Loco Expert Br 145 - Feedback Thread

I was just asking, not demanding anything.

 

Thanks for saying this! Didnt know this was the way the sheet worked. Pretty sure the train was in the >1200t region, though. Ill recheck this, however, if so, it should be LL configured (first waggons plus loco in "G").

 

Small Spelling Mistake in the PIS Code 1005

It should be called S2 Pirna

(Edit) Platform: Series X

 

Expectations and requirements aren’t far apart! I think you understand very well what I mean.

 

A quick request. Is it possible to change the logic for activating the emergency brake? With a gamepad, you just point at it and press confirm to activate it.You can do it like with the windshield wipers, where you don't just aim them, but also use the left stick to select the desired wiper mode. The same goes for the valve. I don't think that's the kind of thing that They're used constantly, and it takes an extra half-second to activate. It's very easy to miss when you want to operate the windshield wipers.

 

At some point, the driver's brake valve and the electric brake lever stop working in sync. I have no idea what's causing this. This doesn't happen with the 101 Expert or any other locomotive. It really seems to be a bug, because in real life, this wouldn't happen with a properly functioning vehicle either. Best regards, a train driver from Germany!

 

Sorry. Forgot this is not Discord and you cant ask and get a response in a few seconds.

Edited my posts saying I play on PC/Steam.

 

@dtg_jan

That’s exactly the problem, Jan.
As I wrote to you, many users think the feedback thread is only there for giving feedback, and that you can’t report bugs there.

That’s why I wrote to you that it shouldn’t actually be called ‘Feedback’, but rather ‘Feedback/Bug’, just as you’ve just written!

 

Very nice work of u guys great experience.
My only question is, is it coming to frankfurt fulda as nahverkehr dienst like re 50 or rb51
Only problem i have when driving nahverkehr on dresden is when im driving with the cab car dosto, i sometimes get the asg fault where u have to "quitier" 2 times with ur "fahrschalter". Its not possible to "quitier" from the cab car so u have to walk back to the loco. Is this how it should be?

 

I have absolutely no idea what causes this. However, as I have never seen it before, could it be linked to the expert TT?! But I am sure it has not taken me 19.316 hours to complete this service (I think)

For referenec, it was EC174. I have actually started with the shunting move before hand and stayed in the game to take over the service to Röderau.

 

The desk light does not illuminate the sheets in the NV and RHB models of the Br 145.
The Cargo DB (red) version is OK and illuminates the sheets as expected.



PC/Steam

 

On the new timetable for Dresden-Leipzig:
Service DGS 75932 Dresden Friedrichstadt to Hamburg Dradenau (part 3), you get routed onto Leipzig Engelsdorf Gbf 5, which does not have OHLE.

Edit: platform Steam

 

Tested this on PC/Steam.

The bug seems to be only present in the RHB version of the loco. The red versions (DB cargo and NV) are OK.

 

I encountered the same thing and thought I did something wrong. But in the BR101 Expert, it was easy to fix, but here it wasn't.
PC Steam

 

When playing "Auf Abwegen - Bahnstrecke Leipzig - Dresden"
Every time i get the message: "Objective Failure - Sifa Test Skipped"

No matter what I try, even if I have completed the SIFA test, I keep getting that message.

 

I had the following sheets generated by the game for the same train:

Mode P with minimum braked weight percentage of 71 and max speed of 90 Km/h:





Mode G with a minimum braked weight percentage of 93 and a maximum speed of 90 Km/h:





Maybe I'm missing something, but as I understand it the mode G sheet should require a lower minimum weight percentage than the Mode P sheet considering the max speed for both is 90 Km/h.

Playing on PC/Steam.

PS: Example taken from service 85303 on the Dresden - Chemnitz route, using the DB Cargo (red) version of the BR 145.

 

PC/Steam

Service EZ45303 (Part 1) can't be completed because the LZB won't let me near enough to the stop marker to complete the service. This may affect other locos, it's just I saw it with the 145.

