Liberec-stara Paka Discussion

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  1. razmatus#2517

    razmatus#2517 Well-Known Member

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    we had been one country until 1993, so anything made prior to that is pretty similar... and Skoda was active in loco/train making even after that, making stuff like InterPanter or City Elefant (I believe there used to be even a diesel version of that one)... I believe the last venture by Skoda into pure loco territory was Emil Zatopek loco, aka ZSSK 381 / CD 380 (a couple also made for DB as BR102, which was a big failure for them tho)

    there are only a couple locos or units that CD has different, like recently they were the first (along with OBB) to receive Vectron 230 locos and Vectrain cab cars (similar to OG RailJet cab cars, but with hood shape and cab controls shaped like in Vectron)... I am not familiar in-depth as to differences in MIREL versions and signalling tho, but should be pretty similar as far as I know
     
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  2. vodka#2734

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    Was it reported anywhere which languages localization will be available in?
     
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  3. subwayg0at

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    Can't wait for the manual to be released...
     
  4. jstange

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    Wanted to ask for the same - is the manual available already? Thanks.
     
  5. ToffeeKat

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    Dissappointed at the terrible popping trees and last minute LODs on vegetation.

    It was even mentioned and suitably glossed over in the preview stream as "done for performance".

    Popping in trees and vegetation that streams in 50m infront of trains should have been left back in TSW4.

    I'm sorry but set the LODs properly, don't blame it on game mechanics.

    It's shameful that what used to be the DTG get out for anything excuse "Oh, It's a Core Issue" has now developed to "Oh its broken, because Performance"
     
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  6. OldVern

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    FTFY!

    I also picked up on the stream and quite pertinent to what’s being discussed in the other thread, from the Q&A are the level crossings working correctly to which the answer was a very vague, “I think so.”
     
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  7. subwayg0at

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    If they set that high up someone's then gonna complain about low fps, stuttering and console blurred texture stuff. They did the work to set the LOD just for that. If you happen to have high-end hardware just use godmode.
     
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  8. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, it's a compromise because people are insisting on "high end performance" that will 'also play well on low end systems."
    Since the demands of customers are nonsense, the compromise usually tends to be nonsense.
     
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  9. ToffeeKat

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    I saved my money and I've got a pretty reasonable setup, those people that insist on still playing the game on GEN8 consoles and PC hardware from 1998 should be cut off at this point. DTG need to grow some balls and be realistic about what "proper specs" look like to play the game to enjoy a decent experience, I dont want to pay £30 each time a DLC comes out for some middle of the road experience because DTG still want to cling onto the last 5 players that might be playing on a Nokia 8210 or their smart toaster!
     
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    I think the routes are fine, but I believe that by dropping Gen8 there will be less QA, and that’s already a complete mess right now. So if that frees up space, it can only benefit last‑gen players. Whether the routes become shorter or lower in quality, I can’t say in the end it’s also a matter of budget and how easily you can get references. It’s not just “build it and you’re done”; there’s a lot more behind it.

    But again, Gen8 is not an improvement, and people won’t be willing to invest. You’re basically just pampering them.
     
  11. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    It's a fair point, jesper. DTG has to effectively do several times the QA because it's on so many platforms compared to the biggest competition SimRail for example is only on PC. So is Run 8. Most "simulators" are only on PC, and only on Windows so they only have to support one "game" not essentially multiple "games."

    The exceptions being MSFS, but that is are considered a "sim lite" kind of like TSW. Serious airplane simmers use DCS or X-Plane. I guess ATS/ETS also count, although they started PC only too, and they're definitely in the "sim lite" category. Point being it's a much larger workload supporting 3 or 4 similar games rather than just one bit of code on one platform.

    Side note: Serious question, are there any Apple simulators even out there? Is the market big enough to even bother? It'd be a tiny slice of an even tinier market after all.
     
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  12. jstange

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    Simrail has been on xbox for some time...
     
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  13. Kal000px

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    Hey, this is one of the topics I want to get some feedback for. The trees should use the dithered LOD transition mechanics, which means that it won't just switch from one LOD to another, but in a brief moment they would fade between each other - so the popping wouldn't be too pronounced. However, the transition requires both LODs to be drawn at the same time for a brief moment. We can ofc increase the switching distances, but that brings the performance down. And with this amount of vegetation - down a lot. So as somebody previously mentioned here, it is a kind of a compromise between visual quality and performance.
     
