Wcml Preston To Crewe Discussion

I have mixed feelings after the preview. The models look really good they usually do when JT are involved but I can't help but feel that Preston to Crewe is kind of a boring section and at least for passenger services it's gonna be more of the same. I am very interested in the freight workings, like the MGR trains going from pit to power station is cool and i'm really hoping for a 56 or a 58 from JT at some point.

Driving Over Shap got a bit boring after a while so i'm hoping this route is a bit more replayable.

 

I watched most of the stream, but I didn't hear a lot of discussion about the layers. I was wondering if anybody has heard about the layers from Cargo Line 5 and Peak Forest, how many services they add. And also, if there is a deal like Kingmoor/Carlisle shunting where you have to own all the DLC to get them to work. CL5 and PF are the only layers I don't already own.

 

I can imagine you feel that way! That’s not because of JT, but because there aren’t many options left for where you want to go. It’s indeed not the most exciting route, but the quality isn’t the issue. Maybe it’s also because we’re getting a lot of WCML now, and that makes the content feel a bit repetitive. I definitely enjoy it, but I also doubt whether this will become a favorite of mine. And again, nothing against JT.

 

I think this is very different from anything we have had in the past, certainly in regard to the freight services. I do agree in relation to the class 56 though - this route was prime for it. It was mentioned on the stream that the 56 would be top of the list if they can get access to a loco etc, so hopefully we will see it added in the not too distant future.

 

It is probably the least interesting part of the WCML which is why I guess we’re getting the freight operations. I definitely feel either a Class 56 or a Class 85 might have spiced things up a bit, rather than the 86/4 even if that put the price up to £33. I know the 47/3’s are prototypically for the time period on freight and MGR but they are a bit over used at this point.

I haven’t watched the stream but note re performance and the sound “squelching” which really spoils what should be silky smooth electric sounds. I hate to say this but I’m moving back to my previous stance that this could be the first JT product I don’t buy straight away.

 

No actually, we're all on similar specs but I don't run at 4K myself and then you've got things like streamlabs also eating up performance too.

Upgrading at the moment is incredibly expensive too due to the price of components skyrocketing.

 

I haven't watched the stream. Will we see Class 47/3 and 86/4 as replacements on the Preston Carlisle route?

 

Wonder if we could get the updated class 47 sounds patched on to the Blackpool branches, Preston - Carlisle?. The new idle sound is much more pleasant. You can hear the original one from about 50 miles away!

 

Looks like a great route..... Only a couple of things I noticed which can be raised in any feedback threads which come along after release....

The 47/3 locos shown all had data panels externally and text in the cab showing max speed 95mph..... The 47/3 sub-class were always geared for freight and therefore had a top speed of 75mph.

The station announcements sound quite modern as though computerised rather than being manually spoken by a human with a mic as they would have been in 1986. The more modern electronic PA systems didn't come in till the 90s.

 

Thoroughly enjoyed watching the stream this morning - absolutely can't wait for this route! They've done such a brilliant job capturing the whole feel of the age, it just instantly transported me back to my heyday. Wigan, Warrington, Crewe all looked exactly how I remember them, even the inside of Springs Branch. Superb. The only things I'd change are to fill it with 40s and 25s and rebuild the old steam shed Oh, and shut down the engines of the line of scrappers at The Works Roll on this time next week!

 

I really enjoyed the preview last night, the Passenger services will be great but I think this route is definitely far more freight oriented, quite rightly as well in my opinion. Even today it's a fascinating area for industry.

 

I´m only 40 minutes into the stream... but my god. This might become my favourite route in the whole game. All those branches and freight operations! This will be a day one for me and I´m not even a huge fan of BR BlueI I can´t wait to explore all the branches.

The route hopping at Preston is also great value with the opportunities to head on to Omskirk, Blackpool, Morecambe or Carlisle. I really hope they update Blackpool Branches timetable to make it all come together. This is what Train Sim World should be like.

 

That’s fair, I caught your stream the other night pretty late so I didn’t hear you explaining the part about the poor performance on the route. Don’t worry though, I fully trust you’ll deliver peak performance for us all when the route launches next week. Cannot wait!

 

I really enjoyed the stream personally and I think it did credit to the route. This will be a different experience to WCMLOS for sure, but that's sort of what I want, whilst utilising the same era and rolling stock. What I always appreciate about JT is their ability to make existing stock relevant (like the 47, 20) and update them and give them a real good crack of the whip, giving us completely updated and new sub class variants. If it wasn't for JT we'd be stuck with the NTP 47 which would be incredibly outdated by name. So fair play to them.

What I also appreciate, with this and WCMLOS is that they feel populated and not one dimensional. Watching the preview last night made me realise the real diversity of stock on JTs NW focused WCML routes. From locomotives, to freight wagons, it really has that edge to it.

I will say this, I'm going to enjoy the different pace of Crewe to Preston for the passenger services (closer stopping distances, different pace of driving) and the new 86 + Mk2Ds, but what I am most looking forward to and getting out of this route personally will be the end to end freight runs which is something I am fairly certain we have not had in the game in this scale to date? (Stand to be corrected on that one). But to have the pit to power station MGRs, updated Clas 20, and the new 47/3 is going to be superb. I'm more aiming to get something out of the freight this time round, more then the passenger services. As I say don't get me wrong I will enjoy the different pace of passenger services and driving in the 86, but I know I will get a lot of satisfaction from the freight end of things this time round. It's a win win situation for both driving styles, whatever you enjoy.

Also you, slightly biased from me, but you can't really go wrong with the mid 1980s era, and the early sectorisation days of BR...

