You mean that M8 which has less functionality than the M3, M7 & M9? Not a great example considering it easily has the least cab interaction of any recent rolling stock.
I see your point, but I can’t agree it’s close to JT level with the low quality textures and lack of engine room. I do understand their reasoning, however with the former. The problem with “plan to update stuff” is how many times have we heard that from several other developers and nothing has materialised. I mean the Manc Airport route wasn’t even completed to the expected length, despite being of very high quality.
Exactly this, if they update it great then ill consider buying it then but blaming core for the poor texturing is laughable I used the M8 as an example towards texturing not functionality
That is wonderful that you have seen them but they are not part of the product they are expecting people to pay full price for so that kinda means nothing really. No I am not expecting them to re-write every single timetable, I just would've expected at the bare minimum that the timetable they have done to actually be busier than it was and yes I am aware they had some layers turned off but look at the service count, it is somehow less than other timetables on WCML south
Have you actually looked at how many Class 90 hauled intermodals run on the WCML South during a day? £12.99 for a loco pack is pretty much the standard DTG price.....
So then the flip side would be high res textures with less functionally. The point is that everything taxes performance & the only way to mitigate it is to remove or reduce something.
Not really, lets use another example Class 87 and Class 86, highly detailed, plenty of functionality A lot of the german stock is pretty highly detailed with lots of functionality And again another example of the bad textures: The window frame looks really low res compared to other parts but I guess this is the issue, because its a new freight loco for the UK peoples normal judgement goes out the window
You've been a member just over 2 months, looking back through your posts, you're quite negative most of the time. While you might not be happy with the texture quality, others here are understanding with what ATS said that they have optimised the textures to stop them from causing blurry textures on consoles, which we all know is a big issue until DTG fix the core! Also if you hadn't noticed Alan's stream wasn't exactly high quality due to the Twitch upload speed he was using. Also the M8 is using the new optimisations to the textures that prevent blurring which hasn't been rolled out to everything, as Alan said in the stream, the Class 90 was developed before the texture fixes were widely shared between developers (I think that was his wording)
and causes blurry textures on consoles, also had to be removed from AAS’ route for crashing the game. Which is likely why German content is the number one offender for blurry textures Don’t get me wrong here, I’m absolutely not a fan of the way some of the textures on the loco look. You can see my other thoughts on the matter in this & another 90 thread as to why I’m on the fence with it. The problem (as Bryer pointed out above) is that the core of TSW is a real issue & third parties are paying the price for it, as are we. I don’t think anyone is a fan of the caveats being put into content to try & circumvent core issues. Of course that doesn’t mean you should just accept it & not criticise whatever caveats they may be, but the part I disagree with you on is your comparisons to other content. Stamford has pretty woeful issues when it comes to performance, it’s been reported to dip as low as 20FPS in low traffic areas. JT’s 86 & 87 as good as they may be, likely only exist in the way they do since they can be sold as part of a £33 route, a £20 pack & now another £33 route with slight variations. To say the cost there is subsidised would be verging on an understatement. Thats before you even get to performance, where those trains have largely been unable to get layered into busier routes. The cherry on top of that though is the 86’ bogies literally sinking into the ground. German stock in general is hard to gauge since their routes are the worst offenders for blurring, but let’s not pretend all their loco releases have been without issue, most of it anyway is derived from the same handful of stock. The 90 is just another in a long line of content limited by TSW, for me the gameplay it offers upon release is what’s holding it back & for you it’s clearly the textures, but let’s not pretend the things you’re trying to compare it to are without their own issues & limitations. Personally I’d rather have a 2D bolt on a door I can’t see, than a cab full of blur & an exterior that looks like clay, from packs that offer little more functionality for usually more money.
Because when ats have been looking for testers in past you fill out a online form and you tick what content you own etc I have never seen them “ad well its a bit obvious as when ats need beta testers they ask people to apply on their Facebook group. There hasn’t been a post put out for ages saying they are looking for testers
You know, you strike me as the sort of person who would immediately be screaming about blurry textures everywhere if everything was highly detailed.
They were the first third party that pushed their addon to tsw 6 standards/ features and they had been honest with the qa being slow which they seemed annoyed about on stream, also I’m pretty they have back updated TSC stuff they made so it’s a lot more believable that river
Also correct me if I'm wrong, but for as good as JT & TSG content is don't those add-ons have quite a few performance issues on consoles? I know the most recent route TSG did had drastic draw distance cutbacks on Series S in particular. I would also point out that the 420 still has massive performance issues, despite it being a TSW2 locomotive in origin. TSG make really nicely detailed content, but I'm not sure if I can say in earnest they're "optimized" add-ons.
I was just typing the exact same thing out. You can tell this person just looks for anything to moan about constantly. sounds like the type of person who goes out to a restaurant. Complains the food is to hot or to cold just to be noticed.
The Shap route certainly does have issues, particularly if you have the 86 pack. It's only really a problem for me when I use dynamic weather though (which I never really use anyway).
As far as I know, models and scenes should be textured with roughly even texel density unless there's a specific reason to do otherwise and unless it's made sure that the discrepancy looks fine. For example you could have uneven texel density because a specific sign or label needs to be readable. Reason being that having the whole thing somewhat blurry still looks better than having high and low density textures next to each other.
So just to give you some idea of real life Class 90 operations on the WCML South, I've fact checked Gemini to the best of my ability using Real Time Trains and these are pretty accurate headcodes etc. You can't just invent services to make you happy in a timetable, that's what spawning a train in free roam is for. The number of Class 90 services when the ATS timetable is based was around 6-10 services on the WCML South as Freightliner didn't have as many in service as they do now. On a typical weekday in early 2026, you can expect to see roughly 12 to 18 Class 90-hauled intermodal services operating on the West Coast Main Line (WCML). The lower number is for services between MKC and Wembley Yard/Receptions 1-7, the higher number is for trains between Coatbridge and Mossend to Daventry. There is very limited weekend running as Freightliner Intermodal don't work weekends with Class 90's. Typical Weekday Workings Class 90s are favoured for their acceleration and ability to maintain the 75 mph freight speed limit on the steep gradients of the WCML, such as Shap and Beattock. They are frequently used in pairs for most intermodal flows. Commonly reported headcodes for Class 90 intermodal workings on the WCML include: Northbound (to Scotland/North West): 4S88, 4S59, 4S83, 4M11, 4M63, 4M94, 4M30, 4M42, 4M86. Southbound (to London/Midlands): 4L96, 4L42, 4L60, 4L67, 4L49, 4L82, 4L89.
