[maxtracks] Leeds North West: Airedale & Wharfedale Lines Route

Rule Number One of Scenarios - If you don't own a train change it to one you do have
It does not have to be 100% accurate
LocoSwap makes that very easy - https://github.com/flicard/LocoSwap/releases/tag/v1.6.1.0

Just because you don't have the AP version with all the fancy extras change it to an normal version
And you can get a lot of stock in the Sale that is now on.

 

Thanks, I will try that. I'm just not very ghood at messing with things in Train Sim but hopefully this will work.

 

Question for anyone who has purchased/installed this route - can you possibly confirm the size of the install please? My PC drive is quite full and I'm already in the position of not being able to have all my rolling stock/routes present in the Railworks folder at the same time, manually transferring them to a storage drive when not in use. (If only there was a TSC equivalent to MSTS Trainstore... sigh...)
I'm keen to get this route as its right up my alley but shelling out £30 for a route that will cause me storage problems is something I want to avoid.

 

Managed to find it in the routes folder, mine says 215mb. Hope this helps

 

Before you buy the route check the Scenario Requirements as it needs a number of AP packs which will add to the space on your drive.
Or you could get a new internal drive for your computer and buy the route at a later date.

 

Leeds NW Routes Folder: 223,123,399 bytes
MaxTracks Assets Folder: 2,043,082,500 bytes

Don't know about Scenario Requirements, I usually swap them out with Locoswap or TSTools.

 

Thanks folks, that’s really helpful.

 

I believe the route is about 1.5GB including assets, then with the Class 333, ATS common library it'll add up to about 2.5GB total.

 

Thank you to all the route creators and testers. It is a fabulous piece of work, one of the best.

 

It's not going to personally stop me from buying the route, but working with ATS after the Class 755/745 enshitification and the other crazy stuff that happened is crazy work, though I don't hold anything against the devs for it.

 

First and foremost, there are many sensible people who refuse to have anything to do with ATS after the Class 755/745 disaster, on top of the other nonsense that was pulled behind closed doors. I feel sorry for people who like to defend bad actors and just forget the terrible things they've done, but I'm not gonna let that malarkey slide just because a potentially good route is being sold on the ATS website. If you want to believe a TSC user is foolish for not wanting anything to do with ATS, that's perfectly fine, but calling the user a "fool" over his justified disdain of ATS is foolish in and of itself. ATS is no innocent soul and you know that, so stop pretending otherwise because it only makes you look like a fool and to be honest, you really are one for trying to defend ATS of all the out of touch developers out there.

 

Care to show me where I called anyone a fool if you are going to throw accusations around and make things up at least have the courage to show where such words got used. Or kindly edit your comment to reflect what was actually said. Or will do you what a normal troll does and just ignore this message and not reply.

 

Quick drives: I am in the process of building quick drives for my own fun and enjoyment - I was brought up in Burley in Wharfedale and still travel the route a fair amount as family are still in Ilkley. They will have AI and static. They'll be timed for 2020 so as to avoid the purple swoosh Northern livery of which I am no fan. I am trying to get the passing trains at about the right places having spent a bit of time with the timetables to get a "typical" pattern for the Airedale and Ilkley lines. When I have finished I'll be in contact MaxTracks to offer them on.

 

You could read what you wrote in #30 on the previous page

 

Not calling anyone a fool it’s a figure of speech. Don’t like ats that’s your problem.

does the issues affect us the customers what happened behind closed doors so speak ?? No as a customer all we are interested in is the product. Whatever happened between ATS and developers is between them no me the customer. I get your points but back door issues shouldn’t affect the customer base.

 

Your entire reply to the user. The tone of your reply, your choice of words, your inability to understand where the user was coming from. Shall I go on? That whole reply of yours was basically you calling the user a fool. You say you get our points, but your recent reply tells me the opposite. If I was a troll, you'd know, lol. You are the type of person who would call anyone who dared to have any sort of disdain for ATS, a troll. Like the user said, the devs of the route could have chosen to publish their route somewhere that's more reputable and isn't known for being a weapons grade neanderthal allergic to criticism, however I wouldn't hold that against Maxtracks since it's their decision and they have nothing to do with what ATS did.