 

Could you not turn off lzb just so you can finish it.

 

Disable AFB and approach the marker at 10 Km/h (maybe you can go up to 20Km/h, cant remember the exact limit right now).

 

Platform: PC (Epic Games Store)
Version: Release

First of all, thank you for this amazing DLC. So far, I've only had time to play the tutorials, scenarios and verify the bugs I found (excluding scenarios), but so far, I love it. However, I have found quite a few (minor) bugs, of which I would count only one as game breaking (the first one I listed in the bugs section).
In the following lists, if I didn't experience or couldn't reproduce a bug on all variants of the loco, I will add a C for the DB Cargo 145, NV for the 145 with Nahverkehrspaket and RBH for the RBH 145 at the beginning.

Suggestions:

• Please add a clacking sound when clicking the phone, similar to that many of the recent locos/trains had.
• Please let us use the horn pedal with the horn 2 key bind (on PC it's ctrl+space as default).
• Please add RBH as an EVU to the EVU list in the GSMR.

Bugs:

• At speeds above ~131 km/h, all voice outputs or warning sounds are muted or cut/very muffled (SIFA warning, LZB beeps, "Zugbeeinflussung" is cut to "Zug", "Störung" alert). Repeatable 100% of the time.
• At speeds above ~92 km/h, the SIFA pedal is muted. Repeatable 100% of the time.
  
• If you stand in front of the loco, looking at Cab 1, only the left brake hose gladhands are interactable, if you stand in front of the loco and look at Cab 2, only the right brake hose gladhands are interactable (angle cocks work on both sides). Repeatable 100% of the time.
• All sounds of interactable objects (levers, buttons, doors) get muted, but other sounds still work. After a couple of minutes (5-10 in my testing), the sounds start working again. Repeatable 100% of the time by repeatably alternating between train brake position 2 and 1B. During normal gameplay, this randomly happens when moving the brake lever from 2 to 1B, even without alternating between them. After knowing how to trigger it, I wanted to know whether this is a core issue but only managed to in the Expert 101, but not the standard 101 or the 185 and 146 that came with DLG (I haven't tried all locos/trains as that would obviously take ages), but it took a bit more effort to trigger and I never had it during normal gameplay using any Expert 101 variant, while I had it multiple times during normal gameplay in the 145.
• Sometimes, the levers for the electric brake and train brake can't be recoupled again after you uncouple them (either by moving them in different brake notches or by putting the electric brake leaver in the uncoupled position). I couldn't find out what triggers it, but I had it multiple times during testing of the bug above and once during normal gameplay. Unfortunately, I could not trigger it reliably and I don't know exactly if it is only specific lever position combinations/sequences or if it could trigger with any combination. Sometimes I could fix it by putting both into the same notch and leaving them there for a few seconds, but sometimes I couldn't recouple them at all.
• C: You have to put the throttle into the min position for at least 1-2 seconds before you apply more power, otherwise the loco won't provide any traction. This isn't the case for the other two variants, therefore I assume this is a bug and not intended. Repeatable 100% of the time.
  
• NV: The "Notruf" and "FIS Fortschaltung" buttons aren't animated. Repeatable 100% of the time.
• For the expert wagons, there are a few tooltips not translated to German, repeatable 100% of the time:
  • Sdggmrss:
    • "Brake Mode" lever
    • Distributer Release Valve (including "Release")
    • Articulated bogie wheels (including "Hit"), but not the ones on the outer bogies
  • Sggmrss:
    • Angle Cocks
    • Distributer Release Valve (including "Release")
    • Articulated bogie wheels (including "Hit"), but not the ones on the outer bogies
  • Habbiins:
    • Distributer Release Valve (including "Release")
    • Wheels (including "Hit")
  • Zacns
    • Distributer Release Valve (including "Release")
    • Wheels (including "Hit")

Potential bugs (could also be core bugs/limitations or intended):

