That’s the whole point - individuals should not be abusing DMs, criticism yes, frustration, but not insults. It does show a lack of maturity.
Hate to be cynical, but that's not news, there's tons of immature people in the world, at a certain point it's more mature to just accept that they exist and just ignore them. Acknowledging them in this won't stop that, case and point, I think this is like the third time in the past two years I've seen them bring this up. To the wrong circles it can actually embolden people, if they're goal is to get reactions out of people. And it also creates the issue that people who are more reasonable might take it the wrong way.
Personal responsibility does not exist anymore. People are abusive because it's someone else's fault apparently. So nasty DTG are driving people to be abusive. That seems to be the argument anyway, especially by those who seem to be excusing this behaviour or certainly not speaking against it. Still when the forums are completely abandoned, that will be DTGs fault too.
Hi everyone, Thanks for your suggestion: (you're all idiots) it's always a pleasure. Indeed, we'll go far with this kind of helpful and necessary "problem-solving" response [], sorry, this isn't a personal attack, but if I follow your reasoning, there's no point in following official releases. How do we know if a DLC is any good? Do you know something we all don't??? Personally, I find this kind of reasoning totally stupid on both sides. It's like treating everyone like ignorant idiots and then looking down on others. If that's not disrespectful, then yes, we've reached new heights. Anyway, I'm going to look for information elsewhere because this is bordering on the ridiculous for some people, and I wish you all a good weekend and a quick update. Best regards, tof [PS: This is my personal opinion and therefore only reflects my own views, thank you in advance]
I'm also not saying that I don't want you to reply or bring issues up. I make a lot of tickets, and most of you know that. I'm just saying, please keep the critiques, conversation, and replies constructive.
I never said don't follow I said don't "purchase" day 1. That will give you time to review many different points of view before you purchase. Also if you want them to change their release ways of lots of bugs and want better QA the best thing to do is for a big chunk of the player base to stop buying stuff day one. If day 1 sales drop by even 30% it would be enough for them to notice and realize maybe we should change our practices. Not just with DTG every company. I don't think I've bought a game this year where I haven't had to wait a week after release for a patch to fix game breaking bugs. So I don't see any reason unless there is a pre-order discount to buy anything day 1. Its not like they will sell out of copies anymore. And if you are buying day 1, especially with DTG's track record your just inviting yourself to be dissapointed.
It's the same people buying on day one and then they seem the most aggressive when it comes to complaining. Some clearly can't control themselves. I even watched a stream or two of Medway before I bought it, even though it seemed a safe bet it would be fine. Maybe that's why I don't get so angry and get called puerile names like fanboy. I'll buy the 90 when it is updated and maybe even then I'll wait to see what they are doing regarding timetables. It looks great and I'm sure it's a case of when not if I purchase it.
For sure I'm going to buy the class 90 too but not before more timetables come. In this state it's absolutely not worth it. The class 90 had to be the masterclass of UK stuff like the 101 or the vectron were. And what we have ? No engine room (ok) Poor Sounds Poor substitutions Poor textures Bugs on key features I don't understand how it is possible in the episode 6 or tsw Eventually could it happen by the 1 or 2. But after 6 episodes we the customers can't accept this low level of stuff anymore.
Yeah, no, I flat out disagree, there's still plenty of games that come out without game breaking issues. Just speaking in the sim space, SCS consistently release quality products that from day one are polished, to the point that even the few times I've used the beta branch the game I never encountered anything game breaking. Or heck, I bought into Railroader within weeks of its release into early access, and despite being label frankly the game never proved to have any notable issues. There absolutely still are well made games coming out, you just aren't playing them.
Why on earth would you even think of reacting like this? It's extremely childish. They have hardly failed, the Manchester route is very well made, if not as long as it could have been. The class 90 will be better when they release the fixes for it. It still looks like a very good model. You might try fixing your full stop key.
[Deleted; insulting - DTG Harry] The 90 is horrific, but they are working hard to fix it. MAC was actually a really decent route!
Well, I am sorry for been mean but see how bad the 90 make me mad hope to have a great GEML route with a great 90 with a dvt 315 321 and 360 pre crossrail era
By the time a patch drops for the class 90, it might be on discount in the Summer sale, so probably best to wait if you haven't already bought it XBOX and Playstation patches cost money to push out, and they have to go through evaluation. Could be a long wait.