Your response to the user, which completely invalidated the user's concerns and disdain for ATS because a product is apparently that good, was straight up repulsive, disrespectful and completely unnecessary. The fact you tried to defend it at first is even worse. Calling someone a troll for calling out wrongful behavior, is blatantly ridiculous. You could have responded in a much better way.

 

Also, completely disregarding the actions of ATS over your interest in a product by another developer is just enabling ATS' wrongful actions. You can like the product and buy the product, nothing wrong with that. Being hostile to people who simply announce their disdain for ATS, is straight up wrong and disrespectful. You got really defensive when that user announced his disdain for ATS, how would you like it if he invalidated your interest in ATS? You wouldn't like it, so what makes you believe it's okay for you to do it?

 

While I don't agree with every decision or move by ATS, they've been nothing but good and well intentioned to me and all the developers I work alongside. I'm aware there's somewhat mixed views on them in the community and some loud voices against them, but the accounts of certain individuals with an axe to grind (or making themselves out to be victims of situations they caused) do not align with anything I experienced in many years of working with ATS.

I don't see why I should have to justify my choice of publisher when I have plenty of perfectly good reasons for my decision, but I do consider the ATS lads good friends and it saddens me that you hold such a warped and negative view, as someone who knows them to be kind, hardworking people who have always been understanding of circumstances, flexible and accommodating with deadlines, and have paid all invoices for work done promptly and fully.

Anyway, that's my bit from my firsthand experience. I'd rather this thread not become an ATS hate/argument thread so I'd appreciate if that was discussed elsewhere.

As for the route, I'm really pleased with the response on the whole and glad there still seems to be interest in TSC content. Before release I honestly wasn't sure if this would be my last major TSC route/project, but while there's nothing to announce just yet the enthusiasm has given myself and the guys on the team an appetite to create more.

There's a patch on the way in the coming days to address a few bug fixes of issues raised and suggestions by the community (including some quick drive AI as mentioned here) so I'll post the patch notes here as soon as it's out.

 

The route is amazing and was a great surprise when it was announced. Just goes to show there is still more in the older sim yet and the community i am sure will be glad of any content.

You are right you do not need to justify yourself to ANYONE on these forums your work your choice plain and simple. The way the other members has came into this positive thread and tried to turn it negative with a view to cause arguments it seems has been reported to the moderators and i am sure when they are on they will remove the comments and ensure the thread stays on topic and positive. Keep up the great work and i wish you well in future ventures .

 

Too many haters out there. A product is a product no matter who is the vendor. We each have the choice to purchase or not purchase. Respectfully

 

Exactly this absolutely zero need for the comments above.

 

I was considering agreeing with you, until you said this "and it saddens me that you hold such a warped and negative view, as someone who knows them to be kind, hardworking people who have always been understanding of circumstances, flexible and accommodating with deadlines, and have paid all invoices for work done promptly and fully." Yeah, I get the PR talk, I really do. You're a developer trying to make great content for TSC users. I'm a hardcore 'Murican at heart and enjoy European content in TSC just as much as I do US content.

However, trying to gaslight people who are completely against ATS (justifiably so) due to their unprofessional actions can easily rub people the wrong way, especially when you're acting like people who loathe ATS don't have a good reason for loathing them. It's like trying to defend DTG despite how absurd they are and (I'm not even going to open up that can of worms). You can't just ignore and invalidate peoples' feelings regarding ATS. It's a really bad move for a developer. If a developer can't take constructive criticism, then that's the developer's problem, not the customer's problem.

The point here, is that while you have the freedom to choose where you publish your content, just as the customers are to respect your decision to publish your content wherever you please, you also have to respect customer's concerns and criticism, especially when it comes to dealing with bad actors. It really disappoints and saddens me that you prefer to invalidate the negative experiences that people (including a developer as well) have had with ATS, over understanding them and taking their feedback into consideration. Dying on that hill is kind of disrespectful.

 

If someone is a hater for loathing ATS due to their unprofessional behavior and overpriced/overrated Flirt packs, then I must have one heck of a hate brick.