• Driver does not wear company clothes. Repeatable 100% of the time.
• If you activate the AFB before entering the train data, the fault has no texts for V>0 and V=0. Repeatable 100% of the time.
• This could only apply to player spawned locos and therefore not be that big of an issue (as I haven't been able to test this with AI 145s driving by or standing close without first spawning in them yet), but it was something I have come across while testing: When entering any other train (that is not another 145 or an Expert 101) while a 145 is within a few meters, you will hear the 145 engine room audio inside the other train (with the effect getting amplified for each active 145 close enough to trigger the bug). This sometimes fixes itself, but I haven't found out what fixes it yet. The audio then gets quieter if you move away from the source and louder once you approach it again. Repeatable 100% of the time.
• When entering the cab from outside, you can hear the engine room audio for a split second. This also happens the moment the cab door opens/closes when inside the cab. Repeatable 100% of the time.
• When uncoupling, the player lets go of the screw coupler after picking it up. Repeatable 100% of the time.
• NV: PIS of the Dostos not always repeat the input, sometimes it's completely empty, sometimes it only shows the line. For the Dostos in S-Bahn Dresden livery, most of the time, the front and side PIS screens of the cab car shows everything correctly, but the ones of the intermediate units do not. For the Dostos in DB Regio livery, the front PIS screen of the cab car stays empty, while the side PIS screens of the cab car show the correct destinations with the side PIS screens of the intermediate cars only showing the line number. If the set destination does not have a corresponding line (like "Trans Rights", "Zwangsbremsung :C" or "Train Sim World"), the side PIS screens of the intermediate cars stay empty. Repeatable 100% of the time with the special destinations, very inconsistent with service destinations.
• NV: Traction effort cuts at ~75 km/h (without any faults shown), only reapplying traction after setting the throttle to off and then reapplying power. Repeatable ~30% of the time by accelerating from a full stop, could also be happening with other variants, but I've only seen it with this one and couldn't reproduce it with the other variants.

Potential scenario bugs (could also be core bugs/limitations or intended) and feedback SPOILERS:

