Gbr Class 802 Discussion Thread

well if thats what the DFT have told them and they have agreed to the licensing, hardly anything they can do

 

That you don't like this product it will not meaning in general it's a "cash grab"....

 

That's the whole point it's not something DTG do for fun to being rude to use or make fun of it

 

exactly, that's what the disgruntled moaners cannot understand

 

thats just a thing they sling around when they cant actually think of anything to say, everythings a cash grab to them

 

if DFT are the ones issuing the takedown I guess DTGs hands are tied in that sense and they have no choice but to comply, however, there is one thing I don’t exactly understand…


How come, all these liveries that do show licences remain on the CC, meanwhile, it’s just the GBR 802 being taken down for having licensing in the liveries?

something doesn’t add up here.

 

Yeah it's very weak response and a bit disrespectful I think. If you don't like it thats very fine but such words make the discussion hostile and not pleasant to follow.

 

because its the DFT a government body, who will absolutely care about their intellectual property, where as any other company may not be bothered

 

A license is not one size fits all thing. They can ask for this to granted the license so that's an answer why that could happen.

 

I still sense BS. They mean to tell me the dft aren't happy with other versions of the livery being used, but other companies they don't have a license with (and dtg themselves, seemingly) are all a-ok with their stuff being used...?

Even if they don't know about it, why aren't dtg taking precautionary steps in these instances...?

 

£4.99 for a livery that until recently was available for free on Content Creators club and it only offers two services and two scenarios is very much a cash grab.

There are many DLCs I'm not a fan of but they aren't cash grabs. This is. Just because you like it doesn't mean it's not one.

 

because its a government body....but yes DFT are not happy for their intellectual property is being used, the companies may not know or care that their liveries are in CC, DFT however do care

 

not really.... TSC did liveries for £5 was they a cash grab?

 

Oh it is. Nobody forced DTG into the contract. They accepted it, knowing that part of the agreement would be to take down the liveries available on Content Creators.

 

It's not "only a livery".... Better you read the description for this addon again. There are also extra timetables and scenarios included....

So you're whining for 4,99 and make a whole show of it.... A bit childish

 

yeah... and? end of the day they've got to follow that contact at the end of the day, as if they breached it then the license and any previous or future liveries could be removed, and is also illegal to breach a contract

 

Still doesn't explain why dtg shouldn't take preventative action in case other companies start caring

 

its company by company basis

 

And out of every railway company in the world, only the dft get pissed off?

 

i wouldn't say p***** off, but they dont want theres to be used end of the day that's what the contract states, in terms of other companies its down to them at the end of the day

 

But they still signed it off knowing full well the only way players would get access to the livery is by buying it. That is a cash grab, no matter what way you look at it.

The Centro livery for the 323 is still available on Content Creators club despite the option being available to purchase it. ScotRail livery is still available on Content Creators club despite that contract with ScotRail being strict and removal of liveries in place if it crosses a line.

That the GBR livery won't be available for free, makes it a cash grab. Doesn't matter what contract was signed, it's a cash grab.

 

end of the day a contract is a contract which they are legally obliged to follow, so with that logic i suppose any game dlc is a cash grab

 

It doesn't matter what you say or what explanations DTG come up with, some have decided they are going to be angry about it whatsoever and reasoning will not dissuade them.

This is the forums in a nutshell and I suspect a significant reason why DTG staff are not around here so much.

 

I still don't get how a company trying to make money on a completely optional purchase is a cash grab.

It's a fact that companies are there to make profit.

It's no different to scenario packs on TSC which tend to average £1 per scenario - I really can't see what the fuss is about.

We've had three remasters at no cost recently. 2 of which were really quite good improvements. The only thing DTG owes us is bug fixes.

I don't want this particular DLC, so I shall exercise my right not to buy. If there are other similar packs in the future that I think I would enjoy for the same price, I wouldn't have any hesitation to buy them

 

no cant say i blame them,

 

It's an easy phrase to bandy around like so many you find on here.

Personally I also have little interest in this DLC so I'm not going to get angry over it.

