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My question is what is the difference between when you made class 805 and the class 807 please and can you tell us why you wanted to make this route thank you those are my two questions I would like it to be answered please thank you

 

Yes 32.99

 

Sheesh. It doesn’t come with an all new train, just another variant of the 8xx which will no doubt sound and drive identical to the existing ones. Sorry guys, but for that price I expect an all new train we haven’t seen before included, not a rework of the existing ones. Comments from AABS and DTG on this pricing decision invited. It’s certainly not going to encourage the sceptics to consider a Day One punt.

 

This route has the potential to be one of the best. After what happened with B2C I fully expect stringent quality control across PC and console. If it does get released in a below par state, I think AABS should forget about any further projects and concentrate on how to do improve their skills

 

Well, for this price, there really should be a new train included.
And the 478 playable routes are a bit sparse for this price, especially when compared to the full 2,301 AI-controlled routes.

There’s probably also far too little freight traffic that you can drive yourself.

 

Hence my question about how the freight that runs via Northampton will be represented, also the outer suburban Class 350 services north of Wolverton. I wonder also how many of those 478 services will be short hops between MKC and Wolverton or vv on said trains which disappear off stage north of Roade to re-emerge at Rugby.

And as regards the price it may be 108 miles, but nearly 30 of that is (presumably) copy and pasted in from B2C unless AABS would like to confirm otherwise.

 

In the case of the 350 they could just have the formations set up as 4/8/12 car formations, with it being the case the unit numbers reappear? Sure, it's not the most accurate but you won't really notice the numbers when driving. And when you have the other 350 subclasses sub in, it's all fine and dandy.

IIRC for substitution to work the consist has to have the same number of cars/coaches and they have to be the same length. If they are only having one full timetable then it would be only 807 services presented, with layers unlocking the full timetable. That's my guess.

 

You're right. It's the actual question people are asking without the attempt to hide it.
It is a useless question entirely because it's a livestream. You literally see it on your screen.
If the question is "how will it run on MY machine?"
That's also useless because they can't know YOUR machine in particular.
So at best it's redundant since you will see it.
At worst, they can't predict what happens for you personally.

It may be a "concern"... but there is no way that question can be answered successfully due to the nature of how the world works.
The BEST answer they could give and be honest is "Well you can see it works here for us live.... your results may vary depending on your own personal situation."

Which while 100% accurate, doesn't answer the question they are REALLY asking which is "how will it run on MY personal machine."

 

For a route this length l expected that price, which is pretty fair to me.

 

I never attacked you. I said your question was impossible to answer the way you want it. You can WANT assurances all you want. However, the only assurance they can GIVE you is what you see on the livestream. That's literally a performance test in real time. What more could they possibly say that's tailored to you personally without knowing anything about you?

Imagine if you asked your doctor on the phone "will I get sick this month?"
How does she answer that?
No you won't? Guarantee you won't and then maybe be wrong?
Yes you will? But you probably won't.

No doctor would make a blanket assumption like that, especially if it's extended to a whole community of people like this is.
"Will SOMEONE have an issue with the route out of the thousands of people?"
Probably.
Will it be YOU?
Depends on your system.
They literally can't answer for you as an individual, which is what you really care about.
They don't know you.
They don't know your system.
Like the doctor the best they can say is "if you have a healthy system, you probably won't have an issue."

They can only correctly answer broad, universal questions like "what area does it cover? What locos will be in it?" etc.
Things that apply equally to everyone and don't depend on individual situations.

If you want to ask impossible questions, go ahead but you will be disappointed.
Be a total philosopher while you're at it and ask "why does the world exist?"

I'm sorry if you took it personally, but I'm not addressing you as a person asking a question. I made a point not to address you as an individual. I specifically said it's a bad question... not a bad person. Additionally, it's not just YOU asking it. It was criticizing a bad question that a LOT of people are asking.

If a large number of people are doing something counterproductive, you address the bad thing, not the people themselves. It's not at all personal. It's conceptual.

Again, you have a valid CONCERN...but I don't think you can be satisfied until you run it on your own system.
Even if you see it on the livestream some part of you will still ask "yeah but that's THEIR computer at the studio"... so you still won't BELIEVE it runs fine until you get it home right?

So what's the point of asking?

At best you'll get a "maybe... looks ok so far"... but you'll SEE that on the screen without having to ask a question.

At best, you might ask them to load the system up to the busiest possible and "stress test" that on screen, but again it'll never be satisfactory until you know how it is working at your own home, and they can't tell you that.

It's still just a guess.

 

that’s completely different. the doctor can’t control if you’ll get sick at any given time in a month, but dtg can control their stance and work on blurry textures

 

Just ignore that guy, he just seems to like being argumentative for some reason

 

The price wouldn't bother me as much if the route would actually run okay on console. I know the route isn't out yet but given AABS's poor track record of releases for console one could make an educated guess that the route will look dreadful on console. I understand the pricing as it is such a long route but when roblox has better textures than the route I think that's when AABS need to get their priorities straight. Happy to be proven wrong about the route being blurry though!

 

I will hold off on release day no doubt there will be issues on release i will wait for feedback before i decide on it

 

Small question.. is there also a layer for the 805 addon?

 

It says it does

 

Cool!!

 

Does the timetable match up with any of the dozen+ WCMLS timetables?