• All Scenarios:
  • AI passenger trains have no driver. Repeatable 100% of the time.
  • AI passenger trains PIS screens are either empty or show "Nicht Einsteigen". Repeatable 100% of the time.
  • All scenarios end abruptly after arriving at the last station (with the exception of Nahverkehr, see below). I don't need/want a "well done" text like many of the other scenarios have, but something like "take a break before continuing" or "we have to wait here for a few overtakes" would be nice.
• Nahverkehr:
  • The PIS screens of the 145 are empty. After setting the destination manually to code 7111 (RE50 Oschatz), the PIS screens on the cabcar (side and front) are only showing RE50 while the ones on the intermediate unit work correctly (interestingly, this is the exact opposite behaviour to the bug described above). Repeatable 100% of the time.
  • The introductory text appears twice. Once after starting the scenario and once after the "objective complete" sound plays (text disappears for a second, as if it was supposed to change). Repeatable 100% of the time.
  • At the end of the scenario, you have to apply another sticker to the same door after which it ends abruptly, but never on the door of the opposite side despite it also not opening anymore (after the fault). I have only fully played this once, so I don't know if it is repeatable, but the last objective obviously doesn't change.
  • I'm pretty sure that the point targets for the trophies are wrong as I only got ~15.1k out of the 24.3k points needed for platinum, despite having no negative points shown in the end of session overview. I have only played this once, so I don't know if only that session was bugged and gave too few points.
• Expert. Simply Delivered:
  • Text description of the scenario is in English despite having the game set to German. Repeatable 100% of the time.
  • Name is incorrectly "Sweaty Palms" in the menus, but correctly "Expert. Simply Delivered" during the scenario itself. Repeatable 100% of the time.
  • When prompted to enter the train data, it forces you to enter 120km/h as VMZ, even though the text and Bremszettel tells you to input 100 km/h. Repeatable 100% of the time.
  • There might be texts missing because there was only the introductory message and then one message in the middle (after the hot axle was detected). I have only fully played this once, so I don't know if it is repeatable.
  • I'm pretty sure that these point targets for the trophies are also wrong as I only got ~11.9k out of the 16.4k points needed for platinum, despite having no negative points shown in the end of session overview. I have only played this once, so I don't know if only that session was bugged and gave too few points.
• Auf Abwegen:
  • Same introductory message as "Expert. Simply Delivered". I'm not sure if this is intended or not, but the text "This train heads to Berlin. Check the brakes before departing." doesn't make that much sense to me when 2/3 of the scenarios is shunting and only then you have to actually depart. Repeatable 100% of the time.
  • The SIFA test gets marked as skipped after returning to the MDP "Grundbild" after completing the PZB/LZB test. Repeatable 100% of the time.
  • The signal at Cossebaude is dark/turned off. I have only fully played this once, so I don't know if it is repeatable.
  • The duration seems to be completely off as it took me nearly 2h to complete. I always need more time than estimated when a scenario/service involves shunting, but the last third (driving from the yard to the end location) took me ~30 minutes alone while always driving the speed limit. Therefore, I think the estimated duration should be 90 minutes instead of the 40 minutes currently. I have only fully played this once, so I don't if I could have done it way faster.
  • Here, I'm pretty sure that the point targets for the trophies are way too low (especially for a difficulty 4 scenario), as I got ~16.4k out of the 8.7k points needed for platinum despite involuntarily skipping the SIFA test. I have only played this once, so I don't know if only that session was bugged and gave too many points.
• Faulty Friday:
  • The name is in English, despite having the game set to German (unless it was intended like the "Expert. Simply Delivered" scenario). Repeatable 100% of the time.
  • In Riesa, there is a text saying that you got a call about other trains overtaking you, but there was no call via the GSMR. Maybe this is intended but given that previous calls had audio recordings in the other Expert scenarios, I assume there was supposed to be one here as well. I have only fully played this once, so I don't know if it is repeatable.
  • After your loco breaks down at the red signal, the text tells you to reset the breaker. After doing that, all faults cleared except "AFB active without train data". The text then tells you that the loco is still broken and needs a full battery reset. In preparation of that, I turned off AFB which then instantly completed the objectives for "Switch off the battery", "Wait a short time" and "Switch on the battery". Despite having no faults shown, I couldn't charge the brakes until I actually switched the battery off and on again. I have only fully played this once, so I don't know if it is repeatable.
  • There were two "wait" tasks without any explanation, one in the middle and one at the end. Maybe these were the mentioned overtakes, but at least the one at the end had none (and no other text). I have only fully played this once, so I don't know if it is repeatable.
  • Despite me always driving the speed limit and only taking a few minutes longer than expected resolving the fault (due to the issue described above), the scenario took me 30 minutes longer then estimated, so maybe the estimated duration should be 120 minutes instead of the 90 minutes currently. I have only fully played this once, so I don't if I could have done it faster.
  • Here, I'm also pretty sure that the point targets for the trophies are way too low (especially for a difficulty 5 scenario), as I got ~19.4k out of the 8.7k points needed for platinum, despite having a few points removed due to speeding. I have only played this once, so I don't know if only that session was bugged and gave too many points.

 

Hi everyone, there are too many responses so I can't answer each one directly (currently very focused on getting every bug reported fixed for the post release patch). I may do a similar thread as I did for the 101 later when I have more time for communication.

