Whats Love Got To Do With It?

With apologies to Tina Turner, but what has LOVE got to do with my uploaded HST?

Uploading a relivery of a GNER HST from 2006, named by GNER after a world famous Brass Band, and I was faced with an 'Error' comment, which of course did not explain the error! After quite a bit of time rewriting the description and details, I discovered the CC did not like the name of the HST Power Car. The culprit? "The Black LOVE * Band".
I found a work-around and uploaded it.
Next, I added the details and pics to my thread as I do, knowing I would have no problems using a word to describe a long stretch of earth used to control water in a ditch on the forum. How wrong I was! And what a way for it to be censored. The word LOVE * had been replaced by the word LOVE. No explanation, no 'heads-up, just replaced.
I'm sorry, but this is no longer a joke. We already cannot describe an HST Power Car as a Class 43, as the word Class has an @ss in it. Now I cannot add nameplates, in case ditches get upset?
* See post below

Please, can we have some reasonableness here? No one is being abusive or disrespectful. The English language was invented a long time ago and there will be crossover of words or partial words. If AI is being used to vet these words, it needs retraining. Or perhaps use a human being instead, who can discern the meaning behind the word with a bit of research.

 

As you can see above, the name of the HST Power Car has been changed in my post too! It should read, and I'll spell it out for you, "The Black D, y, k, e Band"

 

Don’t know what you are doing your end Dave but no images are appearing

 

Images where, Trainsimuser? On here or on the Creators Club?

 

On here I thought you tried to show us here

 

Ah, no, although the first post actually shows the problem - you will see I have put an asterisk next to the words that have been changed.

 

Thanks to this thread I can’t get the song out my head now lol

 

The particular word you were trying to post will be flagged up as offensive due to the word being used to refer to a female who likes other females.

 

It literally means "a wall built to prevent the sea or a river from covering an area, or a channel dug to take water away from an area".

*Description from the Cambridge Dictionary.

It has a genuine, non-offensive meaning.

 

LOVE Van LOVE played Bert in Mary Poppins.

 

QUOTE="dave55007, post: 1104204, member: 15515"]As you can see above, the name of the HST Power Car has been changed in my post too! It should read, and I'll spell it out for you, "The Black D, y, k, e Band"[/QUOTE]

Slapping a rainbow on it would be easier (and less likely to get you a Creators Club ban).

DTG already did that with the class 395 Javelin.

 

Joking aside, my posts - our posts - are being censored and edited! Is that even ethical?
I've uploaded 1,200 livery creations to CC in the last few years. I'm not abusive, racist, sexist or offensive. I enjoy my hobby and try and replicate it for my benefit and anyone else who wishes to subscribe to my creations. Is this what I can now expect?

 

Yes, but it also has the slang and derogatory meaning which I posted above, hence why it is being flagged by the filters.

 

So we're not allowed to use words that just so happen to also have a derogatory meaning?

It's ridiculous. There are many towns that have these words in their names - I live in one of them!

I never even knew it had a derogatory meaning until I'd stumbled upon this thread.

 

That would be the case. Sometimes even innocent words can be flagged up and not allowed because the filter detects words within the word (when making scenarios etc we have to use CL47 for the type instead of the actual word).
I was born in a town which has a very bad word in it and yep, it's not allowed to be named here or in TSW. Let's just say the town is in North Lincolnshire and is known or was known for the very large steelworks there.

 

I get the creators club and the forums filtering out actually bad words, but in 2026 you'd have thought the creators club especially would be free from the scunthorpe problem by now.

Reminds me of the time I tried to name a race in forza horizon 4 "Mini Cooper Rally" and it wouldn't have any of it.

 

For that matter, I can't wait what TSW will do with these very real station names around the world:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika_station
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_Station

Honorable mentions, as there are no railways nearby:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dildo,_Newfoundland_and_Labrador
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuggi.../File:City_limit_sign_of_Fucking,_Austria.jpg

 

This is so bizar that such accepted names are blocked with no valid reason. A D*yke is nothing strange at all.... I don't get it. This whole list need to be checked manually.

 

It's obvious Dovetail just have a system where flagged content is blocked, rather than reviewed.

They really need to whitelist certain words, Class especially.
Or better yet, actually moderate CC/the Forums using a flag & review system.

I'd also like to raise the point that there are two stations in Scotland (Coatdyke and Cartsdyke). If we ever get those routes will we be able to reference them in a CC scenario?

