Upcoming Release West Coast Main Line Trent Valley: Milton Keynes - Crewe. Coming 9th June!

Nothing new here. Similar trains. Similar route = No purchase.

 

I agree up to the no purchase bit, because it's a no purchase right now for me, but I'm not ruling it out. It has to offer more in terms of being a standalone DLC. I feel this is a part of the benefit of layering and reuseing or building upon existing content not talked about that much. If DLC is so similar, it can't just offer simple layering benefits, it should extend and increase the usability of the overall catalogue of DLC. This includes avoiding multiple timetables separating DLC on routes as well as, possibly in this case, ending up with a disjointed experience hopping from one route to another at the same station and same (or very similar) era or year of timetable.

I wonder what Just Trains are planning for Preston which is featured in all of their routes bar one??

 

Sounds like modern railroading across the UK.

 

Hopefully they'll have that fore the Core route of TSW7 potentially a class 730?

I'm kinda down with WCML after that though, but i really want this final piece just at the moment

 

That's fair enough, i'd wait for people's reviews and make your own decision lol

 

I live in Northamptonshire and trainspot on this section alot and trust me it' may be called a loop but it's very busy on any weekday with passenger and freight traffic, pity it's left out ,maybe too much extra delevopment time

 

Bashing Hoovers between Cov and Brum. Bang on my era.
#MistyEyes

 

My question is will the 350/4 and 807 get added to WCML south and B2C

 

the 807 will be layering, i’m not sure about the 350/4 but i would think so. bear in mind however that the 807 will only be laying onto the evero timetables

 

Thats because its part of the WCML. So yeah its gonna look the same as the other two iterations of it.
New is 350/4 Sounds and the 807.
I suspect this will also have Timetable services added to it (or already in it for the fourthcoming Freightliner Class 70 that AAB are doing). I think these will also be back ported for the recent 805 timetable for Birmingham - Crewe. So supect these will also be available for the milton Keynes / Crewe route when the 70 becomes avaialable hopedully hauling intermodals as well. We will see though.

Incidentally the MLA's are these type....
Note it does not mean we are getting Network Rail, GBRF/LUL, Wascosa or EWS / DB branded wagons. But would be interesting to see what brands they have.

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Personally I would love to see these type added nto the game as they are badly needed JPA Cement tanks.

Regards

Hentis

 

Personally I don't consider the 807 a new train, it's just a rework of the existing Hitachi AT300 classes we already have in game. I haven't got to that part of the stream yet but assume it will drive and sound same as the rest. And while the new Class 350 sounds came over quite well on the stream, I really don't think either or both of those quite justify the £33 price tag. It should have come in at £30 or at least given the 10% prerelease purchase discount.

 

Each to their own I guess.

Just played the 37 light engine move from Nuneaton to Crewe and that took 1 hour and ten minutes, On the PS5..... NO Blurry textures.
Only driven the Nuneaton to Crewe section although there was some framerate drops to about 25 fps, as I was scrolling around the place with the camera. Will do some more testing over the next couple of days. I didnt suffer any blurry textures through all this mind.

Tony

 

Some people treat every new sub-model as a whole new thing. Others insist they're not "really" different.
Some people like busy urban. Some like quiet rural.
Some are saying they like AAB building a "network of connected routes", others say they hate when companies do that and want "wider, unconnected variety."
All I'm getting from a lot of this is that you won't make everyone happy no matter what you do =-)

 

You’ll go some way to making them happy if you make a route that doesn’t have blurry textures and works!

 

That it exists… The longest UK route and without blurry textures… I feel like I’m living in a dream… Hopefully the alarm clock doesn’t go off anytime soon… best of both worlds! Well done AABS!

 

I think the answer to this will only be found after a few days with the user ........ I have already experienced that it was reported that the textures were not blurred and in the end it was a little different ...... and time, traffic density, etc. will definitely play a role ...... I personally do not expect a sudden jump to textures without blurring from AABS, they do not have a good reputation with me yet ...... but I would like to be wrong, however I probably will not be in the first line to buy this product

 

Did you watch the preview stream last night?! They do a whole run on the XBOX ONE X and there was zero blurry textures

 

I haven't looked yet, but I have a PS5 Pro and I know very well that there are differences in TSW behavior on Xbox and PS5, but I don't want to be negative, I'm just stating what I see on my console and there's no chart about TSW ...... we all know that

And I've already mentioned how they've optimized Evero, the external textures are practically half-blurred in the cabin window area in the base and the PC user is reporting it too ..... Birmingham is still blurry even in the basic version, so my optimism has no basis for now ...... but that was just on the sidelines of this topic ....... we'll see next week ......

 

I’m not massively bothered about the omission of Northampton - because those lnwr services carry on to Birmingham new street - so people would still have felt short changed by curtailing the journey at Rugby - I think AABS went the extra mile by putting in DIRFT (all these acronyms!) and by having Crewe Basford Hall in already - does feel like a meaningful freight run (by the way - does any freight go via Weedon?)

 

And as has been reported elsewhere, they did an early run without much AI traffic. The AI traffic is part of the reason for the blurry textures I’m led to believe.

 

Correct but they did not used the reduced timetable! But be honest when was the last time they showed an Xbox run, or any console at all, in the livestream? They really wouldn’t have done that if it wasn’t stable.

