West Coast Main Line: Trent Valley From All Aboard Studios

No remaster so far has changed the era of a route so won’t happen as a remaster

 

Sherman hill lol that got remaster and was free

 

Partly sarcasm, part not lol.

It was a dig at PC players who think it's ok for console players to pay the same for less content, like Frankfurt S-Bahn for example

 

Quote from the QA thread:
"Why decide to make a 100+ mile route keeping in mind the current state of the game right now? I worry it may be too ambitious given how blurry textures are still common."

This claim is being made in the QA thread, and it shows that many people don’t really understand what the game is actually suffering from which makes the entire QA thread basically pointless. And then there’s always the same question: “how quickly do we get blurry textures…”
A completely understandable question, but you can keep asking it endlessly until DTG eventually comes up with a real solution years from now.

To address the question about route length… It has no impact on blurry textures, because a 70‑mile route doesn’t use more memory than a 100‑mile route. It’s purely about AI trains that need to be loaded, not the length of the route. KWG also runs fine and is very long.

 

I wasn't referring to PC players paying more than what it costs now, just that console players should pay less if the content (not graphics) is less.

But with a competent team, issues like this shouldn't be occurring. PS5 and Series X are capable enough, and both run complex games really well, at better Fidelity and performance.

 

Wording be firing shots.

 

Can you quote the message where someone said that? All I've seen is PC players, including myself, saying that we shouldn't be seeing the PC version of the game and DLCs reduced in features just because consoles don't have the resources to handle them. On the contrary, if DTG did produce lighter versions of the core game and DLC for console, I'd expect them to be cheaper. Not only would they be losing features / quality, but console users already pay higher prices than Steam users on average since on Steam you get a decent sale every few months (don't know about Epic).

JB

 

Do you guys think that the 3rd June stream will get cancelled/postponed? ;P

 

Probably not, as they've now posted the official Q&A thread.

Plus the weather this week is cooler and unsettled here in the UK.

 

Yes I doubt it, they've also officially announced it on Discord and seem to have wisely removed the term "mystery" because I don't think their customers are currently in the mood for marketing games, considering the state of the franchise.

 

If the hardware doesn't allow for all the content to be displayed, then the complaint should be directed to whoever made this minor oversight. I'm standing at a gas station in my Kia. A BMW is filling up at the gas station next door. We pay the same price for fuel, but his car, how unfair, can go 250 km/h, while I'm lucky if I do 200 km/h! And if I pour this into the gasoline in the generator, then I won’t go anywhere at all, I’ll only hear the noise of the engine, although I can heat up the kettle... What an unfair world...

 

With regards preview with fog. I bet they do, it will help cover up any missing bits of the route.

With regards length = blur. The longer the route the more AI traffic there is likely to be and the more AI the more blur. So here is a tangental association there.

 

Surely it's only fair to watch the preview and seeing things in the flesh before making any judgements or adding speculations that are unfounded?

Sure, all routes have their faults and DTG have had a bad habit of putting out the wrong builds over the last year. But I think people should give AABS the benefit of the doubt until they see the preview in the flesh, and to give them credit, Birmingham to Crewe was decent, (yes it did suffer with blurring on Gen9 but I'm willing to overlook this given the quality and work that went into making it visually stunning, accurate and with authentic 1:1 timetable), and given that so much has been learnt in optimisation improvements (directly from the MVL & SEHS testbeds), give them a bloody chance. I'm rooting for AABS myself and really interested to see how far they come since B2C.

 

I don't think the speculation can be qualified as "unfounded", considering past experience.

 

If we were talking about Rivets previous content, then fair enough (but even they seem to have got their act together), but AAS have only released one previous route, you hardly have a back catalogue of stuff outside of that to judge them on.

This will be 108 miles long, we've seen nothing on this scale UK wise before. That's pretty immense and something to be excited for.

I'll grant the blurry textures as previously mentioned were a pain, but optimisation from MVL and SEHS as the testbeds, seems reasonably successful at the moment. AAS are also an incredibly talented bunch of lads, and if B2C was their first venture (which is incredibly good, let alone for first time Devs!), than I have faith this will be very decent too.

All the negativity does seem to be quite unnecessary at this moment in time. This is not a Rivet scenario where the back catalogue was fairly horrendous (again, historically, not currently as Riveria seems to have shown they have redeemed themselves), so to treat AAS as if they are bad content creators without even seeing their new product in the flesh is quite extreme, and unfounded.

Give the lads a chance. Watch the preview and then draw judgements from that. But I'm fairly certain with the quality from B2C and all the lessons learnt across the board since that hopefully this will be really good.

I have my fingers crossed. We should be encouraging such talent, and any criticism should be feedback based, not speculation, as it doesn't help anyone.

 

Birmingham Crewe on release kept crashing around Crewe. Missing AWS magnets. Blurring. Lack of AI.

No, I’m not giving AABS the benefit of the doubt. I gave them my money, and I fell for the promises of ‘an update is coming soon’ and it wasn’t.

 

That is completely your right, and your choice. You're completely within your rights to hold such an opinion and I'm respectful of that even if I disagree...

But if you're not going to buy this particular product, then why are you getting worked up about it if isn't even going to affect you and you're not parting any money? Let alone creating speculations. That just doesn't make any sense and is a bit bizarre to me.

 

For clarity, I wasn't referring to the content of any particular developer but rather to our experience of DTG's "let's hope they don't notice" live streams and their (lack of) Quality Assurance, which systematically allows broken and / or unfinished content ot of the door in their name. I suspect the vast majority of customers, particularly those who aren't very active on the forums or social media, have absolutely no idea which developer produced which DLC and just see DTG releasing and charging top-dollar for a succession of faulty DLC products.

 

I'm sure one thing we can agree on is DTG absolutely messing up the builds being put out... They may show the right build in the preview, but what they actually put out on sale day is another story! I have absolutely no idea how they've managed to do this time and time again over the last year.

But I know that isn't AAS, or any other developer for that matters fault and I do sympathise with them.

That is something I'm sure we can all agree on collectively as a community.

 

I would imagine performance might be better than Birmingham - Crewe. A lot of the route will be terrain as opposed to heavily built up areas with buildings etc. We shall wait and see.

 

Don't forget that the WCML is very busy with a wide range of traffic and thats also performance heavy

 

Ah so just like the Intercity network of the BR days, it works better if you avoid Birmingham

 

This isn't how the forum works. Speculate, and when you are wrong say nothing and then continue onto the next conspiracy.

Birmingham to Crewe is an excellent route as far as I am concerned and if the Trent Valley route is as good, then I will be very happy. I am sure there have been at least two updates to the Birmingham to Crewe route, if not three.

These forums are getting more and more one sided.

 

theorganist 100% - Everything you said.