 

I hear you… I was all set to buy a new PC last year then at the last moment MS offered the 12 month Windows 10 security update extension which I was able to get for free. In the meantime, a 2Tb mechanical drive has jumped from £60 to £105 and a humble RTX 3050 rather than dropping to the @£100 level has gone up from £150 to £165. So I all likelihood a modest new gaming PC which would have cost around £1200 in November last year probably going to be £1500 at minimum. Not getting that past the wife, so stuck with the old potato for now (the PC that is, not the wife!).

Sorry for OT ramble but it is kind of relevant for developers and publishers when they consider pushing the minimum specs a little bit higher.

 

I'd have liked him to give the choppers some thrash. I was looking forward to that.

 

Day 1 purchase for me, looks excellent but I can't help but think there are no MGR services into Arpley, yes you can go from Arpley or atleast Lachford sidings to Fiddlers Ferry but how about a run down the main line to Arpley, then shunt into Lachford, then on to Fiddlers to make it a decent run.

Overall the route looks great.

 

My understanding is that it is end-to-end MGR on offer, so you'd come down the mainline from Wigan and into Walton or Arpley before shunting up to Latchford then continuing to FFPS. There is definitely stuff going in/out of Arpley

 

Excellent thanks

 

I didn't realise even the price of mechanical drives went up but that might be more for demand as SSD's are the only things people are really buying.

I wouldn't recommend building a new pc with a mechanical drive myself as they just limit performance too much for modern games.

 

There's actually 2 places you can load coal from, Parkside and Bickershaw which both allow end to end MGR runs.

 

Will the 101 and pacers do full end to end runs.

 

No they won't as there weren't any diagrams that did so in the WTT.

 

How many neutral sections does this route have.

 

Probably one for the Q&A but curious how the services that should be worked by Class 304’s will be represented? And will we still have the incorrect night train formations, in lieu of Mk3 sleeper stock and various Mk2 day coaches?

 

Do we know what limitations have been placed on either Gen 8 or the series S?
In terms of timetable, layers etc

 

Don't know if there are any limitations on Series S, but it's not being released on gen 8 consoles

 

So excited for this route definitely a day one purchase we need more of this era in tsw

 

This addon is Gen9 only and PC so there is no Gen8 version.

Train Sim World 6: West Coast Main Line Crewe - Preston will release 18th June for Xbox Series X|S, PlayStation 5, Epic Games Store, and Steam for £29.99 / €35.99 / $39.99.

 

For XSS static stock and some AI services are missing due to memory constraints.
For XSX and PS5 static stock is missing but all AI services are in.

All services that are playable on the PC are playable on consoles though.

 

Will the release of this route also correct the errors on the CL86 pack and allow us to place Creative Centre liveries on the MK1 buffet in particular? (And will these changes be back-dated to TSW5?). Thanks.

 

TSW5 will not have any update or support anymore.

 

5 neutral Sections all in total

- 4 on the core WCML
* Crewe North
* Weaver Junction
* Newton Le Willows
* Euxton Junction
- 1 on the Chat Moss section
* Newton Le WIllows

Cheers,
Tom

 

I don't know if this has been mentioned in the discussion or if it has ever been addressed in general, the Mk3 cars and I think the Mk2 cars on PS5 suffer from not-so-sharp textures, it's noticeable on the white stripe on the blue ones or the red-white-gray transition on the IC version, and now I don't think it's a texture blurring effect, which then intensifies it, but it seems to me that the texture itself or its implementation on the console is not fundamentally sharp. Two days ago, in the stream from Trent Valley, British Ace also mentioned it, that it's strange, that these cars behave strangely. Is there any chance that this can be improved at some point?
And then another question, will the 86, or rather the Mk2 cars, be substituted for the Mk3 again like on Carlisle, or will there be separate services?

 

Has there been any testing on consoles in relation to blurring of textures and possibly with what result?

 

When this route releases is that when the blackpool route update drops in.

 

When its ready and passed QA....

 

Thankyou Ben!

Where abouts is the static stock? Will there still be stock hanging around between services etc or does it make everything quite bare in comparison?

 

So what trains actually come with the route.

 

Passed QA?
Steady on, old bean

 

Class 86/4, 47/3, 20 (new and improved) and 08

 

Thanks I wasn't sure if the 20 was included or just layered in.

 

Everything at Arpley is organically there from other services rather than being static.

Basford Hall on the other hand was mainly populated by static stock due to the nature of the yard so on consoles it wouldn't be as populated.

 

To me it's understandable that static stock was left out, sure we would all like to have it but no doubt the route works better on consoles this way. The key is that we have been made aware so we can make our minds up about whether or not to buy. I appreciate the inclusion of AI services, and this is still a day one purchase for me on Series X.

I was wondering about shunting services however. If present, what layers will be required? Are there any layers that are only static, perhaps such as Peak Forest, and therefore would have no value to console owners? Thanks for any information that you might be able to provide.

 

All the static wagon sets are wagons used on AI or playable services already so there is no difference in requirements for the timetable.

 

Maybe a stupid question, but if static layers are cars that have to be loaded anyway, because they are used in AI or in gameplay services, will this still have a positive effect on performance on consoles, or rather, so that it doesn't get blurry? Thank you

 

Each formation that exists gets put into memory whether you see it or not so removing and optimising formations so they're reused helps reduce memory.

 

Is this route mainly based around freight.

 

Still a shame that the class 20 and wagons won’t layer or sub onto most routes like Tess valley (really needed), west Somerset and any with class rail tours

 

Let's get TVL upgraded first then let's think about layering in that wonderful 20.