Was there a mention of a mod coming for the 90 on PC? Any ideas when we can expect it or if I’ve just misread an earlier post?
I believe ATS said they are releasing a texture mod for PC to improve the looks. I can't remember when it will release though, I'd assume around the time when the improvement update releases.
For those with the class 90 on PC, OTS just updated their 2019 WCML sth TT to include 18 services of the 90 taking their grand total playable services for this DLC to 1556!
As said this loco is highly awaited, and not to be wasted for just a subpar fire and forget release. Totally questionable approach for choosing the traction type. I would have prefered a route or wagon pack, nothing can go wrong with that. Here i have hope somehow that JT building his own version for an appropriate route, hopefully with engine room and dvt dlc And in that very case, you will be aporeciate if the worthy class 90 is implemented and subed into tsws uk timetables. Bottom of the line, im skipping this dlc no matter what.
That is great, though as I have said elsewhere in the forum (after gently mocking console players) that it is a sad state of affairs when we rely on modders to fix things in their own free time rather than the people actually paid to make the DLC in the first place, naturally I understand there being some limitations brought on by licensing etc... That OTS have done this however is a big plus, it's another incentive to actually buy the 90 eventually but I'm still holding off until it is both fixed and improved. Still, it's now over three weeks since the initial release and bugger all has happened aside from people getting angry, others getting sensitive and others becoming too rude and a thread deteriorating into name-calling, not a good look from quite a few parties there :/
3 weeks and still no correct build release. At what point do ATS and DTG admit that they lied to us about the whole wrong build line? Because it’s sounding less and less plausible daily
WE are paying customers, YOU are not. we will blame who we see fit because at the end of the day a standard hasn’t been met once again, and someone has to take responsibility
Yeah, have to say if a wrong build is pushed (V1.4 was sent incorrectly, when it should have been V1.5), that's a 24 to 48 hour fix surely, as V1.5 was the one that was QA approved?? I held off buying it following the fall out (don't do day 1 anymore), but that was on the hope I would get it a week in. No hot fix as of yet smacks of deep seated issues or what unfortunately looks more likely to be an incompleted DLC release from over here. Not going to put it all on ATS, as let's be honest, this is not the first time. This then leads to other conspiracy theories and I have to say the one I'm fast coming to is that this game is now so large in DLC offerings and so broken at its core that only a serious investment will solve it. An investment that may not be financially viable. I find it sad really, we are just at a point where the 3P pool is significant enough to provide a good bulk of new DLC every year which only benefits the whole game, but not the one that is currently on offer. Not sure what the answer is, I feel it's already past the point of no return. Certainly no need for angry and expletive laden DMs though.
Im surprised the 90 wasn't layered onto their own DLC in MAC as well, does it not run at times through that area?
Problem I had with this is once I suspect I am lied to once I no longer anything believe anything I am told by that person again. So are they really getting a constant barrage of abusive DMs or is this just yet another DTG lie?
There is an update awaiting publishing from DTG for MAC, ATS don’t want to further update the route until that’s out (a position I find laughably sad for a couple of reasons). But yes the 90 is a frequent flier out of Trafford Park (at least relative to 90 operations).
I think Alan alluded to the fact that the small team working on TSW at ATS don't have the bandwidth to do further updates while they wait to see what the core updates break in the last few patches of TSW 6. Like I've said before, DTG really need to stop pumping out a yearly version that breaks all the DLC's and work on a base TSW that doesn't need everyone to redownload everything all over again. I get it's how they make their money, but we are clearly seeing that this shift to the "new version" has a detrimental effect on the product as a whole every year, as bugs they claimed they were going to fix, stay in the next version because they couldn't squash them in time. I really hope that TSW 7 leads to a major shake up in the way DTG operates this IP and that they finally see sense and just work towards a polished product that last for a few years at a time. TSW 7 won't really include anything majorly different to TSW 6 in all fairness. Nothing that could be added via patching the core engine anyway. You can sell the route bundle on its own, while patching the core without a new version number.