 

It’s funny the troll replies on a Saturday and not during the week when he thinks the moderators don’t work. Unlucky for him yet again he is flaming for an argument and unfortunate for him candacedtg does come here at weekends so hopefully they can remove the posts above as well as the troll.

 

The problem is you are not giving the developer any critism nor can you as you don’t own his route. You are just here on a Saturday thinking you are smart and no staff will deal with you because it is a weekend how wrong you are as candice monitors here at weekends so unlucky for you.

to give a developer criticism you need to own said product to give a developer criticism something you don’t own so your attempt at trying to deflect your posts failed.
If you loathe DTG as well why you here. Oh because you want attention. Go and get it elsewhere then.

 

For heaven's sake why don't you just wind your neck in and leave the rest of us to enjoy and comment on what is possibly one of the finest routes to land in us TSC users laps in the past don't know how many years. In case you hadn't noticed this thread is titled
[maxtracks] Leeds North West: Airedale & Wharfedale Lines Route
NOT
Voice My Private Vendetta Against ATS
Please just back off and keep your personal ATS Vendetta to yourself or
a) Start a separate thread on another forum as this has nothing to do with DTG
or
b) take your grievance up with ATS directly.

MaxTracks BE PROUD, VERY PROUD This route is nothing short of a masterpiece, and as to who you decide to publish with is down to your good self and your team and no-one else.
Thank you so much for sharing this gem with us the wider community, it is very much appreciated.
Long may you continue.

 

Oh boy, quite the defensive one are you? Getting that defensive over ATS is diabolical. And I'm already aware that DTG are censor-happy, so I wouldn't be surprised if they came to punish me for daring to say something negative about ATS. I made no criticism towards MT's route, yet you believe I did for some reason. You want to believe I'm here to cause trouble, but your claims are just straight up delusional.

Firstly, I actually do have the route. I don't know where your assumption of me not owning a copy of the route came from, but your assumption was hilariously wrong. I'm not from the UK, so I couldn't criticize the accuracy of the route if I wanted to. I could definitely criticize other things about it when I actually get to running something on the route, but the route isn't high on my list of things to do. Thanks for the laugh though, that had me howling.

Secondly, I may loathe DTG, however I'm not going to let my disdain for DTG stop me from participating on the forum. It's definitely not because I want attention. In fact, I'm rarely active on the forum anyway, so you just made another ridiculous and easily disprovable claim. I only come here when I feel like it.

And finally, I wasn't deflecting. I don't know how bad mouthing ATS and criticizing MT for trying to tell me that I have some "warped view" of ATS, when I know myself more than MT will ever know me and I know exactly what I heard from people who actually don't sweep things under the rug, is such a big issue, seeing as you obviously care more about spending money than calling out bad actors (which doesn't surprise me at all really).

 

I really don't care what the thread is titled. Attempting to bully me off the thread and the forum over me bad mouthing ATS and criticizing ATS is just proving my point. This is a public forum, not your personal safe space. It's not my fault you folks love a bad actor so much that you're willing to look past the actions of ATS so you can spend money.

 

so you are making fun of others for spending there money at ATS but YOU have claimed YOU BOUGHT THE ROUTE so you have gave ATS some of your money as well. LOL yeah your logic makes PERFECT SENSE

 

Just loving this route

Errr DTG have nothing to do with ATS

Ha Ha Ha Ha Your feedback on the route so far has been enthralling, correct me if I am wrong but you hate ATS with a vengeance and would never ever deal with them, but you own the MaxTracks route which is available only through ATS?
Or are you owning up publicly to gaining a pirated illegal copy from elsewhere?
I think we are the ones all howling at your postings.
Welcome your postings of your latest screenshot on this route.

 

I never made fun of anyone for buying the route. I only bought the route to see if it was good or not. You're the one making assumptions, not me lol.

 

Yes, I do own a copy of the route. Is there anything wrong with that? I don't think anyone who pirated anything would confirm or deny such a baseless accusation, now would they?

