dont know why I remembered that you could theoretically drive em 160 kph... and now I know why - despite the designation on the cab car of 140 kph, Linke Rheinstrecke (like when you try Mainz to Koblenz direction) allows you to go 160 kph (in HUD, as well as in-game nothing is really stopping you except sense of realism/immersion)
Reminds me of the PbZ train. If you use the BR101 Expert, several cars (a random number per run) will have faulty brakes, which must be manually bled. Maximum speed 100 km/h. If the train accelerates slowly and rolls poorly, check that the brakes are released on all cars. It's possible that the BR147 is malfunctioning.
The LZB thing is really weird. On Leipzig-Dresden I decided to turn the faulty LZB off from the start and just go with PZB - it's v-max=160 with the loco anyway (also turned off LZB Nothalt, just to be sure) - but then my train still went into LZB mode and did its strange brake-to-zero stuff with a long beeping tone. Then had to turn LZB back on and off again, so I finally could continue without LZB. I think, it shouldn't have gone into LZB mode to begin with, with it being turned off.
since you mentioned LZB with this loco... does it have a working LZB/AFB exit procedure? ... or ehm, in what way/ways is the LZB on this faulty? care to elaborate O ? edit: so out of my own curiosity, I tried in Free Roam... first off, even with AFB turned on, it doesnt show the yellow indicator, tho it is working in the background... LZB/AFB exit procedure works, tho for some reason it doesnt require resetting AFB and if you left throttle in power it will resume taking power... which is weird or bug, cos upon exiting LZB AFB should deactivate and you are usually required to reset it what is also weird is if you want to reset it (for the sake of realism/immersion I guess), then you have to reset it as AFB usual (aka throttle off, reset AFB) and yeah I can confirm that even with LZB turned off, it turns itself on (the long beep is just LZB coming on, or getting signal)... the braking to zero you experienced is the AFB deactivating - to get rid of the braking to zero, you have to turn it completely off (aka moving it to OFF position)... if you want to then reactivate it, you have to put throttle to off and then move it to desired position so the conclusion is that it is completely upside down - upon exiting LZB (even with PZB turned on and LZB off as you mentioned), you are completely fine doing nothing, power stays on, AFB stays on... and upon entering LZB area (as I have found out no matter if you got PZB only or LZB on), AFB deactivates... so yeah, this is the case of like, why should we bother with correct LZB behavior if the loco doesnt yet have any routes with LZB on... like come on, of course if it has LZB, ppl will try and use it in Free roam, as bugged as that can be... hell, even with 146.2 it took em until they released Frankfurt Fulda to release a version with LZB working properly (but even that one was "only" faulty when it came to exiting LZB, it couldnt free itself of LZB, leading to penalty braking)... but to see the LZB/AFB behavior totally upside down? lol... I hope they fix it in the future tho (even though it is "only" 160 kph loco, even those can run on LZB lines and benefit from it - as you know, LZB doesnt require acknowledging speed reductions, for example)
Once you're in an LZB section, a bit later it just starts braking for no appearant reason and does so until 0. The blocks are free, the signals green, but it just brakes and won't get moving again. There is no red "G" and also no "Zwangsbremsung", PZB Frei-Button won't help either - I can make a screenshot tomorrow for better visualisation Oh and yeah, I hope it has and LZB/AFB exit procedure? Can't say for certain tho, because I can't reach the LZB end with this loco. XD Have to fall back to PZB so I can move again. (And to avoid all this I just left LZB turned off last time, but then the events I described in my last post happened anyway.)
