Loco Avanti West Coast Class 805 Add-on Feedback Thread

Hello, I'm here to report some bugs I've encountered during my trip, all of which occurred on the Milton Keynes Central to London Euston Steam platform. PC

- On the Class 805 train (in addition to the bugs already reported), I've noticed that the audio cuts out for a few milliseconds when passing through track switches, which can be a bit annoying when there are several switches in quick succession.

- On all Class 710 trains, the passenger cars are slightly offset, resulting in some being very close together and others very far apart (see photos below). Furthermore, due to this bug, when in passenger mode, the cars start to shake, which is very uncomfortable when seated.

- On the Class 805 service 1D87, there's a bug where, when passing through Harrow & Wealdston station, a 710 train gets stuck on a green signal with the text "Off-schedule service," creating a long traffic jam. This bug only occurs on this service. When traveling on foot, everything is normal.

- There are also some "ghost" services. For example, at Milton Keynes Central station, the 1U30 service to London Euston is listed at 1:49 PM, but it never arrives. When searching for the service, it can't be found anywhere, but it is listed under the previous service.

Otherwise, I'm very happy with the Class 805; for me, it's one of the best Loco DLCs.

PS: If something is unclear or out of context, it's because English isn't my native language.

 

What pantograph should raised example going to Birmingham and the front one is raised. Is that correct or should it be the rear.

 

Issue 1 - it’s an 805. Not a 390.
Issue 2 - if it’s not a reskin why is the destination Swindon?
Issue 3 - what’s the correct coupling procedure? Would appear that you don’t need to press the couple button from my experiment in Wembley Yard just now!

 

Just done the same as you and kept promting to raise the pantograph even though i was in diesel mode.

 

I think it’s a really good compromise, this myth about being asked to lock the doors twice is wrong and as long as you follow what is being asked on the HUD, you shouldn’t have any issues.

However, 1D80 0530 New Street to Holyhead, I was expecting to close doors on a red, so looks like one slipped through the net!

 

I would probably be certain as in screenshots of when it was announced they included the class 805 as the 807 was still early work in progress.

 

And probably rolling stock that should run on MK Crewe irl. AABS aren't too bad with layering. (86, 87 not included)

 

Gotcha!

 

Just had my first crash on Xbox since the WCML(S) was first fixed (well, not fully fixed obvs) over a year ago whilst playing an 805 service.
The game crashed with the out of video memory reason whilst on the approach to London Euston. I used to play on a Series S when this was a serious issue and now it’s happening on a Series X.
Honestly, how are things still so bad?

 

Three letters - D T G

 

maybe a stupid question - I have found the wiper speed, but doesnt 805 have sth like a setting where you select if the wipers are going as lasting or intermittent? cos atm it looks like it can only do intermittent, which is kinda annoying

edit: nevermind - I have found out that the values actually represent the frequency of wiping... aka 5 is with long breaks inbetween, and the highest setting being almost constant wiping... interesting

 

Just did the tutorial runs in the 805 and its well done. Only noted some small things

On PS5

The TPWS only says AWS is active when activated.

The safey systemisolation light stays lit even though all the safety systems are unsolicited.

The engine sounds (electric i think) still play even though auxiliary is off and the train is otherwise off.

Otherwise love the detail that's gone into it. Love driving these simple modern trains.

 

playing 9G25 turnback at Watford
on approach to Watford platform 8 passed ground signal and was give a SPAD alert even though the signal was clear
also guard mode seems to suffer from the same issue that the 801 had where when closeing doors it also closed the local door

 

also, a good warning maybe - this train's AWS/TWPS is kinda spicy, almost like 700... I was approaching buffer at Euston, with good 250 yards, at like 20 mph, more than enough to stop, but got penalty brakes ... next time I was approaching the same place, just different service, I slowed to 20 at the start of platform and then gradually went down to like 5 - 7 mph, just to be sure... and that time it worked out ok

what kinda baffles me is that on some services where you have 2x unit, sometimes when you press panto up, only one goes up, which would be kinda underpowered, I guess? ... so, anyway, if for any reason only one panto is up when you try to drive a 2x unit, click on the right screen, the up arrow, panto selection, and also select the rearmost, then confirm... now you should have two pantos up, one for each unit

 

Thats how it works IRL. Euston is a higher entry speed than most termini at 20mph. Normal speed on entry is 15mph or below ideally do 14 to ensure you are below 15 then halfway down you want to be doing 9mph to be below the set 10mph

 

More like 4 letters - xbox

 

Cheers, I'll have to check later today; I think you've solved my poor acceleration issues after a panto fault.