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    something i rlly dont get is why is there no licensing on the trains with ceske drahy logos? the trains feel kinda bland without the logos
     
  15. bidibul#3139

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    It's crazy.

    People whine about nothing and everything... but seriously, if you don't like it, get a refund, for God's sake, and stop bothering everyone with your shock absorbers or the price you don't like!
    Don't tell me this is constructive criticism! We need to stop this nonsense at some point; I really think the developers have had enough.

    Anyway, it's really great, and finally another country and something new to drive.

    I wish the developers all the best and I'm looking forward to their new projects...
     
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  16. fakenham

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    Stunned by how good the foliage work is, looks amazing, so many new assets. Hopefully they'll filter through to the new routes.
     
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  17. Crosstie

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    Well on this forum, people have the right to speak their mind and express their opinion, whether you consider it to be " constructive " or not. Whether the developers like it or not is irrelevant. Don't like criticism? Don't publish.

    " Stop this nonsense "? No, there's no censorship here, except for bad language and personal attacks.

    See, you've expressed your opinion. Perfectly valid, even if some might not agree and it might not be considered " constructive ".

    I don't know which country you live in, but in the US we guarantee free speech and I assume this is also true in the UK.

    " The least popular opinion is the most valid. " Can't remember who said that, probably JFK.
     
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  18. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    I dunno about least popular being the most "valid" but I think it was Thomas Paine who said it was the "most in need of protection."
    Also that denying someone the opportunity to hear criticism denied them the full truth and harmed their ability to make informed choices.
    He did not however say that unpopular opinions were "better."
    Neither did he defend misrepresentation or over exaggeration to the point of falsehood. Your opinion should above all be honest and the best reasoned it can be. It's the responsibility you take for the right of expressing your opinion.

    Interesting guy.
    I highly recommend his books.
    Bit of a firebrand compared to many of his contemporaries and not without his faults, but still fascinating reading.
     
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  19. lexie

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    You're not you when you're hungry, eat a Snickers.
     
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  20. Crosstie

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    Of course. But even if it's not well- reasoned, you still have the right to express it.
     
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  21. Matin_TSP

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    Off-Topic, but that's highly debatable right now. In case you didn't catch up with for example how the FCC is censoring free speech. Just one of probably thousands if examples :)

    Coming back to the route, I am still so amazed what a great first DLC of a new third party this has been. I hope you guys continue with that.
     
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  22. Crosstie

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    Yes the 1st amendment is under attack again, as it has been before. But, believe me, it will survive, as it has before.

    Anyway, this is off-topic and my last word on the subject.
     
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  23. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the right to speak with the responsibility to do your best to be honest and educated in that opinion.
    To do otherwise is to potentially harm others, which would not be your right.
    It's the whole idea of "good faith."
    If for example you spread a false rumor about someone that gets them arrested or injured, then that is testing the limits of that free speech.
    Liberty is best described as that metaphorical space between people where you can both do what you wish without harming the other.

    Let's say you want to listen to music at night and your neighbor wants to sleep at night.
    In the middle there's a level at which you can play your music that is loud enough for you to hear, but not loud enough for your neighbor to be bothered by.
    However, neither of you have the "unlimited" right to impose on the other.
    You can't prevent your neighbor from sleeping, and your neighbor can't ban you from listening to music.
    That is why rights are considered relative...because there is more than one person in the world.
     
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  24. CK95

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    You know speaking French doesn’t just allow you to talk to people like that.

    Ironic considering your previous post.
     
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  25. operator#7940

    operator#7940 Well-Known Member

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    How is free speech a bad thing?
    You were allowed to randomly insult a whole nation of people after all.
    Although I would argue that telling people to DIE is pushing the limits of that free speech.
    I'm pretty sure even in France they frown upon wishing death on others, mon ami.
     
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  26. spamdog#2920

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    Back to Class 750!
    Check my first video :
     
  27. operator#7940

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    Yes, more goggles gameplay!
     
  28. lexie

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    How is the performance on this route with all the trees, I'm especially curious about how it runs on Xbox Series S. Also, is there sound popping on Xbox?
     
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  29. Fitz

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    There are some frame rate hits in detailed areas on PS5 but runs well overall. I'm very happy with the route.

