What’s Going On With The Class 90?

So sad. Literally the second UK add on I don't own (the first being the Athena Railtour one) and tis all cause of this feedback.

Athena it's pretty obvious where the blame lies. This one I've no clue but I am sure that all parties share some of it.

 

We have to fair about this because…

A, We haven’t heard anything from the horses mouth, ATS.
B, We haven’t heard anything official from DTG.

However in saying this doesn’t mean they (Both) should get off lightly.
Someone has to take full responsibility for the situation. Who is tho?, DTG,,ATS?.
Apparently the little birds tweet that ATS is waiting on DTG. Now to be fair to ATS in his first original YTV to address the initial release issues he does say and quote: “He can’t do testing for consoles” End quote.

So back to square one.

And I feel it’s only fair the community has its say if left in the dark again. That fear of oh not again.
SLAP ON THE HEAD moments. It’s hard on customers pockets and more importantly their overall morale or mental mood when money is involved. Come on DTG we’re all in the same boat, some people can’t even afford to eat.

So if DTG doesn’t work with us the community how can anyone start to support or build new.
The more it goes on the worse it will get all round.

We buy a product to enjoy, not to Q&A sessions or BETA testers reporting everything back to no avail.
I can see how Devs and 3rd parties feel. DTG publish, so does the book stop with them, higher staffed decisions makers.

Money men don’t care about games, just the revenue. I often wonder if someone is making DTG struggle, go pop so they can claim the franchise and business.

Anyway enough from me, but I am very curious to how all this will finally pan out.
There’s enough heat in the pan so no one at DTG can blame the cooker

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Me neither, it's more the timetable which is stopping me at the moment.

I'm sure I will get it at some point as I don't doubt it will be improved, I don't believe there is any conspiracy.

Still as usual some jumped in and bought it and are now angry.

 

Well we need some people to jump in and buy DLC otherwise there'd be nobody to report the issues, it's not as if the store description warns potential customers the the product is substandard and doesn't work

Still, until DTG get their act together I'm holding off DLC purchases until I've at least seen reviews and / or bugs have been addressed, and mostly buy in sales now. A stark change from two years ago when I'd every UK and US DLC on day one, plus any others that might take my fancy.

As DTG is the company uploading the DLC to Steam for customers to purchase, as far as I'm concerned it's up to them to test the final builds of their products before release and send it back to the 3rd party if it's deemed unsuitable, which clearly 60 seconds of testing would have identified in the case of the 90 (I don't buy the "wrong build" excuse at all this time around, considering the amount of time it's taking them to retrieve the correct version from one of their servers...)

JB

 

Plenty of streams showing it off and off course the reviewers who make money from slating DLC, which they then refund.

Also many have bought it and are happy with It.

It seems the most vociferous complainants are the ones buying DLC on a whim.

 

I think it's perfectly reasonable for people to buy something and expect it to work without any (major) issues. Just as I also think it's perfectly reasonable to be unhappy when it doesn't.

Of course, at this point I expect stuff to have major issues at this point, and am glad I held off the 90 (and the 805 for that matter, although both were probably sale purchases anyway)

 

i bought it day one, I'm mildly annoyed at the day one faults, but overall I'm happy with it, could it have had more timetable slots, aye it could, but you can add your own routes as long as you don't need stopping markers and the like, and tbh the scoring system in TSW means nothing to me, i don't play because i can make a number go up so not running scenarios or proper timetable runs is irrelevant.

 

I watched a few of the ambassadors' previews and that gave me enough info to not want to buy it. It was indeed that obvious.

 

It's a shame because the timetables are a mess. When the 70 comes out this would really have been a fantastic route (wcml), you'd have the 66s 90s and 70 on the wembley to tunstead stone
The game is feeling less and less aimed at enthusiasts and more a cash building exercise. Ramming out as much content as possible.

