Updates When Are They Coming

It wasn’t mentioned in the YouTube video

 

Patch notes are not complete and will be finalised before release.

Hentis

 

While I understand your frustration, just to reemphasise my point: the 145, as it is, is perfectly playable and the bugs it has are so minor, in my eyes, that I am not so much waiting for fixes, but rather the additional gameplay, TSG puts into this patch. I am having such a blast with the new features that I have run out of trains (after about a week after release…) that I need to assemble and do proper brake checks on, that I want more of them

 

Could an attempt at communicating to the players be any more confusing than this!?

We'd be better off watching reruns of " Fawlty Towers ".

 

Just get the free update of TSW 7 when the window is opened and you can decide if you want to buy any of the new routes/added locos.

 

Why did he list some upcoming updates in his video description then?

I’m not sure Dal. Maybe he’s allowed to mention some and not others. I’d expect 2x the amount of fixes on this list tbh.
No MAC updates on the list has me concerned also. Still randomly spawning at different stations on that route with the Voyager (PS5).

 

He listed them because ambassadors are allowed to report on them. What are you not understanding?

 

Yeah it’s pretty much this.

 

Zero disrespect to the ambassadors here (some are good some are bad like everything in life). But why the hell am I now expected to have to subscribe to them in order to know what’s happening in the game? Have the community manager team just given up on doing their jobs entirely now? Or is it a case that ambassadors are seeing a reduction in viewing figures and need these scoops in order to drive traffic to their channels?

 

No, that’s not what DTG is about.

DTG will simply create the update thread in the forum as usual and keep us informed about upcoming updates.

As many people have always complained that they don’t know what updates are coming, DTG has now decided to give the ambassadors access to the updates in advance.
And DTG has now decided that the ambassadors are allowed to report on the upcoming updates before the public post on the forum.

It’s not that hard to understand.

 

I’ve looked and there’s no thread about any recent update and first notification about an update should be official communication not via an ambassador IMO. What happens if an ambassador goes rouge, quits the program and decides to declare an update which doesn’t exist, or if their account becomes hacked? The community will be believing it because that’s the normal.

In the age of fake news and AI spoofs I expect the first notification of updates to the game to come from DTG directly and that shouldn’t be an unreasonable expectation.

And why should I have to work out if someone on YouTube is an official ambassador or not to know if I can trust if this update is real of not?

 

redrev1917 The update isn't out yet. You'll receive a notification here in the forum when the update is released.
Das Update ist ja auch noch nicht draussen. Hier im Forum wirst du die Benachrichtigung kommen, wenn das Update raus kommt.

 

To be honest I’m not bothered about ambassadors for they’re trapped between rock and a hard place.

That means ambassadors are now filtering TSW6 issues or patches whatever one wants to call it to the public and back to DTG.
Not a problem for TSW6 issues.

BUT what about all the longstanding issues many still face, the individual issues that effect the player not an ambassador doing the filtering of what can actually be disclosed publicly, whats in the public opinion away from the let’s say a majority of user have regarding their long time experience dealing with DTG. Not just TSW6 but for any previous core titles or anything purchased that doesn’t meet basic customer standards.

So I’m not bringing any names to the table just my personal opinion about ambassadors.
In a way there under DTGs thumb so any massive media attention can be manipulated or controlled putting some ambassadors in a tricky position when dealing with the publics frustration.

Ie swaying the narrative away from any unwanted criticism as I’ve been witnessing in many YT comments.

Yet have a YouTube working freely can pass or have an honest opinion without having any pressure in dealing with DTGs bidding.
Channel owners operating outside the confines of DTGs umbrella have a clear advantage by providing fair media coverage regardless of the topic content being positive or not. They are free to pass an honest review where ambassadors might not have that luxury.

What’s your opinion on the matter?.

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What’s the harm in getting patch notes earlier from the ambassadors and then getting them officially by DTG at the usual time? I’m personally struggling to see the problem here.

 

Some people just need to complain. It doesn't matter what it's about. Even a lamppost will do. Or the cloud in the sky is the wrong shape.