    No texture issues and the sounds are some of the best in any release to date in my opinion.
     
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    I'm going to buy the route. Luckily my PC is good enough that I'm not particularly worried about performance, but I will be paying attention to the sounds. I haven't watched the stream so it'll be a blind first impression.
     
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  31. thijsdenbraven

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    On Xbox Series X just completed service 0s 5404 and no blurry textures or crashes 04cbbb40-0d97-4055-bad2-fcc0f895de82.jpg 80a2593e-e06f-4986-97ca-c9a713c5c8cc.jpg c36334d9-c192-4d5b-9616-04c47be89db2.jpg
     
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    The funny fact is that the Class 750s - because they are in Hungary - have a different nickname: Diver
    [​IMG]
     
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  33. subwayg0at

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    The two loco introductions are literally "Hello, let me show you around my house". Just fantastic.
    Also the sheer amount of content... 6 fright wagons included.
     
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  34. Disintegration7

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    Anyone able to complete "CD 750 Walkaround"?

    All good until the step "Start Engine by holding the start button"...i've held it down for a solid minute but all i get is an electrical humming sound but the engine doesn't start.

    In the more basic tutorial it starts after a few seconds, so....
     
  35. dal#7945

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    I held down for 5mins then it started
     
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    I do not suffer popping trees, the experience is awesome! Easily the most immersive route to date, the bar has been raised yet again.
     
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    I agree. If anything it’s just going to make developers limit what they publish in the future.
    People’s complaints are just a never ending cycle of abuse and unfair criticisms, criticisms that are out of the 3PD’s hands. It’s always the same people…
    I don’t own the Czech route personally, but I’ve watched plenty of gameplay and it’s a highly detailed route and it’s clear as day a lot of effort has gone into this route. I wish more people would show more appreciation to the amount of work that’s gone into a route, rather than going into full attack mode.

    If you don’t like a route, don’t buy it!
    It’s too buggy? Wait for updates/fixes and buy it in a sale. It’s not difficult.
     
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  38. martschuffing

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    The sounds are awesome best in a route so far.
     
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  39. martschuffing

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    If anyone who is on PC wants a copy of my engine.ini file you are welcome, no more popping trees anywhere any route.
     
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  40. Disintegration7

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    Thanks!

    Fair enough- thinking they should probably mention in the instruction text it will take a few minutes though.

    This route is AMAZING!
     
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  41. FallenAngel00me

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    Took me a few mins to realise it's gonna take a while lol
     
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    To anyone familiar with the safety systems. Is the vigilance style one supposed to sound every 5 seconds?
     
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    Is this railway line coded to LVZ?
     
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    Yes, this is generally prototypical, although I believe the cycles should be a little bit longer... IRL for the 750's older type of the LS safety system it is 5 seconds for the blue light to go off, 13+ seconds for the warning buzzer to start (both since the last safety system reset). In the game I believe it is a little bit shorter than that, but not by much. Maybe some models indeed have them shorter, can't say. 843's LS90 has longer values - both in-game and in reality.
     
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  45. Mikey_9835

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    It's a fantastic route, the scenery is amazing but I think the trains are the star of the show as they really feel like Expert locos and you can even check the oil it's brilliant. For those craving a more detailed simulation experience this is a good one to try.

    No blurry textures either :)
     
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    For all to understand the presented route is so-called non-coded, meaning the next signal color code is not transfered to vehicles. This is prototypical for the route.

    Other routes in the Czech rep. that have coding present the safety system button is not generally required to be pressed if the track ahead is free (green).

    The dim lights above the blue light on the safety system device are there to display the next signal's aspect. This again does not work on this route as it is not coded and is prototypical for the route.

    This safety system is therefore more than a vigilance system if the vehicle runs on a coded track.
     
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    No raildriver Support… its a shame…

    the Rest is incredible… but I Refund the Route till a fix for raildriver Comming
     
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    Whats the red light thats turn briefly on, on the lvz device?
     
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    Maybe interference from other voltage lines?
     
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    Playing it on PS5 , excellent route runs pretty solid no burry textures , don't notice the tree popping so much,on a bit of nit picking there are a few floating trees here and there ,At one crossing without barriers a car came right in front of my train , at one station ,forgot which one should have noted it ,it was in the middle section I believe the passengers had a death wish with the front of my train and they were popping through the closed doors
     
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