 

On xbox can anyone do any jobs that start from Euston. Every job i try at least 10 just crashes straight back to desktop.

 

I didn't have blurry textures lately on Euston-MK, but when I use the 805 they are back. Regular timetables are still fine. I always drive with all layers on and on 4K setting. PS5.

 

front pan should be raised from looking at the photos I’ve taken of the 805s.

 

I see the annoying close doors instruction has carried over to the WCML south Evero timetable. Not sure why they have it in as its not in any other timetables.

 

So I own this pack on PC and on Xbox, overall a great experience on PC, just need the crashes to be sorted on xbox and soon. Seems basically non of the peak time services run on xbox at the moment

 

Maybe a dumb question, but I selected the first 805 run on the WCML South timetable. Blackpool North to London Euston. Starting at Milton Keynes, the pantograph was down.

Does this have a real background? I though that train was coming from the electrified WCML (Rugby, Trent Valley, etc.) so why would the panto not be raised?

 

This happened to me and won’t load without out of memory message then crashes.

 

I am still loving this train set. Just did my first run on B-C and can see that, once the MK to Crewe is done, we will have a full drive from Euston to Crewe with these 805s since the services out to the west coast at Chester and Holyhead use the inland route.

 

I got a TWS warning for closing in a red light a little too fast and it’s literally impossible to restart the train again. I know how to handle a TWS warning but the brake pipe simply doesn’t come down

 

I had it too. Seems the penalty waiting period is a lot longer on this one (took a few minutes). It did recover for me, but only after a few minutes

 

I also did a quick acceleration test - it took over 4mins, maybe 4.5 mins, for the train to reach the line speed of 110 mph under diesel (and I thought this was an upgrade over 802 when it comes to diesel? ), and about 2.5 - 3 mins under electric power... so nice, tho nothing to write home about

that thing with a panto for each unit, I havent really done a test if the train actually moved quicker with both units taking power from pantos or if one panto raised was enough... in reality, it should matter, in-game, havent tested it... now you have gotten me curious tho, might do a quick test later

 

Why in the WCMLS timetable there's only the 710/2 and not also the 710/3 ? Is it prototypical that only that subclass was used in 2025 or is it just a bug ? Also that's a real bummer that the 350/1 used in the timetable is not the reworked one but that ugly counterpart made by dovetail.

 

Unfortunately the last four runs haven't had a pantograph fault,so I'll drop to one on free room .
Be nice if all aboard studios explained the ten car pantograph, rather than waiting for you to point out the console.
Couldn't get the 10 car to work on the rearmost pantograph on it's own.
Thanks again.
I also agree with Erick further back in the post;there is indeed some popping with the sound.It isn't major, though you can hear it.Over the points at speed it's most noticeable.

 

On PS5. Scenarios, journeys, and timetable runs are completely empty.

 

For everyone I'm pretty sure. The issue has been present since the route released.

DTG please can we have less releases and more bug fixes.

 

Do you mean empty traffic wise or empty train? As on mine there was a fair amount of AI trains at Euston and along the route (a lot more than the previous TT)

 

so I have just finished with some brief testing - I tried these scenarios:
- rearmost panto only
- front panto of trailing unit only
- both pantos of trailing unit only
- frontmost panto of lead unit only
- one panto on each unit (frontmost and rearmost)

first four cases had abysmal acceleration, almost as on diesel, in 2mins it reached only 60 mph... in the last case, it reached full line speed aka 110 mph in around 2:40 mins

btw I havent tried the double unit on diesel... in a hypothetical case you tried driving a double unit on diesel, do you have to turn the engine only from the front cab or do you have to do it on each unit separately?
edit: I tested the diesel, and it looks like it is enough to start the engines from the active cab, traction status display on the right screen shows the traction motors active in both units - if anyone can confirm this is correct let me know

 

When I tried it on diesel, the pantographs on both sets came down and I could hear the DPU’s running on all the powered cars. The only anomaly was the CDU still showing 25kv, as I previously reported.

 

This makes sense - in real life, high voltage power is NOT transferred between EMU sets via the coupling (only control data). So in the first four scenarios you'd have had effectively half power.

 

Additional feedback after rebuying the DLC.
1A44 1501 MKC to Euston (ex Chester) has the pantograph down on taking over the service. Think this might have been reported with other services too?

And yes there is a definite gap in the sound traversing some points and crossings. The sound fades and it’s definitely the loop as there’s no pause or stutter which we normally associate with core glitches.