 

I am most amused by the fact a link containing banned words made it through the forum software unfiltered

 

Yeah the filter is... not so great

Can't even say 'Class' due to it flagging 'ass' which in this context, makes little sense especially if class refers to the train class too!

It's so stupiddd

 

When you add a * in a word that is blocked by the spamfilter it will work also. This filter is nothing more than frustrating and adds nothing to prevent bad language.

 

Christmas is still banned on CC, Every time I've tried to upload a scenario based around Christmas I'm told it's offensive. Years ago DTG Matt said it was excessive and work was being done to alter the filters.

Shockingly,* we're still waiting.

*Not remotely shocking

 

That explains why we aren't getting any Dutch content in the near future

 

being prevented from using the word "class" in the formation designer because the filter (which is terrible) interprets it as inapp due to the word "ass" is absurd
the filter logic needs improvement
it needs to understand that "class" and "ass" are completely different words with completely different meanings and used in completely different contexts
one is offensive, the other is not

 

Erm.........I think you'll find that some people find that word problematic too.
ie Why does a list of bad things have to be that colour?
Perhaps this should be reviewed as well?

I'll get my coat................(of many colours of course)

 

Everyone is offended by everything nowadays…..

 

Thank you for your comment dtg.jan, especially on a weekend.
Let me reiterate my concerns
1. The word I used is a legitimate word in English dating back a long time, ie centuries. I cannot help what others have done with the language since. Your concern for the offensive version is misplaced, since it is not being used offensively. GNER did not use an offensive word on their Power Car and neither did the Band concerned. I can assure you that the band is alive and well and not currently offending anyone! I would consider it more offensive, especially to the current band members, to censor their name. Perhaps you could ask them.
2. My other concern is the overwriting of my post, which I notice is still overwritten as of 7.00pm today (Sunday 22 Mar). I know it's overwritten because if I open the post for edit, the original word is there. I am not happy with having my posts edited and censored in this way. In fact it's beyond censorship, the word has not been removed, but replaced by something I have not written.

 

I can't see any circumstance by which the word 'Passenger' can be used as a "slur to hurt others".
Why hasn't DTG found a way around us being able to use that word Jan?
You have had an awfully long time to do it.

 

Jan - You probably won't know this but below is a link to the prestigious band that Dave is referring too.
It is quite an impressive set up and is, in no way, trying to be offensive to anyone.
Brass Band UK - Link

 

Or DTG could, oh I don't know, adress the automatic word filter issue so it doesn't block words such as Class or Passenger. This has been an issue for years but nothing has been done about it.

I agree with Es4t. There are people who are too offended by anything these days. It's not hard to find those type of people either

 

Your opinion not mine!

 

Joking aside, the terms 'whitelist' and 'blacklist' are used less and less for the colour connotations you mention. 'Allow list' and 'deny list' are the terms being increasingly used now.

 

Sorry Jan, but you may know the present filter is not working at all. It does not filter words, but character combination, making far to much combos not allowed. This has nothing to do with protecting people. It is a function that is not good. To make it worse, it even does not tell you what is not allowed and should be changed. Even a word like "passenger"is not allowed, probably because it tries to read the word ass in this, as I have experienced when creation scenarios. If you really want it like this, OK, I cannot change it but do not try to dedendd this as something that contributes to creating a safe environment.

 

You could call that naivety.

« Le cœur de l'homme est creux et plein d'ordure. », Blaise Pascal.

 

I think this is quite a weak explanation! The moderation on this forum simply isn’t present enough, and during the weekend it’s practically nonexistent. I’d like to point out that if you want to run a forum like this, it comes with responsibility. Letting a computer system or AI handle it is laughable and embarrassing. This is a forum with thousands of users, so it’s obvious that a team of four or five people isn’t enough.

This whole issue is about more than just a program that filters words, because I and many others here believe that you and your colleagues should be the ones doing this and being more present. A forum is human work, not robotic production work. And we are human too, and sometimes we make mistakes, which is fine, but please address us in the moment, not three days later (which unfortunately really happens)

And if you really consider the points you mentioned above important, then read my response again and pass it on to higher management. That way, whatever you’re afraid of or whatever that stupid script is checking for when judging people can actually be addressed properly. That would mean you’re seriously tackling the problem, instead of giving that half‑baked argument about “yeah, we want to prevent blah blah blah.”.

 

I just want to use Christmas, or Class.

The other words used as a slur I get 100%. That's the correct decision, but some common sense has to be applied as well with other words.