NEW RELEASE! On Track Simulation's new Midland Main Line: Modern Passenger Operations Scenario Pack (2018-2019) for TSC is now available to buy directly from Just Trains. This is the second Scenario Pack from developer On Track Simulations, following the release of the Heavy Freight Scenario Pack (2018-2019) last year. This Modern Passenger Operations Scenario Pack brings you 15 engaging scenarios for Just Trains’ popular Midland Main Line route series for TS Classic, providing an additional 15+ hours of drive time covering all corners of the route and giving you the chance to take control of a variety of locomotive classes on services from core Train Operating Companies. This could cost you an arm and a leg if you don't have all the dependencies. Just Trains - Midland Main Line: Modern Passenger Operations Scenario Pack (2018-2019)
I calculate £823.37 of dependancies Excluding TSC game itself, and the "dependancies" that require other "dependancies", and the £9.99 to buy the pack - above is calculated at todays "non sale" prices from Steam, JT, AP I'm also guessing that the MML routes need to be the Just Trains version that can be merged (as opposed to the Steam purchased ones that cannot be merged!) For 15 hours driving - thats £54.86 an hour!
That scares me as I have them all. However this has been built up since Railworks 3 and probably 80% was bought in a sale. Looking forward to this pack. If it's half as good as the freight pack, then it's going to be fun.
How many people will buy the pack if they don't own the Route the Pack is for. How many people won't have ANY of the DLC Listed if they have been playing the game for more than a few years And how many players of TSC don't use TS Tools or LocoSwap to change what they don't have to what they do.
This is the silly post! My original post contains no expression or opinion about the costs. Just a factual representation of some of the cost that are involved relating to this pack. If you wish to jump to your own conclusions then fine, but do NOT miss represent the facts that I have posted, and opinions I have NOT expressed!
I think the post highlighted quite a valid point. TSC is very much for enthusiasts these days. A lot of things being published have huge lists of requirements and yes, you can use locoswap but how many people want to play enough to want to swap stock around first. Personally I quite enjoy the hunt for requirements and reskins hence why after 16 years of playing Railworks / TSC, it's rare for me to need much. But even myself had to make a reasonable investment to play Steam Sounds Supreme's (Excellent) new Severn Valley Route. There is very little that comes out that is completely self contained these days. If you have the requirements though, packs like this are excellent and one of the benefits of TSC over TSW in my opinion. You can play good length routes with all the actual stock and all the realistic branding.
For your clarity and understanding, the point of my original post was in response to the OP post, saying that the dependancies could cost an arm and a leg. I just wanted to put an approximate figure on that - Simples! Where do you want to stop with working out the true cost? Computer cost, hardware, peripherals. electricity usage, monitor, chair, coffee while driving.... etc etc Yes my calucation included all the MML DLC, would be interested to see what figure you could come too?
Bought the pack. Really like these comprehensive scenario packs for mml and some other routes. Hope there are more to come. Played one of them so far and enjoyed it.
And yet again we have another thread where 749006 has to be argumentative to someone and turn a thread into an argument. Almost like a daily occurrence now. Dont see anything wrong with your post westcastlerail didnt see you say anything negative at all shame you got attacked for making a comment explaining things.
I must admit, I was not aware that it was now possible to buy all the JT Midland Mainline DLC in one bundle at £69.00. Buying separately the DLC, by my calculations comes in at £138.73 on the JT website at today's (non sale) prices. So, the saving for buying all the JT MML DLC as a bundle works out £68.74 So in the interest of balance, I will deduct £68.74 from my original post total of £823.37, to a revised total for the DLC required for this scenerio pack of £754.63 Hope you are now happy 749006 with post? (and prehaps withdraw/rephrase the comment that it was a stupid post?) Or alternatively, would you like to submit an alternative total price for the dependants for this pack, using your own calculations that will be helpful for anyone considering purchasing the scenario pack?
Wouldn’t waste your time he will always twist things to divert blame from himself I have noticed. That is a bargain price for the full network I purchased mine individually as the packs released and honestly don’t grudge the price I paid to complete the network an amazing collection of route for TSC and some of the best routes JT created for TSC. iIRC they do a similar bundle for there western mainlines route as well where you can buy th entire collection of routes for a heavy discount.
Can you just drop it for crying out loud. There was nothing wrong with the post you see so determined to make a big thing off
He has answered your question in enough occasions since you first jumped on his comment leave him alone and stop trying to cause arguments in threads anywhere you can I am not the only person to notice you doing this. No need to reply to me as I have reported you already for this just leave the member alone. He is allowed to reply to trevkiwi original comment with FACTS without you jumping on his comment in an aggressive tone. I have said all I am saying to you in this thread no further reply is needed from you to try and twist the attention from you your wrongdoings to someone else so please don’t tag me in any further replies then you
When users of the forum don't afford the courtsey of answering any of the questions asked in replying to a post, or come up with an alternative cost, or deem it un-neccessary to withdraw / rephrase a posted phrase (like the "stupid post") I prefer to choose not to continue to engage with them. It is not helpful for anyone who is interested in the subject matter of this thread (and many other threads) when answers to questions continually are replied with no answers, and just replied to with more questions, presumably to just get a reaction. (like this one!)
