Upcoming Release Br Class 90 Freight Loco - Coming March 30th

for £12.99 I'm not too fussed about no engine room, but generally speaking, simulators should have as much realism as possible . I remember when people were moaning about the realistic GSMR on Medway and it's like, do you want the game to be more realistic or not?

 

We have the default timetable, which needs a DLC pack (the HKA wagon pack) and still is on the empty side
We have TWO cargo line timetables from the Vol.3 & Vol.5 and even though they come from the same developer and are for the same route STILL dont interlayer and intermingle
We have the 805 Evero timetable which has none of the cargo line stock, and all but 10 of the freight services missing (and is fairly crash prone)
Now we have the Class 90 timetable coming, which doesnt have any of the cargo line stock, doesnt have the evero, and also from the preview streams seems to be very light on AI traffic too..

Fife timetables for WCML South, Three ECML timetables, Three WCML Shap timetables, Four East Coastway timetables... its a bit much and would be a lot easier on the consoles, the game and PS mounting issues (in my opinion) if things were just combined into a single timetable and unowned layers just didnt show up...

 

They kind of gave away in the 90 preview last night as to why they do separate timetables. They’re saving time testing them by just cloning the base & doing a new one.

It’s really shitty IMO, they could at least make sure it’s as busy as the last, but no it’s like we just start from the base & have to pray whoever did the ‘new’ TT has put the work in, which unfortunately the ATS version seems to lack.

I can (mostly) defend the 90 as a loco where others criticise, but the product as a whole is pretty poor & I think ATS are giving away sales to AAS’ upcoming 70.

 

i *get* that Just Trains might not want Skyhook tinkering with their timetable, or that Dovetail might not want Skyhook tinkering with their timetables, or that All Aboard might not, or etc etc etc. but at the end of the i think also that the third parties need to accept a certain level of community when developing their timetables and that DTG need to be putting all of the feet down when it comes to things being "let in" or "kept out" of timetables - its all "Train Sim World" regardless of who develops the piece of DLC it goes into the same game as the rest and will need to intermingle with the rest of the DLC and all these separate timetables are just making it difficult.

for example, why must a player miss out on seeing the Class 805 because they want to drive a Class 20. Or miss out on a swath of cargo wagons for the sake of an AT300

 

I'm getting this because I think it's quite reasonably priced for what it is. But this new timetable with each new pack is getting beyond a joke. This will be timetable 7 for WCMLS for me. If DTG are going to force 3rd parties to publish through them then they should enforce some sort of timetable coordination.

My hope is that a modded timetable adds this in such as the OTS 2019 version.

 

I understand that the products are not comparable, but the BR145 Expert is a replacement in the schedule on all German routes (except for 3 routes that are not suitable in terms of operating time and the lack of a contact network) and probably about 200 services. And Class 90 is just a drop in the ocean in terms of the number of flights.

 

Does the 145 sub into any diesel services though? The only electric services for the UK which the 90 could sub into are an out of era route.

 

I'm not saying that Class 90 must be on all routes, but it's entirely possible to try and integrate it into the schedule where possible on various routes as a replacement.

 

Is it possible though? I’m pretty sure there is no in game example of substituting a diesel unit with an electric, it’s always had to be a new layer.

 

As far as I remember, although I don't play much in the UK, Most Class 66 services begin and end under the wires. But yes, manual testing will require a bit more effort (which isn't necessary for German electric locomotives).

 

well any Class 66 service thats NOT on an unelectrified line so yeah, that's the majority of them. with 99% of the german trains being electric though it is a lot simpler to have the Expert 145 substitute in on other freight services, espescially with it being a loco substitution and not an expert substitution.

ATS would need to perhaps create an asset tag like "UK_freight_elec" or "freight_ole" for the 90 and then maybe DTG or the resposible developer could tag their routes with a matching tag - that way the 90 doesnt show up on a diesel route like the 87 did on the east coastway

 

That’s just one thing that we should have but don’t, I really doubt the substitution system will ever work to that extent. Even now they haven’t been bothered to work something out with the doubled headed liveries so we get silliness such as DB & Freightliner consists, so I really don’t have hope for the ability to sub in different power types.

