I personally wouldn't say it's bad, it is however quite dated and some parts are weirdly inaccurate. If you enjoy frequent stopper services, I'd say it's pretty good. A lot of love was put into the "new" timetable so it's a got a nice amount of traffic too. If you do get it and you're on PC, I'd highly recommend itsya165's 1972 Stock audio mod as well as tyler58546s Automatic Announcements mod.
Who says it's bad? I think it's quite good. My biggest issue with it is that you can 't see the signs properly in the tunnels, so hudless driving is pretty much impossible.
Wait do LIRR and Harlem Line not count? I don't have either, but I thought they were metro. What about Suffragette Line?
It's alright. Now it has a decent timetable! Driving above ground looks fairly decent and the subsurface stations are well modeled. Travelling through the tunnels doesn't represent the London underground at all but if you don't know the London underground, I doubt you will notice.
They aren't really metro in the same way Bakerloo Line is. Neither of them have too much underground running. Bakerloo Line on the other hand is underground for the whole half of the route.
Probably a terminology difference. Metro in the UK is rarely used as a collective or descriptive term, and certainly you'd be hard pressed to find anyone here calling London Underground "metro" aside from foreign tourists - the local colloquialism would be the "tube". However, there are multiple entities in the UK with "Metro" in or as their brand, or the service they run has metro in its title, eg. West Yorkshire Metro (a PTE), Tyne & Wear Metro (a service)
As a route I quite like Bakerloo and it does convey the atmosphere of the tube quite well. What I don't like, and never addressed not even with TSW5, is that the AP generated by the all stations run from E&C to Harrow artificially inflates your route and train levels so Bakerloo and the 1972 stock constantly show as your "favourite" when that's patently not the case.
My own personal opinion is it's a very good route and the modelling of the 1972 TS is one my favourite in the entire game. The whole train exterior and interior wise is very nice. The only minor fault is that the short part of the WCML it runs on is very bare with pretty much no AI (apart from the occasional container train). And this is due to no appropriate rolling stock being available to use at the time. Matt dropped a hint there were some minor updates coming up for the WCML so hopefully that might include implementing the 390s and 350s as AI? Overall though it's a nice little route, nicely modelled and with a really nice piece of rolling stock. It holds up well for being the first TSW2 route too.
The term ‘metro’ originates from the world’s first underground railway, which today is the Metropolitan Line of the London Underground. I could have said ‘tube’ style route, but no one outside of the UK really uses this term.
As Dino said, these are more commuter type routes, with the Goblin Line particularly being a service run by national rail. A metro is usually a mostly underground railway with very frequent stops and minimal headways between trains e.g every 5 minutes or less. In TSW the only route we have which fits into this category is the Bakerloo Line, and real life examples from every countries would be the New York Subway, not LIRR or the Harlem Line, Paris Metro, Moscow Metro, etc.
I’m not playing the Bakerloo Line today or Thursday as I’m on strike. I want a shorter playing week. And a pay rise. Passengers can catch a bus, or do their bit for the planet by cycling or walking.
Since the new timetable its worth definetly a purchais. I installed sound mods for the 1972ts and have my own speed charts for no Hud driving. Always enjoy the route this way
When you ride a tube you’d never think the speeds were as low as they are. The sounds, smell and motion are etched into my soul from using them as a kid.
It was this route that first introduced me to TSW and the one I’ve played most over the years. Definitely worth getting if you like short stopper services. Looks good for TSW2 standards too.
It was diabolical when it first released in 2020. New timetable has made it a bit better, but there are still parts of it that are very wrong.
I’m guessing with speeds around the 20-25mph mark you really don’t need to brake until you’re at or can see the platform. I’ve still to perfect my technique.
Even the revised timetable with properly rounded up times is nigh on impossible - maybe real Tube drivers really do drive by the seat of their pants whereas I take a more steady approach to it, particularly with the ever changing speed restrictions where it’s pretty much impossible to accelerate before you need to slow down again. Still, it’s a nice route - the only reason I don’t play it too much is the disproportionate AP. 22k for a 40 minute run from E&C to H&W versus probably 6K for the 100 minute grind end to run on Clinchfield or Sandpatch. You can ignore Bakerloo for 6 months but it still shows as your “Favourite” Route and train in your profile!
i agree. the amount of platform clipping, the 72 sounds, the awful recreation of piccadilly circus just to name a few. could really do with some tlc but i think it’s highly unlikely
Given it’s now a vintage route in DTG’s eyes and the amount of light baking that would be needed for a substantial rejig, I would say any chance is south of impossible.
That’s not a good reason not to play it. The route that comes up as the favourite can just be ignored as it’s meaningless. Play what you enjoy playing and forget about what comes up in your profile. It’s not a stats simulator, enjoy the trains.
Good route this. But I’d love to see it get a remaster. It’s a shame this is the only true underground route we have. I really wish we could get more of these type of routes.