 

Because you get fake ambassadors posting fake news to get clicks. And if the first we hear of new updates is from YouTube the it’s hard to know who is legit and who isn’t.

I know Hentis, British Ace and Train Sim Driver are all ambassadors but beyond that I’ve no idea who is and who isn’t

 

Just wait for an official announcement from DTG here on the forum, Discord, or Reddit. The patch notes will be there too. What's the problem?

 

And social media works like that lol.

 

You've got all the sources there for all the info you ever need on this game.

 

I have just had an idea for a youtube channel. I’ll give fake patch notes for TSW updates. I’m sure I won’t be the first to be doing this but I will strive to be the best. Now that I’ve typed that it seems likely that I would actually be the first. I do like the idea of being a fake ambassador though. Pyramid of cheap Aldi chocolates anyone?

Back to real issues in 3, 2, 1…

 

I don’t mind Train Sim Driver although he can come across a bit of a know it all (which in fairness he probably does know most of it), I can’t watch British Ace personally brace he has a tendency to jump around too much, but I can’t watch see why he has such a following. Tbh I watched one of hentis rail once and it wasn’t for me, it’s that long back I can’t even remember what it was that put me off. Maybe I need to give him a second chance in fairness.

But then I don’t really follow many channels but will dip in when YouTube suggests a video I might like if the title catches my attention. And that’s my point, prior if I saw something ok YouTube I was confident that if there hadn’t been official comms from DTG then it was probably hyperbole and fake news for clicks, but now for whatever logic if I’m casually scroll Facebook or YouTube and come across something about TSW how can I know if it’s true or not?

 

You can mock but there was that Aussie guy who did claim he was an official ambassador of TSW and was basically an arse. Can’t remember the guy name though

 

Can't remember though....

O well.. back to playing TSW.

 

Stick to the mentioned/trusted channels and discard everything else. Just like with everything else you get online.

 

Aussie world wide gaming channel or something.

to be honest I’m past caring with a lot of you. Seems like you are that self centred and righteous that anyone giving an opinion differing to yours is open to attack.

 

Especially an opinion critical of DTG , its acolytes and ambassadors.

 

Sadly that’s the truth.

 

If I may could you please explain to what the free starter pack offers a player that’s been collecting since TSW2?.

From my experience is each year be existing user or not claiming the free starter pack or new full core price does nothing to really cure anything. Poor user interface or clumsy menus, including all these issues many users have experienced over the years
Yes it might bring some new functionality or features to the game yet even those come with issues that again get resolved on the next released core titles. All the while still plaguing the current release such as why are players still waiting for issues to be resolved with WCML south, a TSW5 add on. Surely if free add on pack are meant to resolve past issues continuing to plague new core releases (TSW6) then what’s the point if it fails on that.

The problem is and always has been that players that call it a day claim the last free starter packs don’t walk away with a product that DTG fully fixed.

Why I struggle to see any real benefits of the free starter pack other than a market strategy just like online games do.
Suck customers in, bleed the consumer dry then spit them out.

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Relying on others reputations (ambassadors) to take the flack.
DTG hide leaving ambassadors to face the music and flow of information.

DTG say jump, ambassador ask how high.

Yet wouldn’t it be great to have a one on one conversation no holds barred.
No mediocrity, just hard truth. Lies only bring comfort.

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I own the class 86 and I’ve driven miles without issues. What are your issues or concerns?.

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Hence why I have huge respect for Train Sim Society, his reviews and opinions are unfiltered and without prejudice.

 

Is that fair when they could address its community. Why hide behind stream if users come here too.
Surely of a company has anything good or exciting to say it wants to tell the world not just the few.

I thought I’d left the organised secret societies working in the shadows. Seems there’s a new one in town.

The TSW mafia.

Joking aside tho could you please explain why information flow to most media outlets including their own forums hasn’t happened?.
What’s your understanding and what’s the explanation behind more grumblings.

Surly customer aren’t expected to chase information now?.

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I will agree too that. His opinions are fair and valid no nonsense information.

