It Took 8 Years But...

London Underground station in the urinals!!!!

 

I didn't say it was on the same level did I? I said it enhances it, and for me it does. I like knowing that I can open doors.
"Looks like a lot of memory was used." no, there wasn't a lot of memory used for it, barely any infact. We also didn't reject anything over the toilet.

At the end of the day, we wanted to include it, so we did. I don't see how us including that can detract from someones experience? If you don't like it, you don't have to open the door. Some people don't leave the drivers seat, doesn't mean we aren't going to include walkable bridges and sittable benches, or manual crossing gates.

 

There's nothing wrong with adding some Easter Eggs, I've added a few to routes including one which was more a tribute to a good friend.

Are they needed?

Not really but also it helps make development feel less monotonous even if it's only you the dev who will appreciate it.

 

The way I see it is this;

1) It’s been a running joke on TSW since day 1
2) We could add it without issue so we did
3) It did not impact anything else at all
4) The train is getting close to study level now. As with study level aircraft in flight sim, these areas are accessible.

I really don’t see the problem and I’m all in favour of it. Should the opportunity come up to do anything similar in the future then we’ll likely take it.

 

You can go at Morecambe

 

Can you sit on the toilet though? JT added that to some of the stations.

 

Oh yes! It's the only one, to my knowledge.

 

Most people here are just grumpy and angry 24/7 so it spills into the posts.

Stuff like this cracks me up because as you said, it’s completely optional to use. Nobody is forcing people to use the virtual crapper.

It’s like the meme where they say one person says “I like pancakes” and someone responds “oh so you hate waffles?” If you don’t care about it, just don’t use it then.

 

The thing that tickles me most about the 375 toilet, is it actually has authentic flush sounds to go with it from an actual 375... So not only do you have a fully functional and detailed toilet with authentic sounds, but you also have a 375 with equally authentic sounds to match! No detail was missed we can say for sure. A double whammy for authentic sounds!

In general usually the toilets on trains wouldn't interest me in the slightest, but with the way it's been done it actually does make the 375 feel special and authentic. In a really weird way its made the 375 feel more alive and fully accessible! Started off as a joke on stream (which I genuinely laughed out loud at, but equally impressed!) to actually bringing something to the unit and making it feel like a real life train from a passenger perspective.

 

Can you record yourself dictating this post please? I want to hear how adenoidal your voice is.

 

Don't know why people are in such a tizzy about a loo. Just like... ignore it if it bothers you so much

 

It’s become clear to me personally over the last week or so that there are those who knowingly or unknowingly choose to be miserable, seek the bad in things and twist things in a way that gives them reason to moan. Very interesting.

 

Toilets are great and if they are in real life no reason why they shouldn’t be in the game.

I mean, early game Fallout 4 before you can set up your purified water network, you restore health by drinking out of the toilet bowl. Same going back aways to Duke Nukem, ISTR you could top your health up that way too. Plus as already covered, they could add gameplay elements in terms of fault finding and conductor/passenger interaction. So I for one think every piece of passenger rolling stock going forward, should have this feature as standard.

B….y brilliant!

 

I didn't use them, though. No paper!

 

Respectfully, why are you getting so worked up over a toilet being modelled?

I'm almost certain that if it took time away to model another functional part of the train, then they wouldn't have done it.

It's just a bit of fun, which you don't have to interact with.

 

I spend most of my time as passenger in TSW, so I thought I would travel as a fare dodger on the 375 and ride in the toilet between a couple stations, only thing that worried me was when I locked the door, it didn't say "toilet door locked"

 

As the bottom picture shows, you can use leaves like in the old days. Just be careful which leaves.

 

holy s...

 

Yeah, I wouldn't say I was worked up about it. Maybe I had an over reaction though I'm not the only one.

What bothers me is this fixation or fetish that some people have exhibited over working rest rooms. I'm amused by the defensiveness shown by many, including the creators.

Hopefully, now that Firefly has satisfied this unhealthy urge, it will cease to be a " thing " and we can all ignore it ( except those who feel the need to use the toilet virtually, something only a 7th grader would understand ).

Anyway, that's my last word on the subject. I'm really enjoying the route, even the Electrostar, a sentiment which I never thought I would utter.

 

Exactly. And we can hope that one day, if we ever get sleeper cars, we'll be able to go inside the cabins (and not just walk through the corridor).

 

Indeed and include lying down on the bed in the same way as we would sit on the seat.

 

As long as the compartment's empty! Otherwise a bit of an invasion of privacy. Besides, IRL they'd be locked to keep out thieves and worse ne'er do wells.

 

Being able to enter at least 1 cabin and use the bed, ideally in such a way you could look out of the window, would be the bare minimum I would expect if anyone ever made sleeper coaches

 

MaxTracks Mk5s paved the way in this regard, with 2 or 3 different views iirc.
The "next level" would be to turn on/off the different lights and that would be perfect !

 

Each to their own but I find some of the little detail gimmicks a nice bit of fun. e.g. that a large percentage of the lifts in stations on the MAC route actually work. And if the internal doors all work on trains (and riding the sim as a passenger or guard is a thing) then why not the bogs?

One could also possibly argue that the travelator thing on the sky bridge from the Manchester Airport station not working is also a nod to brutal reality.

 

The vast majority of people really enjoy this novelty feature... I didn't think I could be impressed with the sounds and details of the toilet! Sounded like Armstrong Powerhouse 375 toilet sounds too!

Joking aside, the people getting passionately annoyed over something that really doesn't affect anyone is comical. All this potty mouth talk... (I'll get my coat).

