New Jt Route Cumbrian Coast: Carlisle - Whitehaven From Just Trains

TSW is full of compromises so it wouldnt be the most unworkable reskin. TSC and TSW have both suffered from a serious lack of 1st gen units especially those found in north west england other than the 101. Scotland had a right mix in the mid to late 80s partly down to a depot fire.

 

I was looking on the Railcar UK site earlier and although the 107's and 108's were both Derby built DMU's there were significant differences - 107's had heavier (all steel) bodies and bogies plus slightly different window style and a headcode box. Though interestingly it looks like the mechanical equipment was similar so presumably they were slightly less quick off the mark than a 108.

 

North Clyde to Helensburgh Central, so we could get West Highland southern option in the future! 1982/84, perfect timeframe Imo! Back on topic now, guys!

 

Day one, take my money now etc....

 

I get why you said "Pressed Steel " body. It is however, actually the standard Derby design.

 

You're quite right I'm getting my DMUs mixed up, I stand corrected!
In any case, that style of body was very common.

 

Most classes had this style.

 

No more Scottish DMUs please unless, of course, it is one of these ugly buggers
(Plus the route that they ran on.................That really would be a breath of fresh Ayr ).

 

That is a beautiful-ugly thing to appear on my screen to brighten up a grey Sunday morning. Fantastic! They don’t build ‘em like they used to (and it’s probably for the best, but still…)

 

The 126s were really bizarre asymmetrical things, but I suppose an interesting solution to the gangway cab problem as discussed on another thread. Later on the gangways were removed, resulting in the worst of both Worlds for the 'inner' cab!

 

Nice one! Never travelled on or I think even saw one of these in service, sadly. Didn’t they have a Class 120 Cross Country style cab at the non gangwayed end?

 

It did indeed, here's a photo I've found of the other end:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/66289212@N07/10595037175
Sad to see how much of a state Ayr station is in now compared to then!

 

They were regulars in the "Scottish bay" at Carlisle back in the late 70s-early 80s. Bizarre units altogether. If JT carry on with their expansion from the hubs of Carlisle and Preston we may even see one in the game one day , though I doubt there'd be much call for the route itself?

 

Well I would love to see the GSW or part of it and our best chance of getting a 26 or 27 in the game.

 

Another day one from me, quite an interesting route if done in the right period. Although its seriously long so maybe only to Dumfries but throw the Maxwelltown branch in and the Freight stubs around the North of Carlisle such as Longtown and Eastriggs.

Now they have announced to Whitehaven I have a bit more confidence they would tackle stuff like this. A 26 or 27 indeed and Some Air braked Speedlink vans which TSW has none of yet.

 

I was thinking more Kilmarnock which gives the scenic section but avoids the complexity of running into Glasgow.

 

The old G&SW is fascinating; the P&WJR too. Keith Ross's Port Road route for TSC was excellent, and it prompted me to finally go up and explore that part of the country last Summer.

 

I think maybe Kilmarnock too far although yes decent line. Lots of long AB sections.....

 

I really hope on Content Creators club we can attach a 101 carriage to the 108 and make a hybrid set.

 

This is the one I've been waiting for!!! Im from Carlisle, my aunt lives in Wigton and family friends in Whitehaven. We were up and down this line during the 80s on the 108s. It would be nice if you could run a few steam trains also. But im not expecting the option.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if there is a steam railtour.

 

Blackpool branches has an 8F tour I think, so I expect there's something similar as a layer.

 

Even if there isn't a steam railtour in the timetable, there's nothing stopping anyone from spawning on in and driving it

 

Just wondering if at the time there might have been restrictions operating Mark One stock over the route, due to lack of window bars across the door drop lights? Not though that could prevent a bit of artistic licence of course.

 

I wondered that but I am sure back in the late 80's when I started buying railway magazines, I saw pictures of steam railtours over the Cumbrian coast. I could be mis-remembering as its a long time ago.

Edit: Just had a quick google, it seems there was a Cumbrian coast express in 1982 but that was between Carnforth and Maryport, so presumably not the northern section. As you say some modellers licence can be enacted (I am sure some class 40's will feature anyway ).