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Yeah it’s pretty bad from start to finish, there’s a lot of conversation around TSW & existing content, from fixing it, adding to it & even extending it. I think a big reason behind why we see a lack of that is because the content is often too fragile to go back to & with DTG having a constant need to move onto the next DLC to sell, it’s obviously quite hard for even third party devs to stay with one release for any longer than a few weeks. I just think it’s really quite sad that a developer can’t even work on their own content because it essentially already released & DTG cannot comprehend the idea of maintaining & expending one product. A factor that I think ties into the annual release issue, along with the abysmal marketing skillset that leaves DTG having to manipulate storefronts.
We’ve just seen Firely release arguably the most detailed and immersive route to date with little to no problems so I don’t believe it’s a core or financial issue. I think it’s more likely ATS was put under pressure to get this out within a specific timeframe. ATS are not incompetent, the MAC route is excellent, albeit a little short of course. My question really is to DTG and why they believed it was a good idea to approve a dlc with poor sounds and textures both internally and externally, wheel blur and the without the ability to cancel the AWS driving outside the cab.
Hey everyone, After the 147 , on April 16, 2026, the [GWR HST Farewell Pack] DLC is coming out. Still nothing about version 90! They made the monumental mistake of April 1, 2026 [a real April Fool's joke!]. So, for May 1, 2026, place your bets. It's like appetizers costing £12.99/€15.99/$16.99 while waiting for the main course, which is already paid for !!! Yeah, Have a great weekend everyone. Sincerely, Tof.
It's pretty clear at this point DTG don't have the QA capacity to deal with the number of 3Ps they now have releasing content and the fact a load of those third parties do want to patch their releases instead of just "fire and forget". We know that ATS, Skyhook and JT all have sent patches to DTG, in some cases "many months ago", where are they?
The question I don’t see raised, is what happens when DTG gets bored of TSW? We’ve seen with TSC third parties are still publishing great content, but with DTG keeping all content distribution in a chokehold, that’s not really a future I see for TSW. Even now they can’t be arsed to put out 3P updates, presumably because they get no money out of anything but paid 3P content.
What have noticed that updates/patches are further and fewer apart. I mean the new dlc over the last month have had no updates and patches. Might have been one or two if that. I really would to what the hold up is I dont all this crapppp about it cost them money so what the amount money they make stuff should cover it.
That’s assuming they want to invest in TSW beyond selling more content - they aren’t going to put any money back into the core game & existing content when people are as happy as DTG are to buy whatever releases next & let 3 month old content seem ancient. Just look at Xbox, all the content seems to do on that platform is crash, yet every single feedback thread for content has more Xbox players saying the content is crashing. It will continue to release in that state for aslong as people buy it. I personally can’t wait to see All Aboard release their next route, because after one majorly flawed release, people went and bought their second majorly flawed release. It’ll happen again with the third one & all the same issues will still be there, just like it is with every single piece of content that’s come out lately. Even firefly who damn near perfected their grasp of TSW route building couldn’t get a clean release. DTG isn’t Activision competing with EA over who dominates the FPS market, they have no competitor thus they don’t care about their reputation within the train simulation space. Whilst developers & community spokespeople will go on socials and talk about how disappointed they are the content released that way, the people that have actual control over decision making will simply not give a damn until the content doesn’t sell.
Which is why in the last few days, over £50 of the money I had set aside in my Steam Wallet for upcoming TSW releases like Preston to Crewe, Trent Valley or the German steam add on, has been spent on OMSI 2 instead. That’s now money that DTG and their third parties may not be seeing for Day One releases, with the core and increasing tech and content debt in such a state.
Yup, a few years ago I remember discussing how much I wanted a DB 147 in TSW, yet it released and I couldn’t care less. Not because I don’t want a 147, but because the class 90 utterly deflated me. I mean just look at the feedback threads for both locos, it’s completely ridiculous that they were released at all. I was just having a discussion with someone I once argued with over the ballast colour on SEHS in TSW2. It made me chuckle to think of that being such an issue it would cause heated whirlwind threads on the forum, but now the issues are cataclysmic in comparison, the technical debt TSW has taken on is simply out of control.
Did DTG even release a patch to the core to prevent it crashing the game? No they didn't. Speaks volumes...