It's pretty tired and dated now. Plus there's a few inaccuracies that if you've used the line enough, stand out. The section above ground from Queen's Park to Harrow and Wealdstone is especially bad, especially since WCML South came out. Scenery is poor and there's no AI traffic at all on the WCML.
The track layout and station layout of some parts of the underground section were also simplified for the ease of development. I think Baker Street and Waterloo at least that have the tracks on the same level in game whereas they are in different levels in reality and there will be many more differences I’m sure. The tube lines are all over the shop in reality. Unless you are an underground nerd or use the lines a lot in real life it doesn’t make much difference playing it.
Deep down I know that, just my OCD! And annoyance that high time the AP equivalency was properly overhauled.
Streamed World of Subways 3 a couple of weeks ago and it really stood out how much better the sounds were in that title compared to the Bakerloo Line route we have in TSW. I’m surprised no one’s bothered to get the sounds from there and mod them into TSW. One of my all time favourite train games/sims WoS3 is. Environment and tunnel details seem more in depth than in TSW too. Wasn’t bad at all for 2014.
I think this is because, when you include the door open and door close sequence in addition to the door open time demanded by the dwell time timer, the dwell times are longer than they normally are in reality. Try pressing the door close button a few seconds before the timer finishes running down at each station. By the time the doors actually close the instruction to close doors has appeared (you quickly get used to the right point on the timer to press the button). This saves you a few seconds at every station and, because the stations are so close together, it’s enough to make keeping time noticeably easier.
I generally try and do that and on other routes (apart from the AABS ones with double despatch) and it saves a few seconds, yes. But mostly, it’s because I drive like an old woman!
That’s interesting. I’ve never played World of Subways 3 because I’d read that the physics are poor and that there are no gradients at all - which seems a pretty major flaw on a line like the Bakerloo, which in reality has significant gradients which are a key feature of the driving experience. I don’t know whether what I’ve read is correct though?
I don’t have good memories of WOS3. The sounds were the best part, they must have sampled a real C69 set to obtain them. However physics were utter carp including the train rolling backwards uphill when you released the brakes. While the stations looked good, some of the tunnel architecture looked more like that on their German routes. Last time I tried it, was hard to get up and running on Win 10 and I found the save game didn’t work. A support request to Aerosoft support elicited a polite version of fudge off, we no longer offer any support for this title (though they still sell it).
Given that it is an early TSW 2 route, it's not that bad. The above ground hardly has AI traffic on the WCML though. I picked it up in a sale for a few euros, then it can be worth it.
At the time it made sense as there wasn't anything regarding West Coast traction on the game and DTG did put in some AI traffic like freight or a Railtour. These days if you want to drive a tube train from Queens Park to Harrow & Wealdstone, just use WCML South if the player has it.
Agreed. If I use the old Bakerloo route, I usually only drive the underground bit. Above ground is so much nicer in EMK, sharing the tracks with the Aventra and with the AI scenery.
Sorry for not being clear. The line is the Circle Line, not the Bakerloo. And yes, gradients are there but the physics can be interesting, for the most part though for me it felt good enough. As you can see by Vern's opinion, that is a subjective matter. More than anything it was the unit sounds that stood out to me. If I remember correctly there was a point at which I noticed the loop, but I would honestly still prefer it over what we have on the Bakerloo. Did you ever try to launch it in compatibility mode? I'm on Windows 10 myself and had no issues opening the game and playing it, without messing around with the compatibility stuff. Didn't try saving the game though.
Was there really any point replying to a thread that's been dormant since 2024 just to make this Daily Mail style comment?
Firstly. I hadn’t noticed the thread was 2024. I’m pretty sure I know what you’re insinuating. You may well be used to making such a deriding comment without being challenged on it. Well, you picked the wrong guy.. so.. Secondly, mind your own ******g business. Thirdly. I suggest you STFU and keep out of my way and don’t make the mistake of ever trying to imply I’m stupid, again.
It's a good route. I'd recommend just hammering full throttle out of the station then full on the brakes into a station. Also, close the doors about 5 seconds before you're due to depart.
I find it more satisfying running with the 1938 stock, after Rivet finally albeit only partly buffed the sounds.
For anyone who enjoys metro Subway Sim 2 is worth a look. You get to ride underground as well as above ground and it’s quite a good simulation. Set in Germany and you get several different stock to drive, even a diesel works loco if you buy the dlc.
It seems you get very defensive when people criticise you out for making the sort of uneducated comment the Daily Mail likes to dish out to its readership about rail workers, though. Why's that? Alrighty then.
So now I am uneducated and so is any other forum member who may choose to read something you highly disapprove of? And you are somehow ‘more educated’ than I am or anyone else? Thats not really a good position to take is it? Your sneering comments show everyone just who you are. I’d prefer to read the Daily Mail than have everyone see me in the light you’ve chosen to stand under. You obviously think you’re special and it’s clear that you are but only in the ‘needs’ department. There’s a bus outside needing a window licker and you’ve got the job. Jog on!