 

Please.... retire the 40s!

 

Nah

 

Workington without 40s is unthinkable

 

I remember Flying Scotsman (in it’s 4472 guise) coming through Workington around 1980.

 

Back then didn't they have a more sensible attitude to H&S rather than trying to protect every moron from themselves?

 

Mk1s were the staple for the Mystery Tours and Daytrippers … they’d be parked up in one of the centre roads at Workington for weeks either side of the trip. Had some great ones - York, Llandudno, Nottingham, all sorts … always a rake of steam heated Mk1s (usually corridor-only stock, no first class, no buffet) hauled by a KD 40.

 

Fair enough re the Mark Ones, maybe there was indeed some sort of dispensation to run them. I can’t recall what year the bars were mandated on the 108’s.

 

Couldn't stand them in real life, one of the few loco types in the mass 1980s withdrawals I didn't worry about.
But my biggest gripe - aside from the fact they were retired before JT's routes are set - is that the TSW model is poor, dated and awful to drive.

Put them in the bin!

 

I have to agree (sort of) in finding the 40 unwelcome here.

Personally I do really like them & much prefer them to certain other BR locos, but in TSW it’s really outstayed its welcome on most the routes it’s featured. Especially as above in regards to being quite a dated TSW product.

The thing was all but extinct by the late 80’s & I really hope that JT are working on a new loco for us.

 

I would love to see either NTP given the remaster and TOD4 treatment or a new suitable route for the class 40 (or both). If the layers/substitutions work in the same way as Blackpool it will be possible to remove the class 40 (on Cumbrian coast) without removing lots of services.

A reskin into D200 would be welcome though.

 

I was going to say it's become the class 66 of "Heritage" traction, but then I'd be wrong.

The 66 gets an update (and it seems a new variant) with every modern day DLC whereas the 40 is still the same model that released with Heavy Freight DLC, It really is due an upgrade.

 

NTP - would need extentive upgrades to it following electrifaction, station moves, rebuilt etc etc unless it is a dated DLC into another era. Currently called TransPennine Route Upgrade (TRU). Plus going by other thread on poll. But won't go their on this one.

 

For a whole new route yes, not a remaster.

 

A lighting upgrade and new timetable layering the 31 and 3 car class 101 would do it for me. Plus upgrading the stock with suspension etc.

 

Enough modern day routes, NTP needs a decent remaster and stock refresh/new timetable.

 

They're not talking about making it modern day, though

 

Hell no, take your modern cr*p somewhere else

 

No retro route could be modernised that much anyway. Take the steam route from Crewe to Liverpool for example. Would be better off starting from scratch given all the changes over the decades.

 

They “always” had them while I lived there (76-83), but TBH I don’t know when they were introduced either

 

I'd say the 47s were the equivalent of the 66s in this era on TSW at least. But I like that JT give us more variation with the 47s like liveries, subclasses etc than just the same 66s in the same liveries.

It is about time we get an updated 31 or 37 though! 31 would be beautiful!

 

I think we’ll be all good regarding the 47 once Preston - Crewe drops. Upgraded liveries and sounds should be great. I’m still not convinced by the current exhaust dynamics, however.

I agree though, it’s definitely time for the 31/37 to get some love.

 

An updated 31 with a headlight, a braking system that works and added to Livery editor would be a beautiful thing indeed.

 

Did somebody say Flying Scotsman at Workington? Ta-da, found this one from 1991.
https://flic.kr/p/2n6aW9i

I sort of agree regarding the 40, I don't have an issue with them in game, just that it's an old model and needs a refresh though it still holds up much better than the Peak which is rancid (just like Peaks in real life to be fair).

 

Nice pic! Way after my time though … 31s in the bay, incredible! In my day it was 25s and 40s. I’m pretty sure it was 1979 or 1980 when I saw Flying Scotsman there - even had a photo of it but it was accidentally cleared out in a house move several years ago

Edit: just found this… https://newsquest.newsprints.co.uk/...tation-on-23rd-febrary-1980-50082650t000-jpg/