 

To be clear its perfectly fine to not being happy with this pack and nobody is asking not to be vocal but call it a cash grab is a little to much so yeah i think you choose the right approach Other users should be cool down and go outside to take some fresh air i guess...

 

they deffo need to touch grass

 

I find the reactions to blue trains in TSW quite disturbing. They either shouldn’t exist or they should be free. Bonkers.

I’m not buying this DLC because in the not too distant future this livery will be taking over the UK network and TSW like Japanese knotweed and right now I’m exercising my right to not see it in game.

Soon enough everyone will be sick of seeing GBR liveries in TSW. We can all look back on this moment and have a jolly good laugh at the people who were eager to get it first but not so eager that they cried for days about it costing a fiver.

 

So according to Google AI, the definition of a cash grab in gaming is "a product—such as a game, expansion, or microtransaction—designed primarily to generate quick, easy profit with minimal effort, often disregarding quality or player experience. These products frequently utilize low-effort, recycled content, and aggressive monetization to exploit player loyalty or popular intellectual property"

Key Indicators of a Cash Grab:
Low Effort/Quality: The product feels rushed, unpolished, or consists of "copy-paste" mechanics, such as clone games or shovelware.

Aggressive Monetization: Heavy focus on microtransactions, loot boxes, or pay-to-win mechanics that make the game unplayable without spending extra money.

Brand Exploitation: Releasing low-quality titles that leverage a popular movie, show, or older successful game to attract buyers.

Asset Flipping: Reusing assets from previous games with very little innovation or improvement.

This DLC fits that definition. So for those who don't seem to understand why people say that, here's your answer. Also, just because a person doesn't have to buy the product doesn't mean a product is not a cash grab

 

There are some pretty garish, dare I say cringeworthy, liveries on the UK rail system. This really isn't one of them.

Plus it's about $6. My local barrista took that from me this morning already.

And I've never visited the Creators Club. I'm a little wary of what I might see there.

Anyway, choose your battles, folks. A few bucks isn't worth the fight.

 

It is when they are removing all the player made GBR liveries...

 

They might as well terminate CC altogether at this point. We can’t have nothing in this world…
Oh wait, ordering my Chinese soon, that’s what my £5 quid is being put towards. Only way I’ll ever considering buying this livery is when it’s 90% off and even that’s pushing it

 

Well I assume you understand that licensors hold all the cards when it comes to their IP.

Not worth risking future use of the GBR livery when the takeovers come around, is it?

I'm sure you can still paint your trains for personal use, right?

 

What about a GBR livery mod? I’m assuming that will be allowed or will that be barred too?

 

Better you use your'e own brain instead of a dumb AI model....

 

They were tolerated on TSC ( see Metra etc. ), but TSW is more of a closed shop.

 

Timing is convenient is all I'm saying.

The livery pack was announced months ago, yet they have only just started removing them.

I suspect creating and uploading them will be fine in a month or 2.

(The DfT have zero issue with the BR logo being used, they own that too).

DTG won't be the first or last to do something like this.

 

AI can't be trusted at face value. Always double check.

The AI isn't wrong about this being a cash grab. All they did with the livery was change the colours of the interior. Minimal effort required

 

cause of licensing

 

that chinese is a cash grab

 

Looks really cool hopeful the will roll this out to other Loco in TSW

 

Absolutely not. Mr Woo’s famous Sweet n Sour chicken hits the spot every time.
I normally order some crispy beef and crispy seaweed as a starter too.
If you like I can put a word in for you, just say Monkey Alan sent you and he’ll give you a 15% discount.

 

Actually sounds pretty good for a fiver.

Mcvities on the other hand. Total cash grabbers. They took a digestive biscuit and reskined it with Milk Chocolate and called it a new biscuit. I'm writing to the CEO to express my disgust /s

 

You’ll never turn me to the Dark Side, NEVER!

 

Are you able to say why it's only the new GBR liveries that are being removed and not the traditional BR ones? Surely the DfT aren't being picky?

 

That's the official line anyway.

Normally when it's licensing, all things are removed from said licence. The BR Blue, railway cross logo etc are all fine to stay.

I can't prove it, but it's not a coincidence that they are only removing the livery they are trying to sell you...