 

I'm watching it now (Stream), and I'm almost halfway through the route and we met two trains, it only goes from Stafford, so not the whole section, and with an optimized Pendolino.....I don't want to spoil the optimism of others, but that doesn't say much about the texture blurring for me

what might work would be the reduced Timetable, and it's just not there... although I say it's not because of the console primarily... but

 

I agree, but in my opinion and especially in my experience it will be blurry (I really spend dozens of hours testing and there aren't many maps where it doesn't blur and it usually requires a certain layer configuration, full load usually brings blurring), if they showed 350 in action and it was ok there, I would be more optimistic ......... however, one service taken out of context really doesn't have much informative value, unfortunately

 

I find what you write quite interesting, but I think it’s remarkable that you haven’t seen a single minute of footage… I’d say take a moment instead of listing all kinds of theories.

It has become a major trend to put little effort into the real story and rely on newspaper headlines and one‑liners, but actually diving into the subject matter is something people hardly do anymore. They call it ‘quick news gathering’ nowadays.

 

I don't know what theories you're talking about, but that's not important, what's more important is how it works for users next week.

I was interested in one idea in stream from Matt, that the PS5 actually uses the full 16GB of memory compared to the Xbox X, which only uses 10GB, so if I understand it, it will run even better on the PS5 .....

 

Yeah the PS5 is way more powerful then a Xbox and thats very clear when you looking in to the reports they are made here on the forums that the Xbox is more suffering from the reduced amount of RAM

 

I mean you’re doing the same thing.

You can’t say the route won’t have blurry textures because we haven’t had any footage of a typical run along the line, only a quiet early run in which they avoided the busy termini.

As I said elsewhere, streaming on a console is indeed something refreshing, but then I’m not sure there should be fanfare about them previewing on hardware that is much closer to reality for a majority of the user base.

 

I admit that I didn't follow this question, I'm still confused about the blurring of textures on PS5 Pro

What surprised me is the latest update of Birmingham and Evero 805 ....... because even after testing only the base map + Pendolino + Voyager 220, the texture blurring on the front of the train on class 350/2 occurred on the Wolverhampton Birmingham section and then I was struck by the reduced quality of the exterior on 805, in the area of the cabin window, the black oval triangle is completely out of focus and it's worse than it was on release, that's just a side note
and that is the reason for my pessimism so far, and I didn't really read that from the newspaper, that is a statement of my own experience

but it is possible that it will be implemented in a completely different way in this new map

 

Hopefully the 350/4 is better optimised & if so that we can have the option to have a permanent substitution of all other 350’s.

I find that the current AAS 350’s are basically a guaranteed blur fest. You can run 0 layers other than the 350 on B2C and you’ll get blurring, but at the other end of spectrum you disable the AAS 350 layers & leave everything else on, the route is fine. Even the DTG 350 doesn’t cause issues.

Whatever is wrong with B2C is almost certainly within the AAS 350’s IMO. Sure you could say it’s just the service pattern & counts that are the problem, but more so than literally other layer on the route & all their services? Surely not.

 

I came to a similar conclusion right at the beginning of the Birmingham - Crewe edition and the problem persists ....... but even in this new map the entire spectrum of class 350 will appear, unless we are talking about the presented reduced timetable, where there will only be 350/4 + Pendolino + Evero's

and then that weird texture on the 805

 

Id imagine they’ve designed the layers similar to B2C so you could just disable the /2 & /3 layers, but that would disable a huge bulk of the 350 services.

For the 805 it seems that got borked in the last update so I wonder if any problems on that at the moment are solved, in any case disabling that layer wouldn’t harm the traffic too much.

 

So, cut and paste, we only have the Pendolino in service.

 

Hah yes, but then IRL it’s still the one running the bulk of things.

The way AWC is implemented into TSW is really unfortunate, it’s essentially all additional DLC you need to layer into routes, despite it being the back bone of the WCML.

 

And on which Xbox did you demonstrate that?
On a standard Xbox like the ones users have at home, or did DTG demonstrate it on their Dev Kit Xbox?

Because there are significant differences to bear in mind.

 

they did last year for frankfurt s bahn, and that’s because it has a bare bones timetable

 

is there any particular reason why the service picked on xbox was at 7 in the morning, when there’s less ai traffic? why not 9 or 10 o’clock?

 

Thanks jan thats good to know.

 

thanks for the reply, but on the xbox stream crewe was not featured

 

fair enough, i hadn’t considered that. could i suggest that console sections of future preview streams feature a service during busier times as well?

 

Hi Jan, just to be pedantic here but starting the stream with Good Night is like saying Goodbye in English!
Try Good Evening next time

 

Players: Please do a console service
DTG: Does a service on Xbox.
Players: It's not a REAL Xbox
DTG: Yes, it's a real Xbox.
Players: Yeah, but you didn't show EVERY possible service, so how do we know it works on EVERY service?

Now it's just getting ridiculous.
They did the live stream, on an off the shelf XBox with the actual game.

I guess if you don't trust DTG just out of principle, you just wait for the reviewers on Youtube to play some and then you can trust THEM instead?

 

One of my concerns is, on my PS5. I decide to wait for the reviews, it does ok overall. So I decide to chuck £32.99 at it.

Several months down the line there's issues that are impacting it due to other bugs or DLCs and so DTG or AABS decide to slim down the services or remove AI, leaving a barren route with very minimal interest.

What's to stop that happening again?

 

Not quite. Players are quite rightly asking the question, why did you do an early service with next to no AI traffic? The suspected reason is because the more AI traffic you have the more blurry it will be.

I don’t believe anyone is asking for every service. That would as you suggest be ridiculous. What people are asking for is a fair and accurate preview run and this doesn’t seem to have been it. It feels like something was being hidden.

Still, come Tuesday people can vote with their wallets on whether this has done enough or not to make them want to buy it!