I tested my previous comment on the stretch between Hanau and a bit further up LZB line on Frankfurt Fulda route... havent really checked if under this weird LZB / not LZB it does require acknowledging speed reductions like proper PZB does - as you said (and I kinda reiterated) it shouldnt even go into LZB in the first place (and as the AFB thing shows, even with LZB turned off, it seems that the loco goes into proper LZB even with the switch turned off)
I posted that long comment as long edit, so you might have missed some parts, sorry... the braking to zero is cos the AFB deactivates (which sets the speed limit to zero) - you have to put throttle into off, then AFB to off, AFB to desired position and throttle back on and you should be able to take power (aka you have to reset AFB in motion)... which is complete opposite of what should happen - the AFB deactivating and the AFB reset procedure afterwards should normally be done upon EXITING LZB, not upon entering it
Aah thanks for testing yourself - just saw that longer edit - looks basically the whole logic is somewhat backwards. It does the exit procedure at the start ect. I also heard someone speculate in an LP that this might have to do with the switched up "activate cab" buttons where you activate your current cab, but the button for deactivate lights up and vice versa. One of the sub menus of the right side monitor also recognizes your current cab as deactivated while it actually is activated und running. PS: The loco actually does have an LZB route, which is Leipzig-Dresden. Unfortunately only if you have the expert timetable from the 145.
thats nice, thats actually a valid reason for me to get the 145 ... but I will hold until they fix the LZB and AFB functionalities
As I posted about the LZB problems here, I would like to confirm that now with the latest patch LZB works in the correct way now as far as I can tell. I did the same kind of service again and everything went well. What I didn't test yet is leave LZB off again and see if it activates on its own on entering the LZB section (which it shouldn't do, but did before the patch) - will test this, too later. But with LZB working this is not really such a big deal anymore now.
so I understood the patch notes well... have you also tried if LZB activates even with PZB off? ... anyway, good news, will test stuff when I get home from work edit: just reminder of "scenarios to test" for myself here (AFB on): (1) entering LZB territory with LZB off (PZB only) (2) entering LZB territory with LZB on (3) exiting LZB territory with LZB off (PZB only) (4) exiting LZB territory with LZB on will test this on Hanau - Rodenbach stretch in free roam
so, if you have LZB turned off, then everything works as under PZB... aka it doesnt turn on LZB upon entering and therefore also doesnt affect AFB (same if you spawn in LZB territory with LZB off, train doesnt get affected by exiting LZB territory) if you have LZB on, then once you enter, LZB turns on, and AFB arrow turns from yellow to red... exiting works as intended, aka you can free yourself upon getting the warning to press LZB frei... and once you exit LZB territory, AFB resets to zero... and this is where it is kinda similar to BR 101, tho slightly different - if you have throttle in any position outside OFF and you try to reset AFB lever, all you do is turn the AFB off and throttle resumes taking power, but without limitation (in 101 resetting lever does reset the AFB, but it wont take power unless you also reset the throttle lever) to truly reset AFB then, you have to get throttle to OFF and THEN reset the lever to zero and back to desired position (and throttle back to power)... so it looks like stuff works as it should right now (still liking 146.2 a bit more cos there you can keep the throttle as it is and just rock AFB lever back and forth like in ICEs) gonna check how much 145 is, I think I might get it just to get the 147 timetable for Leipzig Dresden (and to support the marvellous devs that do it) P.S.: after payday, cos it looks like my bank account is a little thin right now lol
So do people notice that the traction motors become really silent at like 140 kmh? The running sounds take over, and the motor sounds disappear it seems.
two new observations... one I am not sure if it has anything to do with 147 itself or is it an issue of dostos/game controls - sometimes it happens that I accidentally open wrong side doors, then the right ones, and so I press the key for the side I want to close, but both close for some reason (either U or Y)... if I do it manually, it behaves correctly, aka closes only one side... not much of an issue, just annoying since I am so used to those keys by now second, and here again I am not sure if it is a real bug or a visual issue... so I set up my cab at the start of service... turn on AFB, and release the train brake... AFB holds certain pressure like here while doors are open and no power is applied: but when I stop at next station, I do what I usually do - open doors, release the train brake since AFB maintains holding brake (or sth like that), but the yellow bars go down till they disappear... train doesnt move (even on inclines/descents)... tho when I apply power there is no release sound nor does the screen show brakes releasing, so it starts moving kinda faster not exactly sure why it looks and is right when starting service and then it behaves like this on next stops...