Honestly we shouldn’t even have to depend on a new method of substitution, there are only so many areas in the UK you’ll commonly spot class 90’s, and in TSW we have basically all of them, yet zilch in layers. I think that says a lot about the issues that apparently don’t exist between ATS, AAS & how poorly managed the third party program is.

 

COME ON, this is so disappointing.
I guess no 378 on Watford DC either.

 

Nope, it’s barebones tbh. I’m surprised they managed to hit 17 layers.

It’s surprising as there’s obviously another TT for it, the one in ATS’ stream had more layers.

 

On the ATS stream there were 17 layers of which he only had 12 enabled. Timestamp 1:58.

 

Yup & at the end of the stream he opens the layer list showing different stock to last nights.

 

The issue with TSW is that's it's often not a very forward thinking game, despite the live-service nature of it. They made this whole complex system to design diesel and electric engines in Simugraph, yet it sounds like they really didn't think about steam and how that would need to factor in. Which in turn lead to them just not wanting to do it for ages, and eventually getting the half-baked implementation of it we have now. Or all these routes that could've had excellent DLC opportunities, but the limited dispatcher can't deal with changes after the fact.

 

It would be nice to hear for certain if the Class 805 and 807 will or wont be layering in, they seemed to be there but "unowned" in the ATS stream but the DTG stream seemed to be a different timnetable buile? this whole thing is confusing to be honest

 

one of my favorite electric locomotives

it looks like a ŠKODA 66E [ČS200]

photo: Bahnbilder von W. and H. Brutzer

 

I’m really gutted about the class 90 not layering in anywhere and it being yet another standalone timetable.

I’ve been using and enjoying the OTS timetable and hopefully this will be updated to include the 90. At which point I’ll make my purchase.

DTG and the whole raft of third parties really need to sit down together and come up with a better integrated solution then a multitude of timetables per route. It’s hurting sales for everyone which means less profit for the devs and less investment for the players.

 

I've been rethinking my view on this DLC. Originally I was sure it was a Day one purchase. Now, I think I will wait.

This issue with new timetables is getting quite ridiculous now. Especially in this case the timetable doesn't even look as good as some of the other ones. It shouldn't be down to modders to release timetables that use all the stock. DTG control all the publishing of TSW content and they should manage this.

To add to that it's a limited amount of runs on a single route. I'm just not seeing enough value.

I've spent a lot already in DTG's mad march release schedule and unless the DB BR 147 is a disaster, I think I'll get more value for money out of that

 

It's whatever the developers choose to do. Just like DTG doesn't tell them what route or what trains to include. If they choose to make the DLC less valuable, then that's their choice.

 

At the end of the day if the people don’t think Class 90 is worth purchasing because there’s not much of a playground to play with it on, then they won’t buy it and the developer will get the best possible feedback!

 

Agree with others, this was a day one originally. The 90! But am going to just wait and see whether it ends up on some other timetables.

OTS have said on Discord they'll add it to their timetable, so pretty sure once that is done, I'll buy it. ATS have said it'll come to MAC as well, but again, I can't see that being more than 5-6 services that the 90 would run. It really needs to end up on that Trent Valley timetable. Hopefully, going off the ATS stream, they did say there is now an agreement with All Aboard, but who knows and if that'll be day one on Trent Valley or later down the line.

But yeah, the multiple timetable thing for gameplay (loco or wagon) packs is becoming a bit silly, especially the multiple cargo line timetables for each of the cargo line packs. Surely that can be just one timetable with layers for each pack? Only time I feel it is acceptable to do is if it represents a different era. eg. if ATS did a passenger pack then a separate 1990s based timetable for JTs routes would be fine with me.

 

Will it be on MAC?

 

No its only on London to Milton Keynes

 

i am confused... the Class 90 timetable has a layer for the 805 but its not showing up?

 

Without apportioning blame, Im guessing they where unable to come to agreement with the owners of the 805 on being allowed to use it on their timetable.

 

Alan mentioned in the 90's feedback thread that it was intended to be included but they werent given permission (paraphrasing) and that *hopefully* something can be worked out.

The fact the spots are already there in the timetable is a good sign, at least the space and pathing is reserved so that if it can be added its not a great deal of work rekajiguring the entire timetable. i DO hope that the various developers involved can come to an understanding.

Not wanting to blame one side or the other here, i am sure its a complicated situation. but hopefully for the games sake it can be worked out

 

This rail tour feels like a mistake.