and annoying to the point where on lighter trains I have been isolating the leading traction motors which eliminates the sound, or driving in external view.

This discussion does show that sounds are very subjective. However the popularity of “Wired For Sound” etc cab ride DVD’s etc. shows that most rail fans want to enjoy a decent bit of thrash. Which, sadly the 805 doesn’t really provide as it stands.

 

Personally I prefer realism, same as I prefer not to see a class 40 on Shap, in that case gameplay has been deemed more important than realism and I have to put up with it or not play it.

Maybe there could be some way of having two modes, one realistic and one "thrash" mode for those who want more noise.

 

Absolutely spot on it's that quiet in 805 even with doors open you can't hear engines fire up

 

Yes this is really how a £14,99 modification if a current dlc we have in sim should be totally agree with you……. Not

the amount of these posts appearing when we have threads already for 805 is certainly looking like people are coming here and making these posts deliberately..

 

Hate to break it to you but you could say that about any dlc on console right now. Happens with the 86 for example, so is that no longer worth £19.99?

 

In all honesty no because consoles shouldn’t have this problem when paying full price for dlc etc, Also haven’t heard anyone mention it on the 86 you got a picture of the blurry textures on that ?

 

I havent right now as not on my xbox, but to give you an idea ive had blurries on wcml over shap, the 170 pack 2019 bcc timetable, cardiff commuter, birmingham crewe and MAC, probably more just those ive played recently but it does prove its a core game problem not a third party problem either that or every one of these routes are badly optimised or maybe it is both and everyone needs to go away and review, i know all aboard have said theyve been looking into this but no other third party has said anything? Yet from what ive seen, people keep slamming all aboard for blurry textures but no one else? just seems a bit odd, should hold all third parties the same or just dtg if it is indeed just core

 

Do consoles have a feature to disable motion blur? I don't see it being a big deal.

 

Yes but I cant how to find it.

 

Yes ans when turned off you still get blurry textures. It get to the point you can't drive hudless as all the gauges go blurry as well.

 

You missed this threead then.

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/even-jt-routes-are-not-immune-from-the-blurring.95804/

 

I did

 

As someone who has driven the class 86/2 more than any other train in game, so basically over 20 runs and I can tell you, you do not get blurry textures or at least with the series X

 

This issue here is literally nothing to do with AABS.

Blurry textures have been a real painful core issue on DTGs part for ages. Please, don't let a DLC be ruined by something that's DTGs problem, and not a third party who actually does their homework.

 

Would anyone else on Xbox recommend at full price? The only thing is that i only have WCML: London Euston - Milton Keynes so i would be only getting 1 timetable.

 

I know it was mentioned in the preview stream but it would be nice if the speed set functionality was added to the 805 and also the 801 and 802. It is a useful feature especially in electric mode on long sections of 110/125. I am aware that it is a bit of a pain to code as it controlled on the TMS screen and has a little bit of a more complex UI than any other speed set.

It is shown at 31:10 in this video and at some other points as well


Besides this it is a really great add-on and really does sound and feel like the real thing.

 

No cant play at moment keeps on crashing.

 

are you a real class 80X driver ??

 

Why shouldn't people post something positive there are numerous negative threads about the same thing?

I think AAB are getting in a raw deal at present. The Birmingham to Crewe route is very good and one I keep going back to. I'm not even a huge fan of these modern high speed trains but I have enjoyed it so far, it feels well made and sounds good. As said TSW's issues with blurred textures are not of AAB's making.

 

Nothing changes when we are positive about it hence why a good chunk of the game has issues

 

So if we like something we shouldn't say? Why? All positivity should be kept to ourselves in case it upsets some people?

If TSW is that bad why are you even using it?

 

In the same light all negativity should be kept to ourself incase it upsets people then should it ???

if problems persist people should be fully made aware of them. DLC isn’t cheap to some people so it is only right they know the issues are present. If people stop buying this broken sim and its issues then finally those who can fix the problems may actually finally get told to FIX them.

 

No not if you only have the one route as you are not getting the full product. Wait for a sale. If you are interested in the Birmingham - Crewe route it is a nice route in all fairness BUT it is prone to the blurry texture issues sadly

 

Because many people enjoy suffering and whining about it all over the internet. They'll make up problems out of thin air instead of just playing. If things are so bad, why play them?

 

So are you saying people should just carry on paying for content that has issues.
Are you saying it is acceptable to have blurry textures ???
Are you saying the people who complain about issues known in the sim are making them up despite many YouTube videos showing the problems ??

 

The model itself is great.
The timetables are great.
My only real gripe was the sounds but I have reflected that maybe I was being a bit picky and they do reflect what you hear in real life. I would hope my views and the subsequent debate about reality vs. entertainment was conducted in a positive manner.
So I have given it a reprieve and it will remain in my collection.

 

These are unexpected words from you. A normal reaction from a healthy person. A ray of light in this flood of negativity.

 

Ahem