It's just a matter of trust, If you place any sort of trust in Dovetail games you'd buy things day one. I've always been that sort of person. For 2 decades I buy my games at launch, Nintendo, PlayStation whatever

I am not a regular TSW player, I probably play a few hours a month, certainly less than 10 hours. 5 or 6 full route runs through the month and bits here and there. So for me it's not the end of the world when I spend £12 on some DLC that isn't perfect , it's just disappointing when you play it and it reeks

 

It's a matter of spending a few minutes doing some research.

This isn't even a DTG release either.

 

Just bought the 805 addon and even that comes with it's own timetable meaning it can't be used with the 90 unless you spawn one on foot!

 

The amount of timetables there are is getting out of hand its ridiculous.

 

A problem that has already been identified by the once loyal community.

Ie I have every TSW game so TSW2020 to TSW6, including most add on packs for UK. A lot of DLCs, and a lot of time to fully drive them.
I’ve had this discussion a few time here so it’s clearly not just me of because others have mentioned the amount of back catalogue.
Some I’ve never even driven. Still new technically, mostly German routes.

Down time playing the routes and if things ain’t right would mean time looking for news or leaving comments.
A reason why a few now including myself is in no real rush to purchase if new releases have issues or a user has unused content already.
A firm response to why I believe DTG need to slow down, it allows players to fully enjoy the product. I mean it can take months for a fix for that to happen and by then another 4 or 5 DLCs has hit the market.
Players just don’t have the time to sit down and work through each DLC in time.

Why some feel it’s a cash grab for the amount pushed out which tends arrive in a poor state more often than not.
Thus pushing back a customer that would buy everything on release has now decided not to repeat such foolish acts.

However in fairness to DTG they are a company and do have business partners. To how much financial backing DTG has is open to consideration. Again revenue, DTG has to do what it has to do if a CEO is breathing down someone’s neck at DTG.
New products rushed to market leaving staff and 3rd parties feeling the pressure and financial pinch.

DTG has to make money to support existing development or future projects, in between remasters.
The game is a train game so will offer a lot of options to old and newer players in terms of timetables, if not what else is there to do with a train, fly?. It offers these things, now whether a player uses the product or not is then down to buyer preference.
So it’s important to understand this, most have and why they tend to not add any additional routes because of an individual preference or overall long standing situations.

So for me, I accept that timetables will mount up because I’ve added the new content.
And I accept that the game is a train game so comes with timetables.
Plus understand when and what to buy based on my own individual decisions.

DTG can’t be blamed for any user having to much content, it worked out better price wise at point of sale.
The main problem now is those players with such large back catalogue are now using them over purchasing new products.
It makes more sense to wait for reviews or fixes, and by that point is on sale so probably take a pun.

The main problem with that tho is the decline in DTGs revenue putting more pressure on the company now and for any longer term strategies.
Why I believe in no more distractions for DTG for any real problems will get harder and harder for DTG and the community to fully embrace a working relationship towards a solution.

Because words are just words, actions speak louder and if DTG is making small improvements then that’s action.
The routes now are absolutely beautiful to a point where it’s hard to notice if it’s a real train or not.
We have to give DTG and the 3rd party teams recognition for that, we are seeing some improvements.

However there is a lot more to do when it comes to how products reach the consumer and what gets done if any issues are raised.
And to achieve this level of customer satisfaction is too reduce release giving DTG more time to focus rather than having to back track wasting more money and resources. And it allows players to player the game or routes before a new one arrives.

The back catalogue is huge so there is no shortage of routes for new customers.

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I'm using the Nuclear timetable for WCML South as it appears to be the most complete one. I don't really miss the 805 there, and the 805 introduces blurriness to the route.

 

does the 20 nuclear pack get added just to the 390 timetable or is it present in the 90 and or 805 timetables as well?

 

The Nuclear comes with its own timetable, which contains the stuff from the base timetable and the CL v3 intermodal.

 

Same as me i use that one.