I'm sorry but once again you are talking rubbish I Deleted or amended those posts - not an admin or other trainsimuser or should I call you 390001?
No idea who or what you are referencing or calling me but you are totally wrong just like you are with deleting your comments because “you” even removed replies you made to me rudely yesterday as well which you wouldn’t do off your own back. If you did remove them then fair play to yourself for coming back and realising the errors you made but I very much doubt you done that yourself.
As I said I did remove/edit my comments. I read what westcastlerail had said and realised I was maybe too harsh in my comments.. We all have bad days If you don't wish to believe that I removed my comments then that is your choice.
Indeed it does illustrate the point that TSC is a product for enthusiasts. If the dependencies are on sale then the £800+ comes down to around £400. That would only buy a couple of new 00 guage locos. Saving that would mean investing time and skill into using Locoswap or equivalent. In just the same way that scrstchbuilding locos from base materials can save on the cost of a new ready to run model loco. Yes, skill and time is needed if you don't have deep pockets. This is why TSC is the equivalent of a model railway compared to TSW which is the equivalent of a boxed train set. TSC has all these options available , which makes it such a powerful long-term simulator for the real enthusiast.
I came to TSC during lockdown when could not easily get hold of model railway parts / stock. Now current on my 7th model railway layout , and my rolling stock of locomotives sit there and only get run occasionally to keep them ‘run in’ The difference is, the model railway locos are hopefully increasing or at least holding value and I can repair them or sell them if the need ever arises. Once my 6 year TSC PC dies or something stops working, that’s pretty much TSC over for me and all that monies on DLC pretty much evaporates. I have model trains from every decade over the last 50 years that still work perfectly. I don’t have anything electronic that still works!
That seems quite an elitist idea of what a 'real enthusiast' should be. I'm playing TSC a lot less and playing TSW rather more. I've also started volunteering on a heritage railway, doing real railway stuff. Does that mean I'm no longer a proper train enthusiast?
You could get a replacement TSC PC. I had to do that in May this year. I went for a high spec i5 based PC with a mid range graphics card which I lock at 60 fps. It's the smoothest experience of TSC I've ever had. When I was at college our electronics lecturer said that the typical operating life of electronics was 35 years, but operating temperature and build quality could extend or shrink this. Once you've bought something you can't change the build quality, but you can do something about warming. Good ventilation and periodic removal of dust and fluff will extend life.
I have got a modern PC for Flight Simming but I cannot get it to run TSC. I have been for a walk this afternoon to take the afternoon air and have had a good shave to get rid of my weekend fluff - hopefully Im reasonably well built and have got a few years left yet!
I only started building a Model Railway in Lockdown as the missus said "either build a layout or the models are going on Ebay !!! And I'm still building it I had my PC for a number of years but it was not up to Windows 11 so I got a local Computer chap in the Manchester area to rebuild the machine - I kept my drives with TSC on, the same PSU and a new MOBO with a M2 SSD. Easy to keep what you have if the computer starts getting old.
TSC is not just for enthusiasts, but if you are an enthusiast for the heritage scene, TSC is by far the best train sim. For a more convenient and PC future-proofed experience with the modern scene, especially with a console, TSW is probably the way to go. For me and my huge range of old through to modern locos and big and small routes, TSC with Raildriver is the icing on the cake for the driving experience on the whole span of eras from Victorian to modern era. I also use my TSC PC for X-Plane 11 fight sim, for which I have the yoke, rudder and throttle quadrant controls with high definition world scenery. I will keep a dedicated hi-spec powerful PC for TSC and flight sim, come what may, whatever Micro$oft thinks and wants. For other general PC use I have a cheap modern laptop PC but I keep it separate from TSC and flight sim.. Well done for volunteering on a heritage railway - that is a very worthwhile and valuable contribution to preserving the heritage, makes you more of an enthusiast! Do you find many young people there, as voluteers?
I wouldn't write off TSC if my computer stops working, just get the computer fixed or replaced. Same as if my car breaks down, it doesn't end my driving. - I either get it fixed or replaced. Good comment about anything electronic - I find that the box the stuff came in with the instruction book always outlasts the electronic item inside it!
It depends what you mean by young. Yes, some are surprisingly young - under 25, and there are two employed apprentices in the loco works, which is encouraging. I would say the majority of volunteers I see around are working age, with maybe 40% or so being retirees. I'm also surprised at the number of people employed on the mainline who volunteer. I would have thought they got enough of railways during the week, but apparently not. I asked a couple of West Midlands Trains guards why they were volunteer guards. They replied because it was completely different from the mainline, this was fun! Regarding scenarios, which this thread is really about. I love heritage train formations/consists (both terms seem to be used), they are so bizarre. Why not send out a GWR loco with LNER teak coaches on it, or an LMS liveried engine with coaches that are still twenty years in the future? Heritage lines set a precedent for running what you like, where you like.