A scenario could be created where a fare dodger has locked themselves in the toilet and you as the guard have to catch them! (I'll get my coat again... )

But in all seriousness I didn't recognise how such a feature could make the 375s feel so authentic amongst all the other expert detail.

 

What we need now is a "coin counter" alongside the AP Points, and then places in the game your character can spend them, for instance in Buffet Cars whilst the train is in motion, at Coffee Shops on stations or maybe they could also be linked to unlocking an extra Mastery reward, for instance spend 100 coins at the Station Masters Office and an extra hidden "layer" is unlocked?

 

Only if every DLC has a Tesco Express/Sainsburys Local across the road of every station so I can get my train snacks at half the price

 

I'm not a fan of unlocking "useful" things as I'm only interested in the simulator aspects and don't want to waste my time on collectables etc, so if this layer is something like old copies of mayfair become available at the top shelf in the shops or something then fine, but not a layer in the TSW timetable sense please.

 

I must admit, I spent several minutes stood in front of the toilet just pressing the flush button haha.

 

We have so limited variety of rolling stock especially coaching stock probably some part due to the cost involved in building the interiors. Personally I’d be happier with more variety with less interior detailing, but this does the opposite and only increases players expectations for more details not less which will put more devs off and result in less variety

 

True... because new stock comes with new routes.
You won't get more BR era stock until JT, or someone else, brings up new routes, you won't get Mk4 coaches without a new part of the ECML, etc.
Unless some 3rd party decides to make packs such as the Intermodal, Petroleum, etc were for freight...

 

Even when we do get new coaching stock with a new route we get the bare minimum and sleeper stock and restaurant cars are frequently omitted.

Theres also a probable reason why we aren’t seeing Caroline style packs for coaching stock and they are likely to be cost prohibitive compared to the revenue they will bring in. Making players expectations for coaching stock to be more detailed just adds to the problems.

Comments like expecting to able to enter sleeping car compartments aren’t going to make devs relish in the prospect of making a model when in reality most players would much rather a sleeping car with a basic interior in game to no sleeping car at all.

 

Nobody is expecting crazy level of detail on the interior of these things. It’s a nice to have. Nobody was demanding working toilets and nobody is going to demand fully kitted sleeping cars. You’re acting as if devs are going to panic and think they have to do these optional things when it is only optional.

If they do model them? Great and fun to have! If not, it’s not a big deal.

 

Aren’t they?

 

I would prefer something basic than nothing at all.
But I would prefer something detailed over something that isn't.

 

Maybe you do, but we’ve also seen complaints on this forum from people moaning that shutters are down on shops and buffet bars and how devs are lazy for not including full details completely ignoring the time and expense such things would take to create.

it’s not wonder we get the bare minimum variety but highly detailed models.

 

I feel like DTG is going to get some interesting telemetry from all this. "Nobody's driving the trains; they're all goofing off in the bathroom!"

I hope they're willing to pass along some interesting numbers. I could see Sam having a field day with this.

 

It’s much more likely we get little variation because it’s just cheaper to develop variants of existing assets.

As for sleepers etc, the problem there is likely to do with gameplay value. The night lighting across most routes in the game is poor & doesn’t lend itself to fun gameplay, even then it’s not like there are huge quantities of sleeper services. I doubt any initial plan for making sleeper cars is even getting to the coach detail stage, because the first hurdle of ‘what’s the point’ is huge.

Food Service wagons are pretty much already in, you can head over to the ICE, 390, 220 etc which whilst a little more primitive than the fancier coaches are basically the same fundamentals, I haven’t seen many, if any complaints about those being too simplified despite them being so. The lack of them on more specific consists of say IC sets, is probably just more down to cost of another coach being made when it doesn’t necessarily need to be. Much easier to get away with 1 wagon missing from a loco hauled set, then it is to omit it from a MU.

Overall I think there are few opportunities within TSW for sleeper sets, probably WCMLS makes for the best opportunity since you could have some statics & the 92 could perhaps be part of a larger pack. Same goes for West Coast Railtour sets, but again with the lack of variety we get with route traction, the rolling stock DLCs are probably prioritising more traditional items which IMO is the right way to go for now. I don’t see much point in a dev such as ATS, JT, TSG etc spending loads of time on seldom used assets when they can be producing stock that gets much more use.

The likes of Rivet & Athena though with their blatant cash grab attempts in the form of their railtour packs though, has probably been more detrimental than anything else to prospects for similar content.

 

redrev1917, yes, I see what you mean, and you're not wrong about that.
In the field of train models in France, we call that les compteurs de rivets ("rivet counters"), people moaning again and again about insignifiant details.

That said, I think the question of value for money remains relevant (that corridor thing for example, that would naturally imply an higher price for the coaches pack).

 

Yes, the same causes produce the same effects, and what happened in TS will probably happen in TSW again, namely that it took time to get a 73/9, Mk5s, or even a proper generator car for railtours (Mk2 17105)...

 

It’s a wishlist, not a demand. People are saying it would be cool to have.

I’m sure there’s a small handful of people who will flip out around here about something like this, but people here complain about a blade of grass not facing the right direction on a route. But a majority of people aren’t going to complain if it doesn’t become the norm, just happy as a nice to have bonus if we get it.

 

Well I can say, if we were making sleeper cars, they would be enterable. What other third parties do is up to them, but we aren't going to make our things have less features than what we want them to have.

We make the content we want to make, in the way we want to make it. We like the extra details, much like JT do. So they will be things we continue to add. That's how we are as a team.

 

Day one, take my money !