If Im correct, if you push the train brake to release/overcharge (direct brake release maybe too?), it releases the AFB holding brake. And why you still aren’t moving? That’s because the Dosto cab car applies it’s own holding brake when the doors are unlocked.
1. As for direct brake, the screen on the right tells you to release it, so I do... as for train brake, I dont hold it to overcharge it, I just put it into running state... also, in the original release version, the right screen didnt tell you to release the direct brake, after patches, it does tell you... but I tried either way and it doesnt matter, the yellow bars still disappear after you release train brake You were right on the dosto holding brake (the brake cylinder gauge shows pressure)... tho sometimes (noticed on more pronounced inclines/descents) upon releasing the train brake, even with dosto cab car brake holding, the train starts moving for a sec, so doors on the first/second dosto close, unlocking the traction lock... if you apply power in that moment, train starts moving, eventually prompting all dosto doors to close and even cab car brakes to release 2. Whats weird is that when I start the service and I do all the steps, the yellow bars are on... even when I close the doors... they stay on until I apply power... but this doesnt happen upon next stops... literally all locos hold the pressure until you apply power (101, 146.2 etc.) 3. Also, one little thing I checked in Training Center, because it is a good place to try stuff like this - I literally tried turning AFB on and off and back again while at standstill... after stopping of course... and as I turned AFB back on, the yellow bars came back... but as I then got some speed and stopped again, released train brake, yellow bars poof, gone so I assume this isnt just a visual bug, because if the yellow bars are on, it takes a little bit to release and you hear the brakes releasing, and then you move, while in this case you start moving almost instantly there are two possible answers to this - AFB is still a bit bugged (thankfully they fixed its behavior relating to LZB)... on this note, I guess having to put throttle to OFF when resetting AFB in motion is a quirk of this loco (much like BR 101 has similar procedure) or - this is a quirk/feature of this particular loco that it releases the loco brakes at standstill even under AFB edit: I noticed sth that DEFINITELY a bug (discovered this by accident) - in most locos in this game, barring maybe US diesels (that dont have AFB/cruise control), when you apply train brakes, traction lock comes on, and to release it, you have to release the brakes and reset throttle... here lets say you are moving, throttle on xy %, and you apply train brake, it applies the brakes, but the traction motors keep going if you leave the throttle on, you are just going slower and there is some resistance... but if you leave throttle on, and release the brakes, then the power gets applied as before the only situation when it doesnt let you take power aka apply throttle is when you are at standstill with doors open and train brake applied (tho as mentioned above, if you release train brakes and are on steep incline, that might get the traction lock to go away)... but if lets say you are at standstill, train brake is applied but doors are closed, guess what, if you apply throttle, of course you arent going to get moving, but traction motors still go (and you get massive wheelslip) Conclusion: as thrilled as I was to have that LZB/AFB bug fixed, I am horrified at this kind of oversight (the only loco in the game that doesnt have some kind of loco standstill brake applied when under AFB is the old 182) - that AFB is an issue, tho a lesser one out of the two... the fact that traction lock doesnt come on when you apply train brake, come on P.S.: sorry for long post over sth most ppl dont notice, but pretty much basic stuff like this shouldnt get overlooked just cos "most ppl under most circumstances wont even notice or come across any of these issues"
So doing the journey with the 147 and going to heilbronn and I get a bnrdzf 483. Why does this function probably i cant use the run up only the power %.
"Traction lock now applies correctly when braking" - will test the hell out of this today when I get back from work, also if the AFB got affected
All platforms. But as they always say, it may take up to 24 hours to be available on all platforms. I'm on steam and I got it at noon.
ok, so traction lock works as intended now... but the AFB is still not ok... even with doors closed, the AFB should hold brake pressure until power is applied, unless 147 has some weird quirk I dont know about