- The services mentioned so far in this thread that cause AI SPADs on have been fixed and should be in the next patch.
- I am investigating some issues with the locomotive either causing traction lock or emergency brake applications when pushing a Dosto cab car driven service.
- I am also investigating issues with the Wittenberger cab car not being compatible.
- The train data sheets (Bremszettel/Wagenliste) not being lit up by the timetable lights are known and have been fixed for the upcoming patch. It may be possible (as a workaround) to use the cab light to illuminate these. The issues are not present on the DB 145.
- EBuLa and MTD button lights not being illuminated on the RBH variant has been identified and fixed for the next patch.
- Suspension physics has been added on the BR 145 (all variants) for the upcoming patch.
- Driver assist causing misleading text advice for "Double throttle acknowledgement" has been fixed.
- Battery needle not animating correctly if the locomotive hasn't been taken over by a player (i.e. before getting seated) has been fixed.
- Brake mode not being correctly preset to P or G on the "Nahverkehrspaket" variant has been fixed.
- Fixed a bug where the Main Reservoir (HBL) gauge did not correctly indicate the pressure of the internal Main Reservoir Pipe which causes confusion if the "Main Reservoir Cutout Valve" fails. If you get a fault regarding the HBL pressure being too low and all Main Reservoir angle cocks are either closed (or hoses connected) go to the machine room and open the Main Reservoir Bypass Valve at the bottom left of the brake equipment panel.
- I am also investigating some intermittent issues with the Bremszettel not initializing properly and giving incorrect "Fahrplangeschwindigkeit". You can work around this issue by either clicking twice on the "Timetable Class" button (located at the box with Bremshunderstel numbers) or clicking on the label of row 16 to cycle between different timetable speeds.

Note: It is not intended for the Wagenliste to indicate the current position of brake mode selectors. The Wagenliste simulates what should be set for these levers (by the "Bremsgewicht" or Braked Weight either being written in the P column or the G column). It would not be very good guide if it just told you what the current positions were.

It does update on brakes being cut out ("Distributor Cut-Off" valve closed) however (Expert freight wagons only, but hopefully IC Expert coaches in the future), with a dash through the Bremsgewicht columns. The reason for the difference here is that we want players to be able to cut out the brakes of wagons that have overheated brakes or air leaks and have the Wagenliste and Bremszettel "rewritten" as in reality.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that the services that run through an electrified track at Leipzig-Engelsdorf (43821 and 75392 Part 3 for example) have been fixed.

 

Thanks. The traction lock behavior at around 70 to 80 km/h is strange when pulling Dostos. I tried it with other Dostos and it's the same. Sometimes you can do a workaround when you give very less power. I think the problem is not there on the S- Bahn services on Leipzig Dresden. There you have much less train weight and the acceleration is limited, at least with AFB.
But I could be wrong

 

Yesterday I found another service that ends up on a non-elecrified track at Dresden-Altstadt.
Namely, S1(31021) for Dostos and S1(31030) for any compatible E-lok, including 145NV. That's one consist that shunts away onto non-electrified track 917 at Altstadt in the morning, and returns back to Hbf in the afternoon.

 

Not possible to get platinum medals for two trainings.

 

Hello xbox player here why cant I acknowledge alarms with the B button i press nothing happens but if I use a keyboard Q button works just fine.

 

Hi.
When is this patch supposed to arrive?
Is the suspension enabled on the DB 145 and also on the Zacns and Habbiins?
Thanks.

 

Will the audio issue be fixed? When you open the engine room and the cab door, you can hear the outside sound

 

It's the most difficult dlc to be played and it is very very fun.
The few things i found are for now in expert timetable:
- lack of stations' announcements (so stations are very very quiet, even if announcements are one of the main features in TSW 6)
- lack of wagon external's sounds.
- lack of db br 145 suspensions


Very good for db br 101 expert service's variety (IC, shunting, cold start, ecc.)

 

You can raise the announcement volume via the button obove the front windows near by the PIS unit.

 

The suspension implementation to the BR 145 has been submitted to DTG, but it won't be out immediately (basically a bunch of changes are probably* released together in the same patch), I can't say when exactly that will be since we simply submit the changes and then it has to go through QA and DTG decides when to release the patch (when it has passed QA etc)
As for the Zacns and Habbiins suspension, I have not added that yet because there are other changes that are more impacting (primarily issues with the timetable like AI SPADs) that I have to focus on first.