"Oh boy, quite the defensive one are you? Getting that defensive over ATS is diabolical. And I'm already aware that DTG are censor-happy, so I wouldn't be surprised if they came to punish me for daring to say something negative about ATS."

I'm not the one who brought up my disdain for DTG, lol. Someone else did. Try reading posts before replying to them, lol.

Also, laughter is the best medicine, so laugh away. Also, only two of you would be laughing, not that it really matters cause you two are defending ATS. I'm not, that's the difference. I don't defend bad actors, you folks do.

 

And if anything, people defending ATS are the folks I usually make fun of, and I just happened to encounter two.

 

Each to their own
Happy days, I am currently playing TSC using the MaxTracks route with a wonderful wappy cocker spaniel by my side.
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Good Night

 

I will just echo this statemant.
Do we really need this ????????????????
DTG Alex DTG Jamie DTG JD DTG Adam

 

you are making fun of yourself. You also failed to acknowledge Craigie-C comment about you purchasing the route from ATS whom you dislike and how MaxTracks was awful for selling it there so why would you want to buy it from said store you are slating constantly on here or you have managed to receive it elsewhere without purchase. So which is it then.

 

Hiding behind the staff over someone saying things that offend you, classic.

 

dropped you a message as well via the message function here.

 

Sorry but I just have to go for a wee

GET A LIFE

 

"You also failed to acknowledge Craigie-C comment about you purchasing the route from ATS whom you dislike and how MaxTracks was awful for selling it there so why would you want to buy it from said store you are slating constantly on here or you have managed to receive it elsewhere without purchase. So which is it then."

Woah, where do I start?

I purchased the route to see if it was good or if I would have had more fun throwing a brick at someone's window. I didn't get to use it, because I got sidetracked buying virtualrailroads stuff. You know what, I ain't gotta explain myself to you or anyone else, so you can figure that out.

I never EVER said Maxtracks was awful or evil for selling it there. I was just saying that him throwing the disdain people (not just me) have for ATS is pretty insane and not a very good move as developer, or something along those lines. Maxtracks isn't evil or villainous for deciding to sell his route on ATS. I just criticized him for doing it, though again, I never said he was awful for that.

"Which is it then?" I'm sorry, I didn't know you had authority to interrogate me on how I acquired a pay ware product. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not obligated to address that hilariously baseless suspicion of yours, unless you've got the evidence on deck Detective TrainSimUser.

 

"Sorry but I just have to go for a wee"

Okay, you do that...

"GET A LIFE"

What, lol. Yeah, defending ATS real hard there.

 

Hiding behind the staff because I said something you took offense to, is really just proving my point. I'm pretty sure they have more important things to do than to protect your feelings.

 

a) I am in no way offended
b) I am not hiding behind anybody
I have reported you to the same people that would also bar me for posting equal ??????????????????

 

a) I am in no way offended
b) I am not hiding behind anybody
I have reported you to the same people that would also bar me for posting equal ??????????????????

 

A. To be reporting me, for bad mouthing ATS, oh you definitely are.
B. Yes you are.

No, you just got offended and want me punished, lol.

 

hardly defending ATS you are defending ATS as well then as you BOUGHT the route from them didnt you or did you source it elsewhere i see you are quick to reply to EVERYTHING ELSE bar answer that question

 

A. Yes you are.
B. You absolutely are, lol.

Actions speak louder than words buddy.

 

I never defended ATS. I would never defend such an unprofessional con artist. I'm not a TSC user, not a lawyer.

"BOUGHT the route from them didnt you or did you source it elsewhere." I have no obligation to answering that question. Why are you so insistent on getting an answer from me, when you know you're not getting an answer? Quite the persistent one aren't you? I get that.

"answer that question" How 'bout no?

Also, that bold claim of how you're hardly defending ATS is about as believable as the existence a talking rock.

"i see you are quick to reply to" Oh yes, I can reply quickly whenever I feel like doing so. Don't really see what relevance that carries though.

 

Why do i need to defend ATS??????? on this forum thread?
Please stop posting your personal grievances on this thread

 

Why are you defending ATS.

Also, last time I checked, this is a public forum, not China or North Korea, and definitely not the UK either.