On a positive note, driving up the WCMLS at 1530 on a wet November afternoon, nice to see it so busy.

 

I find the 805 add on okay, but I find the time table that has been used for this service a complete work of fiction. It is supposed to be a timetable from, I believe, May 2025 or there a bouts. Well I live close to this line, north of Stafford, and to say your time table is incorrect is being very conservative with the truth.
Let me give you one small example.
The 11.00am service from Euston to Chester, in the current time table departs at 11.02. Well what's a couple of minutes between friends. Well a lot if you want to get it right. Now I know, because I have checked, that the 1102 service doesn't go anywhere near Birmingham, because that service runs up the Trent valley and on to Crewe and Chester. it meets the WCML at Stafford where it calls at, because Stafford is a main junction calling point for trains to Stone, Stoke on Trent and stations to Manchester and others.
So i would like to know why, if Stafford is a main junction for the Stoke on Trent loop and the Trent Valley, why no trains departing Birmingham New Street call at Stafford in game. They all have a running time of 20 minutes and go from Birmingham straight to Crewe without calling at Stafford, which is the county town for Staffordshire.
Can you do something about this, for running to Crewe without stopping is very boring. Adding Stafford as a stop would break up the boring bit, and it is very boring at the moment.

 

As a Chester boy I had to buy this as these units have put an end to the torture of 20 years of travelling on Voyagers. Couple of comments from me (PC user):

9G26 on Euston - Milton Keynes, the first service I tried, had its tail lights on between the first and second unit.

On this same service the route seemed unrealistically empty (I have all of the layers). I didn't see ANY trains running on the up fast between London and MK, only a bunch of 350s on the slows and a single tube train. I'm currently running 1A20 on Birmingham - Crewe and it's the same, there were no other trains in Crewe station at 10am and I'm now arriving in Stafford having seen only one 350 the whole way..Seems strange for a line that's well known for having no remaining capacity.

For my fellow PC users, beware of existing timetable mods. I had to unfortunately disable Fawx's 2024 TT for Euston - Milton Keynes as each time I opened timetable mode I was seeing duplicate versions of either the 805 TT or Fawx's (different one each time I launched TSW). Clicking to see the TT details showed that they were two separate timetables, but they were displaying the same name.

The naming convention for the two 805 timetables is different and threw me off. I thought I was missing the Birmingham - Crewe timetable and spent a fair bit of time trying to figure out where I might have a similar mod conflict. I even performed an integrity check on the game before realising the new timetable with the 805 was "GJR modern" and was hiding in plain sight...

JB

 

I have found another problem now with the class class 805 when leaving says unlock doors which I did then looked click sound etc when I move I notice it says unlock doors etc

 

PS5
TT 2025
I've been looking into the AI operation of the Bakerloo (Sleet) test trains and I'd say they don't show up as AI, or do they only run at certain times of the year?

 

It's only winter months isn't it?

 

I thought that as well. Looking at the timetable we are currently missing the London - Crewe 350 services via the Trent Valley and some of the Birmingham to Liverpool services, but if I understand correctly more services will be coming when the Trent Valley line is released. See this post from Candace: https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...t-class-805-out-now.96349/page-2#post-1086073 .

Also, while not strictly related to the 805, when I tried one of the TfW services between Birmingham and Wolverhampton on the new timetable I was spawned at a random location (Penkridge, in fact). I haven't checked to see if it's a wider problem with those services, but it's the same problem as the 220 services on Manchester commuter.

 

Are you sure, you have this right?

The 805 services are correctly running between Stafford and Crewe.

The 350 services are correctly running between Birmingham New Street and Crewe.

Apart from the Trent Valley Crewe-Euston services there’s nothing missing and it seems busy enough for me.

Have people definitely got all the layers ticked and activated as this doesn’t tally with any of the services I’ve played.

 

I tried running different months of the year, September, October, January, March, May and so far I haven't come across it....... so I don't know.......

 

I was replying to DTG Harry's request for pictures of passengers not spawning in.

 

DTG Harry requested screenshots of passengers not spawning in. I was replying to that.

 

Just passed a 350 with the front gangway open on B2C, driving 805 service 9R28 just as I was leaving Wolverhampton.

 

Having a look at the Layers in the timetable and it is not letting me select these 2 but i own the WCMLS route ???


EDIT: ignore me this is layers in place for the TV route

 

I believe issue 2 is present on the 801 also. Wonder if the GWR variant was actually developed first, or, and probably more likely, it is some legacy thing linked to GWE being an early route