It’s non biased and so cuts to the roots or whatever concerns fans or community without hindrance.
I can’t with any conformation say any ambassador of DTG are hiding or ignore the true narrative or situation on anyone’s behalf.
I’ve watched a few and seen the hidden manuscripts of manipulation all covered over with fake laughter and the long drawn out streaming that is enough to make anyone fall asleep thus missing any critical information. That goes for official TSW streaming or otherwise.

I mean yes I can waffle with the best of them but it’s like being on open call with the government cabinet office.
Boring long tedious hours of bland faces and tired out souls ready to welcome the next bus to hit them thus ending the misery.

I know some might take offence to that but hey this is a game at the end of the day, it’s on consoles not PC.
Would it be fair to ask for more factual content from engaging energetic sources such as the one mentioned.
I have nothing against more complex topics or information for those wanting that, but again we have to ask the question do people really care.

When all we want is to play the game not waste our time looking for answers!.

Quality isn’t the order of the day and I feel people have the right to have a say when things have gone on long enough to the point most feel like fools waiting for information or continuing buying product in the light of the current situation knowing what’s in store.

Same old story, slap on the forehead while whispering fool so the old ball and chain doesn’t say “I told ya so”.

It’s not right in anyone’s book for customers to beg for individual solutions or mass user issues/fixes.
And so if the one channel mentioned does back up or touch upon topics that are truly valid and important to getting consumers voices heard then he like ambassadors has a free opinion if of course ambassador not under the control of the puppet masters.

And if I am wrong then they know where to find me to discuss.

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I’ll make this my last one.

Firstly and because this is on public display I’d like to refrain from explaining myself on what I do and the resources available.

It’s nothing personal yet we are human and so the normal excuse would be it’s just human nature.
I don’t believe in that and will not allow that or hidden egos that blind the common man even without knowing to come between any individual or group for having what they might call apposing views.
It’s a common tendency for all to fight for what they believe even when faced with the facts or hard evidence.
Again it’s human nature pre programmed.

Then there is the mass effect or group effect that again is working away in the subconscious mind. Human nature.
We are social creatures and so will go with a narrative that offers the most comfort. I’m not a man that brings comfort. Truth as said before can be hard for some to accept, thus never move on making the same mistakes over and over. Dead relationships, even Jobs. They stay because it’s more comfortable to stay than face hard choices.
Happy to chat all day but don’t actually say anything, they stay mute hiding behind the masks or static because fear of speaking outside of comfort can or will be frowned upon because the crabs in the bucket want to drag those escaping the comfort of the bucket.
Trapped with the rest.

I’m a philosopher and so the crabs in the bucket are stupid.
It’s a scientific fact of study. Rude word but it’s used to describe the hidden habits of the crabs.

Ie the world can never win against a crab because they will beat you with experience. No pinching needed.
It takes more energy for the intellect to comprehend than it does for a blind man who hasn’t got a clue.
5 percent brain power of a LOVE and 20 to 25 percent for the average intelligent person.
It’s tiring.

Crabs fight and argue all day long because even suffering is comforting to most.
For a person to speak up about change or impact to their daily tradition is what cause the alarm in the human mind, creating fear and anger so any free individual speaking up will be attacked by the mass, the crabs in the bucket.

It’s human nature, it a person allows to be controlled by that and not by having what I’d call free thinking that can allow fear have any bearing whatsoever on a life decision. Fear doesn’t rule.

Yet we the community and even the world over fight because that’s what we do. Human nature, and until the truth comes then unfortunately we will have those that will purposely attack or bully individuals for having the courage to speak up.

Because hey no system wants the crabs to escape.

Tradition is comfortable, change is terrifying to those living in comfort.

If a member isn’t blowing smoke up someone’s backside then they must be a bad influence and attacked right away.
Rejected from the crab club of comfort.

When legally speaking any person is free to an opinion or free to discuss without hindrance.

What happened to the days of being able to talk openly without things getting away from a point subject all because they can’t keep their noses clean. Interference when if a person hasn’t nothing decent to bring to the table can go whistle.

All community members should be able to discuss freely be of a negative opinion or a positive one.
Sadness is after all on the same scale as happiness.
If the world had just happiness then I’m sure the world would be a boring place.