 

In both the scenario Nahverkehr and the tutorial enabling and disabling saftey systems you cannot achieve a gold or platinum medals, PS5

scenario Auf Abwegen, cannot be completed due to the brake computer not changing or working and your sat on tha objective for a long time

 

The score issues are known and being fixed. The brake computer not changing is not a bug (or at least not when it was reported the last time), that is due to the compressor running. The locomotive won't let you change the brake computer until the compressor has finished. It should only take a couple of minutes (since the main reservoir pressure is already relatively high). If you absolutely don't want to wait you can shut off the compressor with the switch on the desk and then switch computer and after that switching finishes re-enable the compressor.

 

I know there are the announcements aboard the trains but not ones in the stations.
I play on xbox series x

 

Ah sorry i understand but this is the wrong topic for it..... Its route related then.

 

I just can't complete the 3rd training task with Platinum.
Ich kann nur die 3. Training Aufgabe nicht mit Platin abschliessen.

 

I think I didn't have any random fault with BR 145 so far after ~10 services.
With BR 101 these past months, I had maybe one every 1~2 services in average.
Expert mode is enabled, fault simulation is active, chaos factor is 1.
I reset the simulation parameters on the right screen in cab of BR 145 and still nothing after 2 services.
Is it normal? Thanks

(PC/Steam)

 

Pretty much at this lowest setting, yeah.
The chaos factor can go up to 99, so on 1 you'll rarely get faults.

 

Hello,

On Xbox Series X:
- If you switch to other views inside the cab, you can't use the cursor. It is stuck. Same with the 101 Expert and Steuerwagen Expert (First Picture)

Perhaps not only Xbox:
- When you put the Expert Passenger Wagons behind the 145, it looks like there is a problem with the hook (Second Picture)
- The thing with the direct brake going to 0,3 and the traction lock at 70 to 80 km/h does not happen with the Expert Passenger Wagons, only with any Dostos.

 

I'm honestly glad of this - for the most part I'd want a service to run fully, but I also like knowing there's a small chance a fault will happen. If I *really* want to try out some troubleshooting and fixing, I can intentionally set the chaos factor much higher

 

I doubt TSG take requests, but I'd be very willing to handover a lot of money for an expert 193 Vectron the 145 is so good. You can feel it in the day-to-day usage even when not using failures. It's fantastic, so I'd also like to thank TSG again for the 145.

 

Edit; After opening up a scenario and then going back to the menu, it now works perfectly fine to spawn into the timetable services. Very strange.

PC/Steam, Dresden - Leipzig Expert timetable with all layers activated; Having issues with TSW/UE crashing when trying to spawn a service with the 145. Report gives me the following message. Spawning in any other train works, and the 145 works fine on the regular timetable.
"
LowLevelFatalError [File:Unknown] [Line: 3194]
Could not find SuperStruct SetTrainLinePowerState to create SetTrainLinePowerState


0x00007ff92d9c73fa KERNELBASE.dll!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66df07c06 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66deb75fd TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66df4bd5d TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66df5b1b6 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66df40633 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66df5a382 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66df66109 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66df65477 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66df51636 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66e0f9147 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66e0f8d9a TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66e0fde79 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66e102358 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66e1019c6 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66f970517 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66f96f6a9 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66f96d500 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66f96d6f5 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66f968187 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66dbff41a TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66da0b13e TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66da0bbb1 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66d7e221b TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66d7dedf8 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66f5cadfe TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66fa0971e TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66f9c6596 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff85556dadd UE4SS.dll!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66f9b0e98 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66f9cebb7 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66f59c7c5 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66d10e422 TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66d114afc TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66d114b6a TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff66d11e93f TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff670418f0e TrainSimWorld.exe!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff92ff5e8d7 KERNEL32.DLL!UnknownFunction []
0x00007ff930fec48c ntdll.dll!UnknownFunction []