 

No Northampton loop?

 

the route is already 108 miles long and northampton has lots of freight tracks. it’d be too big an ask for anything more than what we’ve already got

 

For the length I’m comfortable with the price, what I’m not comfortable with is what happened with B2C and the cuts made after release and multiple issues and false promises made by DTG over the previous months Yes they are promising to bring them back, but how many broken promises have we heard from DTG over the years?

I’ll be purchasing this but it won’t be day 1 and it won’t be at full price. It will be in a few months after it’s been patched and with a big discount. Sorry AABS but the actions of DTG over the last few months has erased any trust I have with anything that is linked to them.

 

I'll probably buy at 20% off

 

I think this route is going to be awesome!

 

This whole repurposed rolling stock thing is one of the reasons I've been turned off by TSW (like the DB Dostos with the low doors. Always the same ones!).
Also, I still don't understand why I have to have an entire route on my SSD to use a particular train type.
Doesn't it ever occur to DTG that some users are more interested in rolling stock than routes (perhaps to be used simply in the Training Center).
It seems incredible.

 

Quite a bit of freight and passenger goes that way. I called out rivet for not including Falkirk Grahamston also back in the day. If it was a branch line fair enough but its a part of many scheduled services from one end to another. I used to commute on it regularly an remmeber how much went via the loop.

 

This route is a no buy from me. Im sorry but the issues that have plagued Birmingham-Crewe (a route I also didn’t purchase) has left a sour taste in my mouth and I don't wanna spend nearly $50 (which would get me a triple a game) on a route where I may have to deal with blurry textures and potential performance issues even if it’s not AABS's fault. I have no doubt the route will be pretty though

 

A bit pricey for not including a new train and recycling part of the route, imo.

Idk, it looks good for what it is, but another route featuring the Class 350, a unit that seems plagued with performance issues makes me nervous. I'm gonna have to wait to see how the initial player reviews come in.

Haven't bought anything for TSW in a couple of months, and it gets less tempting every day tbh.

 

There's one thing I've wondered. What is the obsession with the West Coast Main Line? My understanding is that it is a major rail line in the UK but I never would've imagined we would get several sections of one railway line. I think that's cool

Meanwhile we have one boring section of the East Coast Mainline. I guess the West Coast of the UK is more popular than the East Coast

 

Another $50 route ( when you add sales tax ) crossing my red line. And no completely new train (s) and also missing the freight loop.

At that price, no thanks. We should expect some new content. The extra mileage is fine but less important than new rolling stock.

And I imagine some players, especially console owners, are quivering with fear about performance when they see all those layers and think about past experiences.

 

Not to mention, the 30 odd miles recycled from B2C between Crewe and Stafford undoubtedly offset the length and 3D structures to build and I assume (though happy to be proved wrong) they have used the existing bits at MKC with DTG permission.

It's not just a freight loop, all the outer suburban services running north of MKC go that way. Also used for diversions if the route via Weedon is blocked for some reason. Also if, as the diagram indicates, they've included the Daventry freight terminal that's well on the way to Long Buckby and a quarter of the distance to Northampton, by the time it reaches the takeout and spawning portals.

And yes, the Class 8xx and Class 350 are rapidly becoming more over used than the Electrostars back in the earlier TSW days (and at least the E/stars give a bit of traction sound, unlike the Hitachi monstrosities).

 

The continuous recycling of rolling stock (which will also happen with ICE 3 in the upcoming German Ingolstadt addon) can mean two things:
one is that the current TSW will be developed until 2040, and the other is that they are holding something back for something else.

 

Since we already have the highest prices for TSW DLCs in Switzerland, this one will probably cost around 60 Swiss francs – if that’s even enough.
For that price, I could buy the brand-new 007 First Light.

And I've been really fed up with this constant recycling of trains for ages, but they're still carrying on with it.

 

Great game 007 is by the way!

 

Actually the last 3 DLCs have been moved to the updated Steam Pricing which has been roughly the same as the Playstation price. This is much closer to the actual exchange rate. So I would assume this will be as well. It's about time.

They should update the old DLC as well. Maybe that'll get done when TSW 7 comes out and they have to relist all the DLC again.

Makes no difference to me. Not sure why people are prepared to throw money at All Aboard after their last releases for what looks like a long but fairly boring route with slightly modified versions of existing trains.

 

I second that its awsome game.

 

Would buy it on day one if it was set in an older era. Bored of all those modern trains that gives exactly the same feeling when in cab.

 

When they run out of West Coast, they'll start East Coast. It just makes sense to complete one area then move to another.

 

That makes sense

 

When I see the richness of the additional layers and the composition of the fleet, I think that on the PS5 Pro I can be calm and not get excited about buying this map, because it will blur just like Birmingham Crewe or now that pack with Evero on WCML

 

As I said in another thread, this route could have been a cracker set in the late 70’s or early 80’s, adding maybe a Class 81 to 85 roarer and a 304 or 310 EMU.

 

im not disagreeing but has there ever been a case where this isn’t the case? Modern railway operations and rolling stock is far less interesting then days gone ino

 

I honestly don't think that's what they're doing Since it's pretty much all 3Ps these days who apparently don't talk to each other much, there isn't a coordinated plan. Routes are going to be all over the place.