One setting. No opposition no change or new challenge. Complaining is the driving factor for man’s evolution.
Without it’s just the day to day comfort that most call living.

When in fact the world’s suffering because man can’t talk, only arguing before fighting.

Thus man refuses to learn.

I refuse to allow that to happen.

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So then don’t pay attention to them and just wait for them to be released via the official channels. Even when they are provided by the above ambassadors, I always check the actual posts from DTG to make sure nothing was accidentally misinterpreted by those YouTubers.

 

I can’t stand the “brutally honest” title on every post, but his actual content is fairly solid.

 

I think it's a wheel blur bug, which JT have already fixed and are waiting for DTG to push the update (and have been waiting for a while IIRC).

 

Hi Dal I hope you are well, I thought I would reply to this one because its an important experiment.

Community Team and the Ambassadors talked about how we could help with patches by being a canary in the coal mine. This is the first time we've knowingly had the update first and it does a few things:

• It allows us to validate that build is good and includes everything on the patch list
• Give any last minute feedback
• Promote the patches so you can see progress and give your feedback

While I understand your frustration at not having the update in your hands when you know it exists please see this as a new layer of transparency.

Personally (and I emphasise this is a personal view) I would love to see this evolve into an opt in "canary" channel anyone on Steam could get into. There is no way to do this for consoles sadly.

Paul

 

Official patch notes will come via the usual channels.

 

Then just wait for an official announcement from DTG. Then you don't have to watch at all.

They will announce the list of fixes when it releases as usual.

 

Problem is if the community doesn’t know what’s real and what isn’t on mass because things are effectively being announced via YouTube then the community will start discussing fake news as factual and murky the waters and cause confusion. It’s not so bad on the forums as fake news can be quickly shut down but on Facebook etc.

I’ve no issue with ambassadors showcasing patches prior to release but I do think there should be official comms out prior to this happening.

with all due respect Paul, I understand the ambassadors get new releases prior to release and we are getting still getting incorrect and bad new build releases released to retail so this is a mute point and clearly ambassador feedback is already being ignored by DTG otherwise we wouldn’t have the class 90 mess.

 

Problem with incorrect height of wheel pair bogies.

 

How does anyone not know what is real or not real if they are looking at the DTG official channels for updates?

The point is if you follow actually ambassadors that are known as such an respected as such, then great you know you can go to them and trust them. If someone new pops up, you can just ignore them and wait until they get verified as an actual ambassador (if you care that much about following their content) or just wait until the DTG site is updated with release notes.

We’re making a mountain out of a molehill here.

 

Presumably the wheel and bogie misalignment?

 

Hi Redrev I understand the confusion and your thoughts on believability. There certainly is plenty of "extraneous information" out there shall we say, some based on truth plenty just plain made up. It can be hard to tell the difference when it sounds authoritative. There definitely will be comms from DTG. I imagine the Community Team may take your thoughts into consideration in this experiment.

What I can say is that if its coming from a declared ambassador then the information has come from DTG, while each of us adds our character to the release information it all comes from the same source. I always try to tell people when I am adding things I have seen elsewhere or my own speculation. I would hope the other ambassadors do as well. That said you don't need to believe it, there is no worries about waiting for the official patch information. Only a tiny percentage of players are represented here and slightly more on discord but neither reflects the full player base. Most of the player base do look to the DTG social channels and their favourite creators for information on whatever platform suits them.

As for release quality, we get that kind of DLC deliverable too late to address any feedback unless it is game breaking. There have been occasions when a delayed release call has happened after ambassador feedback. People make a lot of assumptions about the ambassador team. Some right, some not so much. One thing we've been talking with DTG about is highlighting who we are and what our volunteer role is.

Paul

 

Pretty sure I got called a liar and a thief by the community for posting things about updates and the like before they were released about 2 months ago.... You all said that until DTG say it, it's a breach of NDA.....

 

Open Beta branch would be a great step in the right direction imo. And it can be done on Xbox (Game Preview Program), just not on PS afaik.

 

When you compare the feedback provided in the feedback threads and the fixed things in the patchnotes, you will see, why there are not open beta branches. It is pointless to do open beta when you can not fix bugs fast.